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<div>== ArchMan Linux ==<br />
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We see such a phrase on the DeveloperWiki page:<br />
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::Building on Arch Linux or for Arch Linux. If you are producing new software which is intended for use with or on Arch Linux, you may use the trademark in a way which indicates the intent of your product. For example, if you are developing a system management tool for Arch Linux, acceptable project titles would be "System Management for Arch Linux" or "Arch Linux Based Systems Management". We would strongly discourage, and likely would consider to be problematic, a name such as ArchMan, Arch Management, ArchTools, etc. Furthermore, you may not use the Trademarks in a way which implies an endorsement where that does not exist, or which attempts to unfairly or confusingly capitalise on the goodwill or brand of the project.<br />
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We have linked these issues to a positive result by talking on the Archlinux based distributions page. Before starting our project, we reminded you that we got permission by writing to the Archlinux team and the e-mail messages containing those correspondences. Taking part in such negative thoughts makes us sad. ArchMan is being subjected to an unfair smear on that page. Best regards... [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 06:08, 25 May 2021 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&diff=600025Talk:Arch-based distributions2020-03-04T05:41:00Z<p>Tulliana: /* Archman Linux */ The subject has achieved its purpose, that's enough</p>
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<div>== Excluded projects ==<br />
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Following projects are excluded since they were found to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
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* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/rebornos/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
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If trademark misuse problems have been addressed since, please create a separate thread below.<br />
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-- [[ArchWiki:Maintenance Team]]<br />
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== <s>Read this first</s> ==<br />
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* Previous page history can be found at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history].<br />
* Sourceforge links are intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=531794].<br />
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-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:I added history link previously on top of this page for some reason, which was later moved into this note, but its not that interesting to "read first" nowadays.<br />
:Sourceforge note has been incorporated at top of article with [[Special:Diff/530253]]. Previous discussion does not give that much extra information on that.<br />
:-- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 12:23, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Trademark infringements</s> ==<br />
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I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]<br />
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]<br />
* <s>Artix Linux</s><br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* <s>SwagArch</s><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Artix Linux[https://artixlinux.org/] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. {{Unsigned|07:13, 30 September 2017|Drumal}}<br />
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::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:I have copied the list of excluded projects to separate thread. This discussion is closed. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 12:30, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Archman Linux ==<br />
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We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:That is not enough. From [https://archman.org/en/about-to-archman/]: "Archman Linux is Arch Linux? Yes Archman is Linux Arch Linux. [...]" The same claim is repeated all over your blog posts [https://archman.org/en/archman-mate-edition-2019-11-stable-release/] and homepage [https://archman.org/en/]. You should also not advertise ArchWiki as the Archman documentation platform. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 11:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::As long as we have a dialogue, it's okay. We immediately correct the phrases you mentioned. If there are other pages, we will fix them. With these phrases, we aimed to express our love and love for Arch distribution. We are not malicious. Yours truly [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:::We scanned our project site and all our forums, and changed or deleted any offensive phrases. If anything is missing, we'll fix it. Best regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::Still not enough - the subtitle on your [https://archman.org/forum/index.php?board=40.0 Turkish forums] is still a direct trademark infringement, the Turkish version of your homepage hasn't changed since my last comment here and I'm sure many other texts I did not read use similar phrases. I don't think we will ''ever'' add Archman to our list, because it's not about "fixing" issues that we explicitly point out, but primarily about your overall attitude to our trademark policy. We don't have to have a dialogue, your request has been considered and denied. Let this be my last reply to this branch of discussion. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 16:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I did not say we have to talk, I said it is more useful to have a dialogue. Can you tell me what's wrong with the forum homepage? Only our sponsor server is announced in the forum. I have also reviewed all the issues and I think there is no need to be disturbed. We deleted or changed all the things that could be a problem. We even rearranged the forum logo. The link you provided includes Turkish documentation and translations for Arch Linux and Manjaro Linux. We work as a team to support Turkey Arch and Manjaro years. It is not possible for the titles there to be a problem. You can examine them all..Obviously there are misunderstandings from language translation. I don't think we'll ever add Archman, it's really a fixed-minded approach. This last word is a biased approach. I have browsed the sites and forums of all arch based distributions, and they all have violations. Why were we the target. As base distribution, we have respect and love for Arch Linux. If there are disturbing things, we always fix them. Open source freedom software is a public service, and it wouldn't be nice for you to stop communicating with us. It does not match free software philosophy. I am not making a personal discussion with you. Why, you say this is my last word. I think we are mature people. We support Turkey Arch Linux community as a volunteer for many years. What we're talking about here is really hurtful. Best Regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 21:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::::archman.org uses cloudflare and many of the changes we made are not reflected in you. we just noticed it and cleared the cloudflare cache. The changes we made are now visible. regards {{Unsigned|06:00, 2 March 2020 (UTC)|Tulliana}}<br />
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:::::::On main website: [https://archman.org/en/]<br />
:::::::* Under "Forum" in header remove links "Arch Wiki" and "pacman usage" - this are not your "forum" and don't belong to your project;<br />
:::::::* Remove "Archman.org is also the site of Turkish support for all distributions based on Arch Linux and Arch Linux". There is https://forum.archtr.org/ for that listed on [[International communities]].<br />
:::::::* Remove "Archman Linux prepares and delivers the Arch Linux experience". It does not.<br />
:::::::On [https://archman-os.gitlab.io/archrehberi.gitlab.io/index.html] [https://gitlab.com/Archman-OS/archlinux_kullanici_kilavuzu]. Instead of contributing to Turkish translation of ArchWiki your project chose to create unofficial guides that will get out of date quick(already did), are hard to see or find for other Turkish Arch Linux users, and come from derived distribution. Please add "unofficial" to your guide titles at very least, and change header link to it on Turkish frontpage as well to reflect that.<br />
:::::::On [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/] remove "Default Arch Linux.".<br />
:::::::I remind you to read [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark policy]] at last, instead of making other people to do your homework for you. Assuming you did not know such document even existed in the first place, that is why you created your project with name specifically noted as problematic.<br />
:::::::No excuses. No accusations. No explanations of why and when. You either read and understood the policy or you choose to refuse it and remain unlisted. This page only exists to reinforce that policy as stated in the intro. We have no resources to check everything and try every ISO and check every page of every project, so sometimes intentionally or unintentionally we turn an eye to small details.<br />
:::::::-- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 16:02, 2 March 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::On main website: [https://archman.org/en/]<br />
::::::::* There is no definition called Arch-Wiki on the homepage. There are Pacman Usage and Documentations buttons. Those buttons are links to our own forum. Are you sure you checked correctly?<br />
::::::::* I am part of the archtr.org team. They are my teammates. We also support Manjaro project together with them in Turkey. Now they are working hard in their own business. No time to take care of users. There is a site (archtr.org) that no longer works there. I continue to support Turkey's Arch users on archman.org. I still fulfilled your request. I edited that text<br />
::::::::* We removed the "Archman Linux prepares and delivers the Arch Linux experience" and changed the text<br />
::::::::* We added the statement that it is an unofficial document in Turkish and English. We have added to titles or readme files "[https://archman-os.gitlab.io/archrehberi.gitlab.io/index.html] [https://gitlab.com/Archman-OS/archlinux_kullanici_kilavuzu]"<br />
::::::::* https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/ we also edited this link<br />
::::::::* I have read and understood the [[DeveloperWiki: TrademarkPolicy | Arch Linux trademark policy]]. Some things have still escaped our attention, but they are not intentional. We apologize. We did not act wrong with the name of Archman. We emailed Aaron Griffin and got permission. You can ask him.<br />
::::::::* We will continue to review our Archman linux site and forums. We will continue to find and fix things that could be violated. We never want to have problems with you. Best Regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 00:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Your lack of effort to learn few English words results in me wasting my time trying to choose words that will get correctly Google-translated. I'm not going to bother responding to this thread anymore. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 15:38, 3 March 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Sorry for translation problems. My knowledge of English is good for my country but it may be insufficient for you. If there are problems, we will take action. I think I'm giving you trouble. We do not want to be referred to as a distribution that violates you. Thanks for your understanding. [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 16:53, 3 March 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::By the way, I do not understand why you are disturbed by the Arch installation documentation on Gitlab. Adding something to them does not need to be emphasized. There are Arch Linux installation documents in every language on the internet. Your documents are not bothersome or infringing. I think I have made my best efforts on these issues. We will not violate the Arch rules. That's all I'm talking about. What is spoken here is also enough for me. We understood your problem and we explained our problem. I wish you good work. Best Regards.. [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 05:41, 4 March 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Sourceforge</s> ==<br />
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Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links].<br />
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I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.<br />
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With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?<br />
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-- [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Update to ArchLabs Linux</s> ==<br />
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This distribution is active, can we have it added to the list of active distros please.<br />
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Sources:<br />
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchLabs<br />
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https://archlabslinux.com/<br />
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[[User:Dobbie03|Dobbie03]] ([[User talk:Dobbie03|talk]]) 19:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. Thank you! -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Suggestion to add Snal Linux to this page</s> ==<br />
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Snal is an Arch based distro that started in November 2019.<br />
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https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/<br />
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[[User:Wakejagr|Wakejagr]] ([[User talk:Wakejagr|talk]]) 03:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Ninja OS has returned</s> ==<br />
version 0.12.0 release on Jan 18, 2020<br />
https://ninjaos.org<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos<br />
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[[User:GI Jack|GI Jack]] ([[User talk:GI Jack|talk]]) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. Thanks for notification. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:17, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>EndeavourOS</s> ==<br />
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Add <b>EndeavourOS</b> (a community successor to <u>Antergos</u>) <br /><br />
https://endeavouros.com/ <br /><br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EndeavourOS <br /><br />
[[User:StarterX4|StarterX4]] ([[User talk:StarterX4|talk]]) 20:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&diff=599995Talk:Arch-based distributions2020-03-03T16:53:36Z<p>Tulliana: /* Archman Linux */</p>
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<div>== Excluded projects ==<br />
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Following projects are excluded since they were found to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
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* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/rebornos/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
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If trademark misuse problems have been addressed since, please create a separate thread below.<br />
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-- [[ArchWiki:Maintenance Team]]<br />
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== <s>Read this first</s> ==<br />
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* Previous page history can be found at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history].<br />
* Sourceforge links are intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=531794].<br />
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-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:I added history link previously on top of this page for some reason, which was later moved into this note, but its not that interesting to "read first" nowadays.<br />
:Sourceforge note has been incorporated at top of article with [[Special:Diff/530253]]. Previous discussion does not give that much extra information on that.<br />
:-- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 12:23, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Trademark infringements</s> ==<br />
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I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]<br />
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]<br />
* <s>Artix Linux</s><br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* <s>SwagArch</s><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Artix Linux[https://artixlinux.org/] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. {{Unsigned|07:13, 30 September 2017|Drumal}}<br />
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::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:I have copied the list of excluded projects to separate thread. This discussion is closed. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 12:30, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Archman Linux ==<br />
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We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:That is not enough. From [https://archman.org/en/about-to-archman/]: "Archman Linux is Arch Linux? Yes Archman is Linux Arch Linux. [...]" The same claim is repeated all over your blog posts [https://archman.org/en/archman-mate-edition-2019-11-stable-release/] and homepage [https://archman.org/en/]. You should also not advertise ArchWiki as the Archman documentation platform. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 11:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::As long as we have a dialogue, it's okay. We immediately correct the phrases you mentioned. If there are other pages, we will fix them. With these phrases, we aimed to express our love and love for Arch distribution. We are not malicious. Yours truly [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:::We scanned our project site and all our forums, and changed or deleted any offensive phrases. If anything is missing, we'll fix it. Best regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::Still not enough - the subtitle on your [https://archman.org/forum/index.php?board=40.0 Turkish forums] is still a direct trademark infringement, the Turkish version of your homepage hasn't changed since my last comment here and I'm sure many other texts I did not read use similar phrases. I don't think we will ''ever'' add Archman to our list, because it's not about "fixing" issues that we explicitly point out, but primarily about your overall attitude to our trademark policy. We don't have to have a dialogue, your request has been considered and denied. Let this be my last reply to this branch of discussion. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 16:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I did not say we have to talk, I said it is more useful to have a dialogue. Can you tell me what's wrong with the forum homepage? Only our sponsor server is announced in the forum. I have also reviewed all the issues and I think there is no need to be disturbed. We deleted or changed all the things that could be a problem. We even rearranged the forum logo. The link you provided includes Turkish documentation and translations for Arch Linux and Manjaro Linux. We work as a team to support Turkey Arch and Manjaro years. It is not possible for the titles there to be a problem. You can examine them all..Obviously there are misunderstandings from language translation. I don't think we'll ever add Archman, it's really a fixed-minded approach. This last word is a biased approach. I have browsed the sites and forums of all arch based distributions, and they all have violations. Why were we the target. As base distribution, we have respect and love for Arch Linux. If there are disturbing things, we always fix them. Open source freedom software is a public service, and it wouldn't be nice for you to stop communicating with us. It does not match free software philosophy. I am not making a personal discussion with you. Why, you say this is my last word. I think we are mature people. We support Turkey Arch Linux community as a volunteer for many years. What we're talking about here is really hurtful. Best Regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 21:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::::archman.org uses cloudflare and many of the changes we made are not reflected in you. we just noticed it and cleared the cloudflare cache. The changes we made are now visible. regards {{Unsigned|06:00, 2 March 2020 (UTC)|Tulliana}}<br />
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:::::::On main website: [https://archman.org/en/]<br />
:::::::* Under "Forum" in header remove links "Arch Wiki" and "pacman usage" - this are not your "forum" and don't belong to your project;<br />
:::::::* Remove "Archman.org is also the site of Turkish support for all distributions based on Arch Linux and Arch Linux". There is https://forum.archtr.org/ for that listed on [[International communities]].<br />
:::::::* Remove "Archman Linux prepares and delivers the Arch Linux experience". It does not.<br />
:::::::On [https://archman-os.gitlab.io/archrehberi.gitlab.io/index.html] [https://gitlab.com/Archman-OS/archlinux_kullanici_kilavuzu]. Instead of contributing to Turkish translation of ArchWiki your project chose to create unofficial guides that will get out of date quick(already did), are hard to see or find for other Turkish Arch Linux users, and come from derived distribution. Please add "unofficial" to your guide titles at very least, and change header link to it on Turkish frontpage as well to reflect that.<br />
:::::::On [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/] remove "Default Arch Linux.".<br />
:::::::I remind you to read [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark policy]] at last, instead of making other people to do your homework for you. Assuming you did not know such document even existed in the first place, that is why you created your project with name specifically noted as problematic.<br />
:::::::No excuses. No accusations. No explanations of why and when. You either read and understood the policy or you choose to refuse it and remain unlisted. This page only exists to reinforce that policy as stated in the intro. We have no resources to check everything and try every ISO and check every page of every project, so sometimes intentionally or unintentionally we turn an eye to small details.<br />
:::::::-- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 16:02, 2 March 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::On main website: [https://archman.org/en/]<br />
::::::::* There is no definition called Arch-Wiki on the homepage. There are Pacman Usage and Documentations buttons. Those buttons are links to our own forum. Are you sure you checked correctly?<br />
::::::::* I am part of the archtr.org team. They are my teammates. We also support Manjaro project together with them in Turkey. Now they are working hard in their own business. No time to take care of users. There is a site (archtr.org) that no longer works there. I continue to support Turkey's Arch users on archman.org. I still fulfilled your request. I edited that text<br />
::::::::* We removed the "Archman Linux prepares and delivers the Arch Linux experience" and changed the text<br />
::::::::* We added the statement that it is an unofficial document in Turkish and English. We have added to titles or readme files "[https://archman-os.gitlab.io/archrehberi.gitlab.io/index.html] [https://gitlab.com/Archman-OS/archlinux_kullanici_kilavuzu]"<br />
::::::::* https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/ we also edited this link<br />
::::::::* I have read and understood the [[DeveloperWiki: TrademarkPolicy | Arch Linux trademark policy]]. Some things have still escaped our attention, but they are not intentional. We apologize. We did not act wrong with the name of Archman. We emailed Aaron Griffin and got permission. You can ask him.<br />
::::::::* We will continue to review our Archman linux site and forums. We will continue to find and fix things that could be violated. We never want to have problems with you. Best Regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 00:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Your lack of effort to learn few English words results in me wasting my time trying to choose words that will get correctly Google-translated. I'm not going to bother responding to this thread anymore. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 15:38, 3 March 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Sorry for translation problems. My knowledge of English is good for my country but it may be insufficient for you. If there are problems, we will take action. I think I'm giving you trouble. We do not want to be referred to as a distribution that violates you. Thanks for your understanding. [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 16:53, 3 March 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Sourceforge</s> ==<br />
<br />
Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links].<br />
<br />
I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.<br />
<br />
With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?<br />
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-- [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Update to ArchLabs Linux</s> ==<br />
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This distribution is active, can we have it added to the list of active distros please.<br />
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Sources:<br />
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchLabs<br />
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https://archlabslinux.com/<br />
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[[User:Dobbie03|Dobbie03]] ([[User talk:Dobbie03|talk]]) 19:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. Thank you! -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Suggestion to add Snal Linux to this page</s> ==<br />
<br />
Snal is an Arch based distro that started in November 2019.<br />
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https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/<br />
<br />
[[User:Wakejagr|Wakejagr]] ([[User talk:Wakejagr|talk]]) 03:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Ninja OS has returned</s> ==<br />
version 0.12.0 release on Jan 18, 2020<br />
https://ninjaos.org<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos<br />
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[[User:GI Jack|GI Jack]] ([[User talk:GI Jack|talk]]) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. Thanks for notification. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:17, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>EndeavourOS</s> ==<br />
<br />
Add <b>EndeavourOS</b> (a community successor to <u>Antergos</u>) <br /><br />
https://endeavouros.com/ <br /><br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EndeavourOS <br /><br />
[[User:StarterX4|StarterX4]] ([[User talk:StarterX4|talk]]) 20:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&diff=599907Talk:Arch-based distributions2020-03-03T00:18:13Z<p>Tulliana: /* Archman Linux */</p>
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<div>== Excluded projects ==<br />
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Following projects are excluded since they were found to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
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* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/rebornos/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
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If trademark misuse problems have been addressed since, please create a separate thread below.<br />
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-- [[ArchWiki:Maintenance Team]]<br />
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== <s>Read this first</s> ==<br />
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* Previous page history can be found at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history].<br />
* Sourceforge links are intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=531794].<br />
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-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:I added history link previously on top of this page for some reason, which was later moved into this note, but its not that interesting to "read first" nowadays.<br />
:Sourceforge note has been incorporated at top of article with [[Special:Diff/530253]]. Previous discussion does not give that much extra information on that.<br />
:-- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 12:23, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Trademark infringements</s> ==<br />
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I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]<br />
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]<br />
* <s>Artix Linux</s><br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* <s>SwagArch</s><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Artix Linux[https://artixlinux.org/] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. {{Unsigned|07:13, 30 September 2017|Drumal}}<br />
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::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:I have copied the list of excluded projects to separate thread. This discussion is closed. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 12:30, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Archman Linux ==<br />
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We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:That is not enough. From [https://archman.org/en/about-to-archman/]: "Archman Linux is Arch Linux? Yes Archman is Linux Arch Linux. [...]" The same claim is repeated all over your blog posts [https://archman.org/en/archman-mate-edition-2019-11-stable-release/] and homepage [https://archman.org/en/]. You should also not advertise ArchWiki as the Archman documentation platform. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 11:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::As long as we have a dialogue, it's okay. We immediately correct the phrases you mentioned. If there are other pages, we will fix them. With these phrases, we aimed to express our love and love for Arch distribution. We are not malicious. Yours truly [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:::We scanned our project site and all our forums, and changed or deleted any offensive phrases. If anything is missing, we'll fix it. Best regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::Still not enough - the subtitle on your [https://archman.org/forum/index.php?board=40.0 Turkish forums] is still a direct trademark infringement, the Turkish version of your homepage hasn't changed since my last comment here and I'm sure many other texts I did not read use similar phrases. I don't think we will ''ever'' add Archman to our list, because it's not about "fixing" issues that we explicitly point out, but primarily about your overall attitude to our trademark policy. We don't have to have a dialogue, your request has been considered and denied. Let this be my last reply to this branch of discussion. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 16:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I did not say we have to talk, I said it is more useful to have a dialogue. Can you tell me what's wrong with the forum homepage? Only our sponsor server is announced in the forum. I have also reviewed all the issues and I think there is no need to be disturbed. We deleted or changed all the things that could be a problem. We even rearranged the forum logo. The link you provided includes Turkish documentation and translations for Arch Linux and Manjaro Linux. We work as a team to support Turkey Arch and Manjaro years. It is not possible for the titles there to be a problem. You can examine them all..Obviously there are misunderstandings from language translation. I don't think we'll ever add Archman, it's really a fixed-minded approach. This last word is a biased approach. I have browsed the sites and forums of all arch based distributions, and they all have violations. Why were we the target. As base distribution, we have respect and love for Arch Linux. If there are disturbing things, we always fix them. Open source freedom software is a public service, and it wouldn't be nice for you to stop communicating with us. It does not match free software philosophy. I am not making a personal discussion with you. Why, you say this is my last word. I think we are mature people. We support Turkey Arch Linux community as a volunteer for many years. What we're talking about here is really hurtful. Best Regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 21:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::::archman.org uses cloudflare and many of the changes we made are not reflected in you. we just noticed it and cleared the cloudflare cache. The changes we made are now visible. regards {{Unsigned|06:00, 2 March 2020 (UTC)|Tulliana}}<br />
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:::::::On main website: [https://archman.org/en/]<br />
:::::::* Under "Forum" in header remove links "Arch Wiki" and "pacman usage" - this are not your "forum" and don't belong to your project;<br />
:::::::* Remove "Archman.org is also the site of Turkish support for all distributions based on Arch Linux and Arch Linux". There is https://forum.archtr.org/ for that listed on [[International communities]].<br />
:::::::* Remove "Archman Linux prepares and delivers the Arch Linux experience". It does not.<br />
:::::::On [https://archman-os.gitlab.io/archrehberi.gitlab.io/index.html] [https://gitlab.com/Archman-OS/archlinux_kullanici_kilavuzu]. Instead of contributing to Turkish translation of ArchWiki your project chose to create unofficial guides that will get out of date quick(already did), are hard to see or find for other Turkish Arch Linux users, and come from derived distribution. Please add "unofficial" to your guide titles at very least, and change header link to it on Turkish frontpage as well to reflect that.<br />
:::::::On [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/] remove "Default Arch Linux.".<br />
:::::::I remind you to read [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark policy]] at last, instead of making other people to do your homework for you. Assuming you did not know such document even existed in the first place, that is why you created your project with name specifically noted as problematic.<br />
:::::::No excuses. No accusations. No explanations of why and when. You either read and understood the policy or you choose to refuse it and remain unlisted. This page only exists to reinforce that policy as stated in the intro. We have no resources to check everything and try every ISO and check every page of every project, so sometimes intentionally or unintentionally we turn an eye to small details.<br />
:::::::-- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 16:02, 2 March 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::On main website: [https://archman.org/en/]<br />
::::::::* There is no definition called Arch-Wiki on the homepage. There are Pacman Usage and Documentations buttons. Those buttons are links to our own forum. Are you sure you checked correctly?<br />
::::::::* I am part of the archtr.org team. They are my teammates. We also support Manjaro project together with them in Turkey. Now they are working hard in their own business. No time to take care of users. There is a site (archtr.org) that no longer works there. I continue to support Turkey's Arch users on archman.org. I still fulfilled your request. I edited that text<br />
::::::::* We removed the "Archman Linux prepares and delivers the Arch Linux experience" and changed the text<br />
::::::::* We added the statement that it is an unofficial document in Turkish and English. We have added to titles or readme files "[https://archman-os.gitlab.io/archrehberi.gitlab.io/index.html] [https://gitlab.com/Archman-OS/archlinux_kullanici_kilavuzu]"<br />
::::::::* https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/ we also edited this link<br />
::::::::* I have read and understood the [[DeveloperWiki: TrademarkPolicy | Arch Linux trademark policy]]. Some things have still escaped our attention, but they are not intentional. We apologize. We did not act wrong with the name of Archman. We emailed Aaron Griffin and got permission. You can ask him.<br />
::::::::* We will continue to review our Archman linux site and forums. We will continue to find and fix things that could be violated. We never want to have problems with you. Best Regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 00:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Sourceforge</s> ==<br />
<br />
Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links].<br />
<br />
I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.<br />
<br />
With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?<br />
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-- [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Update to ArchLabs Linux</s> ==<br />
<br />
This distribution is active, can we have it added to the list of active distros please.<br />
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Sources:<br />
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchLabs<br />
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https://archlabslinux.com/<br />
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[[User:Dobbie03|Dobbie03]] ([[User talk:Dobbie03|talk]]) 19:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. Thank you! -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Suggestion to add Snal Linux to this page</s> ==<br />
<br />
Snal is an Arch based distro that started in November 2019.<br />
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https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/<br />
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[[User:Wakejagr|Wakejagr]] ([[User talk:Wakejagr|talk]]) 03:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Ninja OS has returned</s> ==<br />
version 0.12.0 release on Jan 18, 2020<br />
https://ninjaos.org<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos<br />
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[[User:GI Jack|GI Jack]] ([[User talk:GI Jack|talk]]) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. Thanks for notification. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:17, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>EndeavourOS</s> ==<br />
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Add <b>EndeavourOS</b> (a community successor to <u>Antergos</u>) <br /><br />
https://endeavouros.com/ <br /><br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EndeavourOS <br /><br />
[[User:StarterX4|StarterX4]] ([[User talk:StarterX4|talk]]) 20:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&diff=599906Talk:Arch-based distributions2020-03-03T00:17:38Z<p>Tulliana: /* Archman Linux */ sorry, signature</p>
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<div>== Excluded projects ==<br />
<br />
Following projects are excluded since they were found to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/rebornos/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
<br />
If trademark misuse problems have been addressed since, please create a separate thread below.<br />
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-- [[ArchWiki:Maintenance Team]]<br />
<br />
== <s>Read this first</s> ==<br />
<br />
* Previous page history can be found at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history].<br />
* Sourceforge links are intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=531794].<br />
<br />
-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I added history link previously on top of this page for some reason, which was later moved into this note, but its not that interesting to "read first" nowadays.<br />
:Sourceforge note has been incorporated at top of article with [[Special:Diff/530253]]. Previous discussion does not give that much extra information on that.<br />
:-- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 12:23, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Trademark infringements</s> ==<br />
<br />
I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]<br />
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]<br />
* <s>Artix Linux</s><br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* <s>SwagArch</s><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Artix Linux[https://artixlinux.org/] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. {{Unsigned|07:13, 30 September 2017|Drumal}}<br />
<br />
::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:I have copied the list of excluded projects to separate thread. This discussion is closed. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 12:30, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Archman Linux ==<br />
<br />
We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:That is not enough. From [https://archman.org/en/about-to-archman/]: "Archman Linux is Arch Linux? Yes Archman is Linux Arch Linux. [...]" The same claim is repeated all over your blog posts [https://archman.org/en/archman-mate-edition-2019-11-stable-release/] and homepage [https://archman.org/en/]. You should also not advertise ArchWiki as the Archman documentation platform. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 11:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::As long as we have a dialogue, it's okay. We immediately correct the phrases you mentioned. If there are other pages, we will fix them. With these phrases, we aimed to express our love and love for Arch distribution. We are not malicious. Yours truly [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::We scanned our project site and all our forums, and changed or deleted any offensive phrases. If anything is missing, we'll fix it. Best regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::Still not enough - the subtitle on your [https://archman.org/forum/index.php?board=40.0 Turkish forums] is still a direct trademark infringement, the Turkish version of your homepage hasn't changed since my last comment here and I'm sure many other texts I did not read use similar phrases. I don't think we will ''ever'' add Archman to our list, because it's not about "fixing" issues that we explicitly point out, but primarily about your overall attitude to our trademark policy. We don't have to have a dialogue, your request has been considered and denied. Let this be my last reply to this branch of discussion. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 16:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I did not say we have to talk, I said it is more useful to have a dialogue. Can you tell me what's wrong with the forum homepage? Only our sponsor server is announced in the forum. I have also reviewed all the issues and I think there is no need to be disturbed. We deleted or changed all the things that could be a problem. We even rearranged the forum logo. The link you provided includes Turkish documentation and translations for Arch Linux and Manjaro Linux. We work as a team to support Turkey Arch and Manjaro years. It is not possible for the titles there to be a problem. You can examine them all..Obviously there are misunderstandings from language translation. I don't think we'll ever add Archman, it's really a fixed-minded approach. This last word is a biased approach. I have browsed the sites and forums of all arch based distributions, and they all have violations. Why were we the target. As base distribution, we have respect and love for Arch Linux. If there are disturbing things, we always fix them. Open source freedom software is a public service, and it wouldn't be nice for you to stop communicating with us. It does not match free software philosophy. I am not making a personal discussion with you. Why, you say this is my last word. I think we are mature people. We support Turkey Arch Linux community as a volunteer for many years. What we're talking about here is really hurtful. Best Regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 21:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::::archman.org uses cloudflare and many of the changes we made are not reflected in you. we just noticed it and cleared the cloudflare cache. The changes we made are now visible. regards {{Unsigned|06:00, 2 March 2020 (UTC)|Tulliana}}<br />
<br />
:::::::On main website: [https://archman.org/en/]<br />
:::::::* Under "Forum" in header remove links "Arch Wiki" and "pacman usage" - this are not your "forum" and don't belong to your project;<br />
:::::::* Remove "Archman.org is also the site of Turkish support for all distributions based on Arch Linux and Arch Linux". There is https://forum.archtr.org/ for that listed on [[International communities]].<br />
:::::::* Remove "Archman Linux prepares and delivers the Arch Linux experience". It does not.<br />
:::::::On [https://archman-os.gitlab.io/archrehberi.gitlab.io/index.html] [https://gitlab.com/Archman-OS/archlinux_kullanici_kilavuzu]. Instead of contributing to Turkish translation of ArchWiki your project chose to create unofficial guides that will get out of date quick(already did), are hard to see or find for other Turkish Arch Linux users, and come from derived distribution. Please add "unofficial" to your guide titles at very least, and change header link to it on Turkish frontpage as well to reflect that.<br />
:::::::On [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/] remove "Default Arch Linux.".<br />
:::::::I remind you to read [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark policy]] at last, instead of making other people to do your homework for you. Assuming you did not know such document even existed in the first place, that is why you created your project with name specifically noted as problematic.<br />
:::::::No excuses. No accusations. No explanations of why and when. You either read and understood the policy or you choose to refuse it and remain unlisted. This page only exists to reinforce that policy as stated in the intro. We have no resources to check everything and try every ISO and check every page of every project, so sometimes intentionally or unintentionally we turn an eye to small details.<br />
:::::::-- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 16:02, 2 March 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::::::On main website: [https://archman.org/en/]<br />
::::::::* There is no definition called Arch-Wiki on the homepage. There are Pacman Usage and Documentations buttons. Those buttons are links to our own forum. Are you sure you checked correctly?<br />
::::::::* I am part of the archtr.org team. They are my teammates. We also support Manjaro project together with them in Turkey. Now they are working hard in their own business. No time to take care of users. There is a site (archtr.org) that no longer works there. I continue to support Turkey's Arch users on archman.org. I still fulfilled your request. I edited that text<br />
::::::::* We removed the "Archman Linux prepares and delivers the Arch Linux experience" and changed the text<br />
::::::::* We added the statement that it is an unofficial document in Turkish and English. We have added to titles or readme files "[https://archman-os.gitlab.io/archrehberi.gitlab.io/index.html] [https://gitlab.com/Archman-OS/archlinux_kullanici_kilavuzu]"<br />
::::::::* https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/ we also edited this link<br />
::::::::* I have read and understood the [[DeveloperWiki: TrademarkPolicy | Arch Linux trademark policy]]. Some things have still escaped our attention, but they are not intentional. We apologize. We did not act wrong with the name of Archman. We emailed Aaron Griffin and got permission. You can ask him.<br />
::::::::* We will continue to review our Archman linux site and forums. We will continue to find and fix things that could be violated. We never want to have problems with you. Best Regards <br />
[[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 00:17, 3 March 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Sourceforge</s> ==<br />
<br />
Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links].<br />
<br />
I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.<br />
<br />
With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?<br />
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-- [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Update to ArchLabs Linux</s> ==<br />
<br />
This distribution is active, can we have it added to the list of active distros please.<br />
<br />
Sources:<br />
<br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchLabs<br />
<br />
https://archlabslinux.com/<br />
<br />
[[User:Dobbie03|Dobbie03]] ([[User talk:Dobbie03|talk]]) 19:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. Thank you! -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Suggestion to add Snal Linux to this page</s> ==<br />
<br />
Snal is an Arch based distro that started in November 2019.<br />
<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/<br />
<br />
[[User:Wakejagr|Wakejagr]] ([[User talk:Wakejagr|talk]]) 03:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Ninja OS has returned</s> ==<br />
version 0.12.0 release on Jan 18, 2020<br />
https://ninjaos.org<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos<br />
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[[User:GI Jack|GI Jack]] ([[User talk:GI Jack|talk]]) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. Thanks for notification. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:17, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>EndeavourOS</s> ==<br />
<br />
Add <b>EndeavourOS</b> (a community successor to <u>Antergos</u>) <br /><br />
https://endeavouros.com/ <br /><br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EndeavourOS <br /><br />
[[User:StarterX4|StarterX4]] ([[User talk:StarterX4|talk]]) 20:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&diff=599905Talk:Arch-based distributions2020-03-03T00:16:37Z<p>Tulliana: /* Archman Linux */ Requests have been met, violations have been fixed and our reviews and corrections will continue</p>
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<div>== Excluded projects ==<br />
<br />
Following projects are excluded since they were found to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/rebornos/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
<br />
If trademark misuse problems have been addressed since, please create a separate thread below.<br />
<br />
-- [[ArchWiki:Maintenance Team]]<br />
<br />
== <s>Read this first</s> ==<br />
<br />
* Previous page history can be found at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history].<br />
* Sourceforge links are intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=531794].<br />
<br />
-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:I added history link previously on top of this page for some reason, which was later moved into this note, but its not that interesting to "read first" nowadays.<br />
:Sourceforge note has been incorporated at top of article with [[Special:Diff/530253]]. Previous discussion does not give that much extra information on that.<br />
:-- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 12:23, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Trademark infringements</s> ==<br />
<br />
I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]<br />
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]<br />
* <s>Artix Linux</s><br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* <s>SwagArch</s><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Artix Linux[https://artixlinux.org/] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. {{Unsigned|07:13, 30 September 2017|Drumal}}<br />
<br />
::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I have copied the list of excluded projects to separate thread. This discussion is closed. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 12:30, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Archman Linux ==<br />
<br />
We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:That is not enough. From [https://archman.org/en/about-to-archman/]: "Archman Linux is Arch Linux? Yes Archman is Linux Arch Linux. [...]" The same claim is repeated all over your blog posts [https://archman.org/en/archman-mate-edition-2019-11-stable-release/] and homepage [https://archman.org/en/]. You should also not advertise ArchWiki as the Archman documentation platform. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 11:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::As long as we have a dialogue, it's okay. We immediately correct the phrases you mentioned. If there are other pages, we will fix them. With these phrases, we aimed to express our love and love for Arch distribution. We are not malicious. Yours truly [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::We scanned our project site and all our forums, and changed or deleted any offensive phrases. If anything is missing, we'll fix it. Best regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::Still not enough - the subtitle on your [https://archman.org/forum/index.php?board=40.0 Turkish forums] is still a direct trademark infringement, the Turkish version of your homepage hasn't changed since my last comment here and I'm sure many other texts I did not read use similar phrases. I don't think we will ''ever'' add Archman to our list, because it's not about "fixing" issues that we explicitly point out, but primarily about your overall attitude to our trademark policy. We don't have to have a dialogue, your request has been considered and denied. Let this be my last reply to this branch of discussion. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 16:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::I did not say we have to talk, I said it is more useful to have a dialogue. Can you tell me what's wrong with the forum homepage? Only our sponsor server is announced in the forum. I have also reviewed all the issues and I think there is no need to be disturbed. We deleted or changed all the things that could be a problem. We even rearranged the forum logo. The link you provided includes Turkish documentation and translations for Arch Linux and Manjaro Linux. We work as a team to support Turkey Arch and Manjaro years. It is not possible for the titles there to be a problem. You can examine them all..Obviously there are misunderstandings from language translation. I don't think we'll ever add Archman, it's really a fixed-minded approach. This last word is a biased approach. I have browsed the sites and forums of all arch based distributions, and they all have violations. Why were we the target. As base distribution, we have respect and love for Arch Linux. If there are disturbing things, we always fix them. Open source freedom software is a public service, and it wouldn't be nice for you to stop communicating with us. It does not match free software philosophy. I am not making a personal discussion with you. Why, you say this is my last word. I think we are mature people. We support Turkey Arch Linux community as a volunteer for many years. What we're talking about here is really hurtful. Best Regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 21:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::::archman.org uses cloudflare and many of the changes we made are not reflected in you. we just noticed it and cleared the cloudflare cache. The changes we made are now visible. regards {{Unsigned|06:00, 2 March 2020 (UTC)|Tulliana}}<br />
<br />
:::::::On main website: [https://archman.org/en/]<br />
:::::::* Under "Forum" in header remove links "Arch Wiki" and "pacman usage" - this are not your "forum" and don't belong to your project;<br />
:::::::* Remove "Archman.org is also the site of Turkish support for all distributions based on Arch Linux and Arch Linux". There is https://forum.archtr.org/ for that listed on [[International communities]].<br />
:::::::* Remove "Archman Linux prepares and delivers the Arch Linux experience". It does not.<br />
:::::::On [https://archman-os.gitlab.io/archrehberi.gitlab.io/index.html] [https://gitlab.com/Archman-OS/archlinux_kullanici_kilavuzu]. Instead of contributing to Turkish translation of ArchWiki your project chose to create unofficial guides that will get out of date quick(already did), are hard to see or find for other Turkish Arch Linux users, and come from derived distribution. Please add "unofficial" to your guide titles at very least, and change header link to it on Turkish frontpage as well to reflect that.<br />
:::::::On [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/] remove "Default Arch Linux.".<br />
:::::::I remind you to read [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark policy]] at last, instead of making other people to do your homework for you. Assuming you did not know such document even existed in the first place, that is why you created your project with name specifically noted as problematic.<br />
:::::::No excuses. No accusations. No explanations of why and when. You either read and understood the policy or you choose to refuse it and remain unlisted. This page only exists to reinforce that policy as stated in the intro. We have no resources to check everything and try every ISO and check every page of every project, so sometimes intentionally or unintentionally we turn an eye to small details.<br />
:::::::-- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 16:02, 2 March 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::::::On main website: [https://archman.org/en/]<br />
::::::::* There is no definition called Arch-Wiki on the homepage. There are Pacman Usage and Documentations buttons. Those buttons are links to our own forum. Are you sure you checked correctly?<br />
::::::::* I am part of the archtr.org team. They are my teammates. We also support Manjaro project together with them in Turkey. Now they are working hard in their own business. No time to take care of users. There is a site (archtr.org) that no longer works there. I continue to support Turkey's Arch users on archman.org. I still fulfilled your request. I edited that text<br />
::::::::* We removed the "Archman Linux prepares and delivers the Arch Linux experience" and changed the text<br />
::::::::* We added the statement that it is an unofficial document in Turkish and English. We have added to titles or readme files "[https://archman-os.gitlab.io/archrehberi.gitlab.io/index.html] [https://gitlab.com/Archman-OS/archlinux_kullanici_kilavuzu]"<br />
::::::::* https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/ we also edited this link<br />
::::::::* I have read and understood the [[DeveloperWiki: TrademarkPolicy | Arch Linux trademark policy]]. Some things have still escaped our attention, but they are not intentional. We apologize. We did not act wrong with the name of Archman. We emailed Aaron Griffin and got permission. You can ask him.<br />
::::::::* We will continue to review our Archman linux site and forums. We will continue to find and fix things that could be violated. We never want to have problems with you. Best Regards<br />
<br />
== <s>Sourceforge</s> ==<br />
<br />
Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links].<br />
<br />
I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.<br />
<br />
With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?<br />
<br />
-- [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Update to ArchLabs Linux</s> ==<br />
<br />
This distribution is active, can we have it added to the list of active distros please.<br />
<br />
Sources:<br />
<br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchLabs<br />
<br />
https://archlabslinux.com/<br />
<br />
[[User:Dobbie03|Dobbie03]] ([[User talk:Dobbie03|talk]]) 19:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Done. Thank you! -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Suggestion to add Snal Linux to this page</s> ==<br />
<br />
Snal is an Arch based distro that started in November 2019.<br />
<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/<br />
<br />
[[User:Wakejagr|Wakejagr]] ([[User talk:Wakejagr|talk]]) 03:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Done. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Ninja OS has returned</s> ==<br />
version 0.12.0 release on Jan 18, 2020<br />
https://ninjaos.org<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos<br />
<br />
[[User:GI Jack|GI Jack]] ([[User talk:GI Jack|talk]]) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Done. Thanks for notification. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:17, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>EndeavourOS</s> ==<br />
<br />
Add <b>EndeavourOS</b> (a community successor to <u>Antergos</u>) <br /><br />
https://endeavouros.com/ <br /><br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EndeavourOS <br /><br />
[[User:StarterX4|StarterX4]] ([[User talk:StarterX4|talk]]) 20:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Done. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&diff=599813Talk:Arch-based distributions2020-03-02T06:00:24Z<p>Tulliana: /* Archman Linux */ we noticed that we had cache problems</p>
<hr />
<div>== Excluded projects ==<br />
<br />
Following projects are excluded since they were found to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/rebornos/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
<br />
If trademark misuse problems have been addressed since, please create a separate thread below.<br />
<br />
-- [[ArchWiki:Maintenance Team]]<br />
<br />
== <s>Read this first</s> ==<br />
<br />
* Previous page history can be found at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history].<br />
* Sourceforge links are intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=531794].<br />
<br />
-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I added history link previously on top of this page for some reason, which was later moved into this note, but its not that interesting to "read first" nowadays.<br />
:Sourceforge note has been incorporated at top of article with [[Special:Diff/530253]]. Previous discussion does not give that much extra information on that.<br />
:-- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 12:23, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Trademark infringements</s> ==<br />
<br />
I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]<br />
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]<br />
* <s>Artix Linux</s><br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* <s>SwagArch</s><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Artix Linux[https://artixlinux.org/] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. {{Unsigned|07:13, 30 September 2017|Drumal}}<br />
<br />
::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I have copied the list of excluded projects to separate thread. This discussion is closed. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 12:30, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Archman Linux ==<br />
<br />
We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:That is not enough. From [https://archman.org/en/about-to-archman/]: "Archman Linux is Arch Linux? Yes Archman is Linux Arch Linux. [...]" The same claim is repeated all over your blog posts [https://archman.org/en/archman-mate-edition-2019-11-stable-release/] and homepage [https://archman.org/en/]. You should also not advertise ArchWiki as the Archman documentation platform. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 11:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::As long as we have a dialogue, it's okay. We immediately correct the phrases you mentioned. If there are other pages, we will fix them. With these phrases, we aimed to express our love and love for Arch distribution. We are not malicious. Yours truly [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::We scanned our project site and all our forums, and changed or deleted any offensive phrases. If anything is missing, we'll fix it. Best regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::Still not enough - the subtitle on your [https://archman.org/forum/index.php?board=40.0 Turkish forums] is still a direct trademark infringement, the Turkish version of your homepage hasn't changed since my last comment here and I'm sure many other texts I did not read use similar phrases. I don't think we will ''ever'' add Archman to our list, because it's not about "fixing" issues that we explicitly point out, but primarily about your overall attitude to our trademark policy. We don't have to have a dialogue, your request has been considered and denied. Let this be my last reply to this branch of discussion. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 16:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::I did not say we have to talk, I said it is more useful to have a dialogue. Can you tell me what's wrong with the forum homepage? Only our sponsor server is announced in the forum. I have also reviewed all the issues and I think there is no need to be disturbed. We deleted or changed all the things that could be a problem. We even rearranged the forum logo. The link you provided includes Turkish documentation and translations for Arch Linux and Manjaro Linux. We work as a team to support Turkey Arch and Manjaro years. It is not possible for the titles there to be a problem. You can examine them all..Obviously there are misunderstandings from language translation. I don't think we'll ever add Archman, it's really a fixed-minded approach. This last word is a biased approach. I have browsed the sites and forums of all arch based distributions, and they all have violations. Why were we the target. As base distribution, we have respect and love for Arch Linux. If there are disturbing things, we always fix them. Open source freedom software is a public service, and it wouldn't be nice for you to stop communicating with us. It does not match free software philosophy. I am not making a personal discussion with you. Why, you say this is my last word. I think we are mature people. We support Turkey Arch Linux community as a volunteer for many years. What we're talking about here is really hurtful. Best Regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 21:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::::archman.org uses cloudflare and many of the changes we made are not reflected in you. we just noticed it and cleared the cloudflare cache. The changes we made are now visible. regards<br />
<br />
== <s>Sourceforge</s> ==<br />
<br />
Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links].<br />
<br />
I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.<br />
<br />
With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?<br />
<br />
-- [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Update to ArchLabs Linux</s> ==<br />
<br />
This distribution is active, can we have it added to the list of active distros please.<br />
<br />
Sources:<br />
<br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchLabs<br />
<br />
https://archlabslinux.com/<br />
<br />
[[User:Dobbie03|Dobbie03]] ([[User talk:Dobbie03|talk]]) 19:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Done. Thank you! -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Suggestion to add Snal Linux to this page</s> ==<br />
<br />
Snal is an Arch based distro that started in November 2019.<br />
<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/<br />
<br />
[[User:Wakejagr|Wakejagr]] ([[User talk:Wakejagr|talk]]) 03:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Done. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Ninja OS has returned</s> ==<br />
version 0.12.0 release on Jan 18, 2020<br />
https://ninjaos.org<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos<br />
<br />
[[User:GI Jack|GI Jack]] ([[User talk:GI Jack|talk]]) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Done. Thanks for notification. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:17, 29 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>EndeavourOS</s> ==<br />
<br />
Add <b>EndeavourOS</b> (a community successor to <u>Antergos</u>) <br /><br />
https://endeavouros.com/ <br /><br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EndeavourOS <br /><br />
[[User:StarterX4|StarterX4]] ([[User talk:StarterX4|talk]]) 20:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Done. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 13:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&diff=599581Talk:Arch-based distributions2020-02-29T09:31:15Z<p>Tulliana: /* Trademark infringements */ Edited on our last comment</p>
<hr />
<div>== Read this first ==<br />
<br />
* Previous page history can be found at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history].<br />
* Sourceforge links are intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=531794].<br />
<br />
-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Trademark infringements ==<br />
<br />
I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]<br />
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]<br />
* <s>Artix Linux</s><br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* <s>SwagArch</s><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Artix Linux[https://artixlinux.org/] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. {{Unsigned|07:13, 30 September 2017|Drumal}}<br />
<br />
::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::: We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::That is not enough. From [https://archman.org/en/about-to-archman/]: "Archman Linux is Arch Linux? Yes Archman is Linux Arch Linux. [...]" The same claim is repeated all over your blog posts [https://archman.org/en/archman-mate-edition-2019-11-stable-release/] and homepage [https://archman.org/en/]. You should also not advertise ArchWiki as the Archman documentation platform. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 11:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::::As long as we have a dialogue, it's okay. We immediately correct the phrases you mentioned. If there are other pages, we will fix them. With these phrases, we aimed to express our love and love for Arch distribution. We are not malicious. Yours truly [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::::We scanned our project site and all our forums, and changed or deleted any offensive phrases. If anything is missing, we'll fix it. Best regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::::::Still not enough - the subtitle on your [https://archman.org/forum/index.php?board=40.0 Turkish forums] is still a direct trademark infringement, the Turkish version of your homepage hasn't changed since my last comment here and I'm sure many other texts I did not read use similar phrases. I don't think we will ''ever'' add Archman to our list, because it's not about "fixing" issues that we explicitly point out, but primarily about your overall attitude to our trademark policy. We don't have to have a dialogue, your request has been considered and denied. Let this be my last reply to this branch of discussion. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 16:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::::::I did not say we have to talk, I said it is more useful to have a dialogue. Can you tell me what's wrong with the forum homepage? Only our sponsor server is announced in the forum. I have also reviewed all the issues and I think there is no need to be disturbed. We deleted or changed all the things that could be a problem. We even rearranged the forum logo. The link you provided includes Turkish documentation and translations for Arch Linux and Manjaro Linux. We work as a team to support Turkey Arch and Manjaro years. It is not possible for the titles there to be a problem. You can examine them all..Obviously there are misunderstandings from language translation. I don't think we'll ever add Archman, it's really a fixed-minded approach. This last word is a biased approach. I have browsed the sites and forums of all arch based distributions, and they all have violations. Why were we the target. As base distribution, we have respect and love for Arch Linux. If there are disturbing things, we always fix them. Open source freedom software is a public service, and it wouldn't be nice for you to stop communicating with us. It does not match free software philosophy. I am not making a personal discussion with you. Why, you say this is my last word. I think we are mature people. We support Turkey Arch Linux community as a volunteer for many years. What we're talking about here is really hurtful. Best Regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 21:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Sourceforge ==<br />
<br />
Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links].<br />
<br />
I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.<br />
<br />
With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?<br />
<br />
-- [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Update to ArchLabs Linux ==<br />
<br />
This distribution is active, can we have it added to the list of active distros please.<br />
<br />
Sources:<br />
<br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchLabs<br />
<br />
https://archlabslinux.com/<br />
<br />
[[User:Dobbie03|Dobbie03]] ([[User talk:Dobbie03|talk]]) 19:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Suggestion to add Snal Linux to this page ==<br />
<br />
Snal is an Arch based distro that started in November 2019.<br />
<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/<br />
<br />
[[User:Wakejagr|Wakejagr]] ([[User talk:Wakejagr|talk]]) 03:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Ninja OS has returned ==<br />
version 0.12.0 release on Jan 18, 2020<br />
https://ninjaos.org<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos<br />
<br />
[[User:GI Jack|GI Jack]] ([[User talk:GI Jack|talk]]) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== EndeavourOS ==<br />
<br />
Add <b>EndeavourOS</b> (a community successor to <u>Antergos</u>) <br /><br />
https://endeavouros.com/ <br /><br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EndeavourOS <br /><br />
[[User:StarterX4|StarterX4]] ([[User talk:StarterX4|talk]]) 20:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&diff=599516Talk:Arch-based distributions2020-02-28T21:20:56Z<p>Tulliana: /* Trademark infringements */</p>
<hr />
<div>== Read this first ==<br />
<br />
* Previous page history can be found at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history].<br />
* Sourceforge links are intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=531794].<br />
<br />
-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Trademark infringements ==<br />
<br />
I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]<br />
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]<br />
* <s>Artix Linux</s><br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* <s>SwagArch</s><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Artix Linux[https://artixlinux.org/] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. {{Unsigned|07:13, 30 September 2017|Drumal}}<br />
<br />
::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::: We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::That is not enough. From [https://archman.org/en/about-to-archman/]: "Archman Linux is Arch Linux? Yes Archman is Linux Arch Linux. [...]" The same claim is repeated all over your blog posts [https://archman.org/en/archman-mate-edition-2019-11-stable-release/] and homepage [https://archman.org/en/]. You should also not advertise ArchWiki as the Archman documentation platform. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 11:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::::As long as we have a dialogue, it's okay. We immediately correct the phrases you mentioned. If there are other pages, we will fix them. With these phrases, we aimed to express our love and love for Arch distribution. We are not malicious. Yours truly [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::::We scanned our project site and all our forums, and changed or deleted any offensive phrases. If anything is missing, we'll fix it. Best regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::::::Still not enough - the subtitle on your [https://archman.org/forum/index.php?board=40.0 Turkish forums] is still a direct trademark infringement, the Turkish version of your homepage hasn't changed since my last comment here and I'm sure many other texts I did not read use similar phrases. I don't think we will ''ever'' add Archman to our list, because it's not about "fixing" issues that we explicitly point out, but primarily about your overall attitude to our trademark policy. We don't have to have a dialogue, your request has been considered and denied. Let this be my last reply to this branch of discussion. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 16:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::::::I did not say we have to talk, I said it is more useful to have a dialogue. Can you tell me what's wrong with the forum homepage? Only our sponsor server is announced in the forum. I have also reviewed all the issues and I think there is no need to be disturbed. What exactly is the uncomfortable phrase on the page you mentioned? Obviously there are misunderstandings from language translation. I don't think we'll ever add Archman, it's really a fixed-minded approach. This last word is a biased approach. I have browsed the sites and forums of all arch based distributions, and they all have violations. Why were we the target. As base distribution, we have respect and love for Arch Linux. If there are disturbing things, we always fix them. Open source freedom software is a public service, and it wouldn't be nice for you to stop communicating with us. It does not match free software philosophy. I am not making a personal discussion with you. Why, you say this is my last word. I think we are mature people. We support Turkey Arch Linux community as a volunteer for many years. What we're talking about here is really hurtful. Best Regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 21:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Sourceforge ==<br />
<br />
Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links].<br />
<br />
I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.<br />
<br />
With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?<br />
<br />
-- [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Update to ArchLabs Linux ==<br />
<br />
This distribution is active, can we have it added to the list of active distros please.<br />
<br />
Sources:<br />
<br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchLabs<br />
<br />
https://archlabslinux.com/<br />
<br />
[[User:Dobbie03|Dobbie03]] ([[User talk:Dobbie03|talk]]) 19:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Suggestion to add Snal Linux to this page ==<br />
<br />
Snal is an Arch based distro that started in November 2019.<br />
<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/<br />
<br />
[[User:Wakejagr|Wakejagr]] ([[User talk:Wakejagr|talk]]) 03:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Ninja OS has returned ==<br />
version 0.12.0 release on Jan 18, 2020<br />
https://ninjaos.org<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos<br />
<br />
[[User:GI Jack|GI Jack]] ([[User talk:GI Jack|talk]]) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== EndeavourOS ==<br />
<br />
Add <b>EndeavourOS</b> (a community successor to <u>Antergos</u>) <br /><br />
https://endeavouros.com/ <br /><br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EndeavourOS <br /><br />
[[User:StarterX4|StarterX4]] ([[User talk:StarterX4|talk]]) 20:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&diff=599511Talk:Arch-based distributions2020-02-28T21:15:09Z<p>Tulliana: /* Trademark infringements */</p>
<hr />
<div>== Read this first ==<br />
<br />
* Previous page history can be found at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history].<br />
* Sourceforge links are intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=531794].<br />
<br />
-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Trademark infringements ==<br />
<br />
I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]<br />
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]<br />
* <s>Artix Linux</s><br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* <s>SwagArch</s><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Artix Linux[https://artixlinux.org/] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. {{Unsigned|07:13, 30 September 2017|Drumal}}<br />
<br />
::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::: We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::That is not enough. From [https://archman.org/en/about-to-archman/]: "Archman Linux is Arch Linux? Yes Archman is Linux Arch Linux. [...]" The same claim is repeated all over your blog posts [https://archman.org/en/archman-mate-edition-2019-11-stable-release/] and homepage [https://archman.org/en/]. You should also not advertise ArchWiki as the Archman documentation platform. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 11:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::::As long as we have a dialogue, it's okay. We immediately correct the phrases you mentioned. If there are other pages, we will fix them. With these phrases, we aimed to express our love and love for Arch distribution. We are not malicious. Yours truly [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::::We scanned our project site and all our forums, and changed or deleted any offensive phrases. If anything is missing, we'll fix it. Best regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::::::Still not enough - the subtitle on your [https://archman.org/forum/index.php?board=40.0 Turkish forums] is still a direct trademark infringement, the Turkish version of your homepage hasn't changed since my last comment here and I'm sure many other texts I did not read use similar phrases. I don't think we will ''ever'' add Archman to our list, because it's not about "fixing" issues that we explicitly point out, but primarily about your overall attitude to our trademark policy. We don't have to have a dialogue, your request has been considered and denied. Let this be my last reply to this branch of discussion. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 16:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::::::I did not say we have to talk, I said it is more useful to have a dialogue. Can you tell me what's wrong with the forum homepage? Only our sponsor server is announced in the forum. I have also reviewed all the issues and I think there is no need to be disturbed. What exactly is the uncomfortable phrase on the page you mentioned? Obviously there are misunderstandings from language translation. I don't think we'll ever add Archman, it's really a fixed-minded approach. This last word is a biased approach. I have browsed the sites and forums of all arch based distributions, and they all have violations. Why were we the target. As base distribution, we have respect and love for Arch Linux. If there are disturbing things, we always fix them. Open source freedom software is a public service, and it wouldn't be nice for you to stop communicating with us. It does not match free software philosophy. I am not making a personal discussion with you. Why, you say this is my last word. I think we are mature people. Best Ragards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 21:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Sourceforge ==<br />
<br />
Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links].<br />
<br />
I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.<br />
<br />
With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?<br />
<br />
-- [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Update to ArchLabs Linux ==<br />
<br />
This distribution is active, can we have it added to the list of active distros please.<br />
<br />
Sources:<br />
<br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchLabs<br />
<br />
https://archlabslinux.com/<br />
<br />
[[User:Dobbie03|Dobbie03]] ([[User talk:Dobbie03|talk]]) 19:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Suggestion to add Snal Linux to this page ==<br />
<br />
Snal is an Arch based distro that started in November 2019.<br />
<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/<br />
<br />
[[User:Wakejagr|Wakejagr]] ([[User talk:Wakejagr|talk]]) 03:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Ninja OS has returned ==<br />
version 0.12.0 release on Jan 18, 2020<br />
https://ninjaos.org<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos<br />
<br />
[[User:GI Jack|GI Jack]] ([[User talk:GI Jack|talk]]) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== EndeavourOS ==<br />
<br />
Add <b>EndeavourOS</b> (a community successor to <u>Antergos</u>) <br /><br />
https://endeavouros.com/ <br /><br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EndeavourOS <br /><br />
[[User:StarterX4|StarterX4]] ([[User talk:StarterX4|talk]]) 20:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=User:Tulliana&diff=599331User:Tulliana2020-02-27T12:14:03Z<p>Tulliana: about to tulliana</p>
<hr />
<div>Tulliana (Muhterem DEMİRAY) is the Archman Linux project manager and team leader. Arch Linux is an advanced user on linux and lives in Turkey. He previously worked in the core developer teams on Pardus (2011-2013) and Manjaro (2013-2017) projects. Archman Linux is a Arch based Linux distribution. Archman is Turkey origin a linux distribution. Archman Linux has been developed since 2017.<br />
<br />
Project links:<br />
https://archman.org<br />
https://archman.org/forum<br />
https://gitlab.com/Archman-OS</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&diff=599325Talk:Arch-based distributions2020-02-27T11:45:02Z<p>Tulliana: /* Trademark infringements */</p>
<hr />
<div>== Read this first ==<br />
<br />
* Previous page history can be found at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history].<br />
* Sourceforge links are intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=531794].<br />
<br />
-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Trademark infringements ==<br />
<br />
I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]<br />
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]<br />
* <s>Artix Linux</s><br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* <s>SwagArch</s><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Artix Linux[https://artixlinux.org/] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. {{Unsigned|07:13, 30 September 2017|Drumal}}<br />
<br />
::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::: We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:::::That is not enough. From [https://archman.org/en/about-to-archman/]: "Archman Linux is Arch Linux? Yes Archman is Linux Arch Linux. [...]" The same claim is repeated all over your blog posts [https://archman.org/en/archman-mate-edition-2019-11-stable-release/] and homepage [https://archman.org/en/]. You should also not advertise ArchWiki as the Archman documentation platform. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 11:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::::As long as we have a dialogue, it's okay. We immediately correct the phrases you mentioned. If there are other pages, we will fix them. With these phrases, we aimed to express our love and love for Arch distribution. We are not malicious. Yours truly [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::We scanned our project site and all our forums, and changed or deleted any offensive phrases. If anything is missing, we'll fix it. Best regards [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourceforge ==<br />
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Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links].<br />
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I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.<br />
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With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?<br />
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-- [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== Update to ArchLabs Linux ==<br />
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This distribution is active, can we have it added to the list of active distros please.<br />
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Sources:<br />
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchLabs<br />
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https://archlabslinux.com/<br />
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[[User:Dobbie03|Dobbie03]] ([[User talk:Dobbie03|talk]]) 19:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Suggestion to add Snal Linux to this page ==<br />
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Snal is an Arch based distro that started in November 2019.<br />
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https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/<br />
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[[User:Wakejagr|Wakejagr]] ([[User talk:Wakejagr|talk]]) 03:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Ninja OS has returned ==<br />
version 0.12.0 release on Jan 18, 2020<br />
https://ninjaos.org<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos<br />
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[[User:GI Jack|GI Jack]] ([[User talk:GI Jack|talk]]) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&diff=599209Talk:Arch-based distributions2020-02-26T11:37:28Z<p>Tulliana: /* Trademark infringements */</p>
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<div>== Read this first ==<br />
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* Previous page history can be found at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history].<br />
* Sourceforge links are intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=531794].<br />
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-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== Trademark infringements ==<br />
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I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]<br />
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]<br />
* <s>Artix Linux</s><br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* <s>SwagArch</s><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Artix Linux[https://artixlinux.org/] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. {{Unsigned|07:13, 30 September 2017|Drumal}}<br />
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::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:::: We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:::::That is not enough. From [https://archman.org/en/about-to-archman/]: "Archman Linux is Arch Linux? Yes Archman is Linux Arch Linux. [...]" The same claim is repeated all over your blog posts [https://archman.org/en/archman-mate-edition-2019-11-stable-release/] and homepage [https://archman.org/en/]. You should also not advertise ArchWiki as the Archman documentation platform. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 11:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::::As long as we have a dialogue, it's okay. We immediately correct the phrases you mentioned. If there are other pages, we will fix them. With these phrases, we aimed to express our love and love for Arch distribution. We are not malicious. Yours truly [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourceforge ==<br />
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Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links].<br />
<br />
I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.<br />
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With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?<br />
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-- [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== Update to ArchLabs Linux ==<br />
<br />
This distribution is active, can we have it added to the list of active distros please.<br />
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Sources:<br />
<br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchLabs<br />
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https://archlabslinux.com/<br />
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[[User:Dobbie03|Dobbie03]] ([[User talk:Dobbie03|talk]]) 19:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Suggestion to add Snal Linux to this page ==<br />
<br />
Snal is an Arch based distro that started in November 2019.<br />
<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/<br />
<br />
[[User:Wakejagr|Wakejagr]] ([[User talk:Wakejagr|talk]]) 03:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Ninja OS has returned ==<br />
version 0.12.0 release on Jan 18, 2020<br />
https://ninjaos.org<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos<br />
<br />
[[User:GI Jack|GI Jack]] ([[User talk:GI Jack|talk]]) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Lahwaacz&diff=599205User talk:Lahwaacz2020-02-26T11:27:43Z<p>Tulliana: /* Arch Based Distributions */ new section</p>
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== bot checking links after move ==<br />
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Hi, re [[Talk:Touchpad Synaptics#adding libinput alternative]]. [[Touchpad Synaptics]] has 100+ backlinks and the more important ones - a bit tedious task. I was just glancing over your clever github bot scripts. It would be handy to have a script after such moves: walk over the backlinks of [[Touchpad Synaptics]] and just replace "[[Touchpad Synaptics" with "[[Synaptics" from the links. That would leave all links to subsections intact. Leaving out the translations to handle manually, there would not be much to go wrong, or? --[[User:Indigo|Indigo]] ([[User talk:Indigo|talk]]) 07:36, 26 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi, thanks for the suggestion. It would be indeed handy in this case, but most likely not generally. Imagine that there was a [[UUID]] page, which was later generalized and renamed to [[Persistent block device naming]] and content about UUID is now only a section on the page. In this case using the naive replacement would likely change the meaning of many sentences, and using shorter redirects for convenience is actually encouraged. There would have to be a list of whitelisted "harmless" replacements, which could even help to replace <nowiki>[[pacman|Install]]</nowiki> with <nowiki>[[Install]]</nowiki> etc. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 08:01, 26 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, good examples, but you are thinking universal already :) I did not mean it could be that. For example, if you take the time when the bulk of the title case moves were done. With such a script one could avoid a lot of internal redirects as well. E.g. [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Special:WhatLinksHere/Beginners'_Guide]. But it's ok, just an idea. Please close this, if you think it's too singular cases with a simple enough replacement where it could be applied. --[[User:Indigo|Indigo]] ([[User talk:Indigo|talk]]) 10:02, 26 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== aur-mirror ==<br />
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Hi Lahwaacz,<br />
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It seems that [http://pkgbuild.com/git/aur-mirror.git aur-mirror] has been down for a while.<br />
I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, but if it is, could you have Lahwaacz.bot remove [[Template:Aur-mirror]] from pages? At least where they are in a [[Template:Broken package link]] like {{ic|<nowiki>{{Broken package link|{{aur-mirror|foobar}}}}</nowiki>}}.<br />
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If there is anything I can do to help, let me know.<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Lonaowna|Lonaowna]] ([[User talk:Lonaowna|talk]]) 14:56, 19 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Maybe drifting a bit offtopic... but I'm in favor to finally remove any and all packages that are not on AUR4 from the wiki. Users have had over a year time to migrate, which is a century in Arch standards. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 16:21, 19 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I agree, especially on pages like [[List of games]] (already [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=List_of_games&curid=4401&diff=454419&oldid=454356 took care of that]), and [[List of Applications]] (see [[Talk:List of applications#AUR3 packages]]). On other pages, where the non-existing packages are mentioned inline, it requires some more knowledge and effort to remove them. -- [[User:Lonaowna|Lonaowna]] ([[User talk:Lonaowna|talk]]) 16:34, 19 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hmm... For the moment I just updated the template to point to Github instead. What would be the alternative "hint" without the link? It should still be different from just "package not found". -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 18:08, 19 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::The GitHub repository is fine as well. I think we can keep that one while we (carefully) remove/update all broken links. Thanks! [[User:Lonaowna|Lonaowna]] ([[User talk:Lonaowna|talk]]) 06:52, 20 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== mkosi ==<br />
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Hi, about your [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Systemd-nspawn&diff=0&oldid=491975 revert]: You can use mkosi also to create a container/directory tree (-t directory). So it can do the same and more. -- [[User:Nudin|Nudin]] ([[User talk:Nudin|talk]]) 11:33, 1 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Alright, how is the "more" relevant to systemd-nspawn though? -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 17:30, 3 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::Hi, mkosi let's you create images (or directory trees) of various different distributions and allows you to do things like setting the root-password or installing additional packages. systemd-nspawn alows you to boot such images/directory trees. So I thought mentioning mkosi as alternative to manually creating a container with pacstrap or debootstrap would be worth it. -- [[User:Nudin|Nudin]] ([[User talk:Nudin|talk]]) 22:23, 5 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== GRUB/Tips and Tricks ==<br />
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You reverted an edit I made to the /etc/grub.d/40_custom example at [[GRUB/Tips and tricks#Password_protection_of_GRUB_menu]], and your comment for doing so has me thinking you believe I put the heredoc syntax in to show someone how to cat mulitple lines from the command line. If that was my intent, I would agree with you that my change should be reverted. That's not what I was doing.<br />
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The file contents as they are now produce an error upon running grub-mkconfig. I know because I tried this. The file ''contents'' need to include the heredoc syntax.<br />
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In other words, if the file contents are the following, grub-mkconfig produces an error:<br />
set superusers="username"<br />
password_pbkdf2 username <password><br />
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I was able to resolve this by adding the heredoc syntax, upon which everything worked. Again, the ''file contents'' need the heredoc syntax, as follows:<br />
cat << EOF<br />
set superusers="username"<br />
password_pbkdf2 username <password><br />
EOF<br />
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With that in mind, I hope you'll agree that my edit was worthwhile.<br />
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By the way, this isn't uncommon syntax for grub.d conf files. There are other examples of it, for instance section 3 of [https://askubuntu.com/questions/264247/proprietary-nvidia-drivers-with-efi-on-mac-to-prevent-overheating/613573#613573 this AskUbuntu answer] for Mac users to activate their discrete video cards.<br />
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[[User:Djmoch|Djmoch]] ([[User talk:Djmoch|talk]]) 12:13, 1 December 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Waking from suspend with USB device ==<br />
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Hi Lahwaacz, thanks for your input on this topic.<br />
Can you help me a bit further, I know the USB host controller and the USB device are different things but I thought that enabling the host controller was not necessary anymore, see [https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg53661.html].<br />
In my case all the {{ic|driver/*/power/wakeup}} are all enabled by default and the {{ic|/proc/acpi/wakeup}} as well.<br />
Anyway I have added a step in my explanations to identify the path awaiting for more clarity.<br />
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[[User:Kewl|Kewl]] ([[User talk:Kewl|talk]]) 21:57, 16 January 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi, thanks for the link, it's entirely possible that something changed since the section was written. However, in my case only the keyboard device has wakeup enabled by default: {{bc|<nowiki><br />
$ for f in /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/*/power/wakeup; do echo "$f: $(cat $f)"; done<br />
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/1-1/power/wakeup: disabled<br />
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/2-1/power/wakeup: disabled<br />
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/3-11/power/wakeup: disabled<br />
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/3-12/power/wakeup: enabled<br />
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/3-13/power/wakeup: disabled<br />
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/4-3/power/wakeup: disabled<br />
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/4-4/power/wakeup: disabled<br />
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/usb1/power/wakeup: disabled<br />
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/usb2/power/wakeup: disabled<br />
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/usb3/power/wakeup: disabled<br />
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/usb4/power/wakeup: disabled<br />
</nowiki>}}<br />
:But in practice it seems to wake up the system even without the host controllers enabled for wakeup... It might also depend on some BIOS/firmware settings but if it works by default on most systems then I think the host controller settings could be removed again.<br />
:-- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 19:14, 19 January 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== Page titles ==<br />
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Hi, i need help. I didn't find answer on my question in archwiki. Is "Title (Language)/Sub-page (Language)" correct? It is logically. But in archwiki says only: <br />
"Also note that in case of sub-pages, the language tag still goes at the end, so "Title (Language)/Sub-page" is wrong, while "Title/Sub-page (Language)" is correct." -- [[User:ArchLinuxUser|ArchLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:ArchLinuxUser|talk]]) 16:08, 21 January 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:[[Help:I18n#Page titles]] is pretty clear on that "Title/Sub-page (Language)" is correct. It seems to me that "Title (Language)/Sub-page (Language)" would be superfluous.<br />
:The "(Language)" suffix applies to the entire "Title/Sub-page" bit as a whole. It can't be that the first (Language) is different from the second (Language), so why would you put it there twice?<br />
:-- [[User:Lonaowna|Lonaowna]] ([[User talk:Lonaowna|talk]]) 16:48, 21 January 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Also see [[Help talk:Style#Slashes in titles]]. Seems like there was some discussion on this. -- [[User:Lonaowna|Lonaowna]] ([[User talk:Lonaowna|talk]]) 16:58, 21 January 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::If you use "Title/Sub-page (Language)", then you return to "Title", not to "Title (Language)". For examle, if you go to [[List of applications/Internet (Русский)]], and you want to go back through the "< List of applications", you will be taken to the English version of the page. -- [[User:ArchLinuxUser|ArchLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:ArchLinuxUser|talk]]) 17:11, 21 January 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::How about my variant? It is logically (for example, the ''Russian'' sub-page is part of ''Russian'' page. Schematically it look like this: {{ic|Title (Language)/Subpage (Language)}}). -- [[User:ArchLinuxUser|ArchLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:ArchLinuxUser|talk]]) 18:00, 21 January 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hi, the {{ic|Title (Language)/Sub-page}} and {{ic|Title (Language)/Sub-page (Language)}} formats don't work, because the English page is {{ic|Title/Sub-page}} and the interlanguage links (shown in the left navigation column of each page) lead to {{ic|Title/Sub-page (Language)}}. Unfortunately, as I mentioned in [[Help_talk:Style#Localized_subpages]], there is no way to configure the interlanguage links to have the language in the middle of the page title. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 21:11, 21 January 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::::We can do another format of Interlanguage links for sub-page. For examle,<br />
<nowiki>[[en:Title/Sub-page]]</nowiki><br />
<nowiki>[[es:Title (Español)/Sub-page]]</nowiki><br />
<nowiki>[[ru:Title (Русский)/Sub-page]]</nowiki><br />
::::See also [[CUPS (Русский)/Troubleshooting (Русский)]] and [[CUPS/Troubleshooting]]. Do i understand everything true? Must i fix this page? -- [[User:ArchLinuxUser|ArchLinuxUser]] ([[User talk:ArchLinuxUser|talk]]) 05:00, 22 January 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Well, technically the {{ic|Title (Language)/Subpage (Language)}} format + {{ic|lang:Title (Language)/Subpage}} link would work, but repeating the language does not look nice (and I think there are even some pages like {{ic|Title/Subpage/Subsubpage}}). I think the ultimate goal is to use language namespaces as discussed in [[Help_talk:I18n#Language_namespace.28s.29_in_place_of_suffixes.3F]], but it's still a long way ahead so until then let's use what we have for consistency. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 22:08, 23 January 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== Are supported local/remote destinations important for choosing a backup program? ==<br />
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You [[Special:Diff/525550|reverted]] my edit adding supported backup destinations to [[Synchronization_and_backup_programs]]. This is puzzling to me. Here are some thoughts:<br />
* if choosing any backup program, the ability to send the backup off-site vs only on a local disk is a key feature consideration. Perhaps *the* key feature: one helps me recover in case my house gets burglarized or burns down, and the other does not. This is a much more important feature consideration than, say, whether the program is written in Go or Mono (something that has a full column). I think it's hard to disagree on that.<br />
* Given this, I am very puzzled you would use the term "useless" in the revert message.<br />
* I assume you didn't like that the table got even bigger (it didn't fit into the layout even before). I don't like it either, but perhaps the revert should have said "can you put this somewhere else, not in this already-too-big table?"<br />
* On a personal note, when I provide feedback or give opinion on somebody else's work, I'd like to be constructive and kind, instead of aggressive and putting people down. Just a thought. Thanks for listening.<br />
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[[User:Jernst|Jernst]] ([[User talk:Jernst|talk]]) 17:38, 11 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:No because you can use any remote back-end with any backup application by just running one command / writing the backups to a [[FUSE]] (if available).--[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 04:39, 12 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::Hmm, by that reasoning we don't need the Arch package repository, as long as we have source code and makepkg. Or Perl, if we have bash and awk. But even then, and if all the fuse backends existed (I doubt they do), and if it were easy to set all of them up (another thing I doubt), do you indeed believe that running something written to read/write local files will be just as efficient backing up gigabytes of data to a remote repository as something that is specifically optimized for that use case? Note that backing up, say, daily, a typical hard drive via tpyical consumer broadband is still quite a bandwidth challenge in many places today. What about we add this info, and remove (or merge) some other columns to make the table smaller? {{Unsigned|18:08, 12 June 2018|Jernst}}<br />
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:::Your comparisons don't make sense. Mind the slash in my response, you do not need a FUSE implementation, a simple CLI suffices. You do not need to "set all of them up", you only need one. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:47, 12 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::::If you ever attempt to help a normal user set up a reliably-working off-site backup strategy, think of this discussion. In the meantime, this is all the time I'm going to spend on a discussion that has such repeated gems in it as "makes no sense" without explaining why you think so. Have a nice day. [[User:Jernst|Jernst]] ([[User talk:Jernst|talk]]) 18:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== Archive (Español) ==<br />
<br />
Sorry for giving you some work today. I didn't know there should be only one "Archive" for all languages. You could have warned me and I would have corrected it for you. Best regards and sorry again. --[[User:AlonsoLP|AlonsoLP]] ([[User talk:AlonsoLP|talk]]) 11:38, 15 September 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Being in the vboxsf group does not automatically give you access to mount points ==<br />
<br />
Hi -<br />
<br />
Regarding revision #565457 of the VirtualBox Wiki page. I'm aware of what upstream says and hesitated before making this change, but I tested it myself (current non-dkms VirtualBox, fairly generic Arch client with the virtualbox-host-modules-arch package installed), and it just ''does not work''. Perhaps this is because automatic mounting is currently broken? (See https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=243871 which references a couple of bug reports.)<br />
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In any case, on the Arch client, user pgoetz is in the vboxsf group. I set up a shared folder using the hypervisor GUI like this:<br />
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:Folder Path: /home/pgoetz<br />
:Folder Name: pgoetz<br />
:Mount Point: /home/share/pgoetz<br />
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:Read-only: no<br />
:Auto-mount: yes<br />
:Make Permanent: yes<br />
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VBoxManage showvminfo {VM Name}<br />
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shows the mount:<br />
<br />
:Shared folders:<br />
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:Name: 'pgoetz', Host path: '/home/pgoetz' (machine mapping), writable, auto-mount, mount-point: '/home/share/pgoetz'<br />
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but nothing is actually mounted there. Maybe this is the issue; if the folder were actually mounted there it would be write-accessible by any member of the vboxsf group<br />
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However, the only way to get the mount to happen is to either mount it manually or create an entry in /etc/fstab.<br />
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If I use this entry in /etc/fstab:<br />
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pgoetz /home/share/pgoetz vboxsf rw,noauto,x-systemd.automount 0 0<br />
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the folder is definitely '''not''' accessible by user pgoetz. In order to facilitate that, I have to use this /etc/fstab entry:<br />
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pgoetz /home/share/pgoetz vboxsf uid=1000,gid=1000,rw,noauto,x-systemd.automount 0 0<br />
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In any case, as stated currently on the VB Wiki page, it does not work, which is why I changed it, thinking that what is there will confuse people. We can leave it as is for now, and I'll test again if and when the hypervisor initiated automount starts working again.<br />
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[[User:Pgoetz|Pgoetz]] ([[User talk:Pgoetz|talk]]) 14:18, 2 February 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:There are other places which mention the {{ic|vboxsf}} group (e.g. the previous section), so I found your edit more confusing than the original state. [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 15:27, 2 February 2019 (UTC)<br />
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::Understood. I'll revisit this if and when the hypervisor automount works again. If it still doesn't work, I'll make sure I update it everywhere. Thanks. [[User:Pgoetz|Pgoetz]] ([[User talk:Pgoetz|talk]]) 16:00, 2 February 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== The pip section in [[Python package guidelines]] ==<br />
<br />
Hi, you wanted the warning about using pip or wheels restored but accidentally(?) reverted my whole set of changes. I redid them, leaving the warning in place. – [[User:Flying sheep|flying sheep]] 08:17, 8 March 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:Full revert was intentional, because the "wheel" section is not a full replacement for "pip" because there are packages which don't provide wheel files. As I said in the edit summary, there is no reason to recommend one or the other due to the warning. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 19:21, 8 March 2019 (UTC)<br />
::That still doesn’t explain why you reverted the first part, that had nothing to do with the pip/wheel section and simple improves the files.pythonhosted.org URLs. I restored that one while we’re discussing the pip/wheel section. And about that: There’s no reason to use pip for anything else, and pip is only used because some people (me included) didn’t understand that you can install most wheels by just extracting them to the correct location. So what do you think is missing from my wheels section that the former pip section had? – [[User:Flying_sheep|flying sheep]] 11:41, 11 March 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:::If you didn't notice, the page includes "guidelines" in the title. So the page should contain only common and recommended ways to do things, not everything that is possible to do. If you think that your way to install "wheels" should be followed by everybody, feel free to discuss it on the talk page. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 13:26, 11 March 2019 (UTC)<br />
::::Well, extracting static archives sounds much more recommended than running pip with like 7 options to make it behave. I added a talk item: [[Talk:Python package guidelines#Remove_pip_section_in_favor_of_wheels_section?]] – [[User:Flying_sheep|flying sheep]]<br />
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== wpa_supplicant ==<br />
<br />
Regarding https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=WPA_supplicant&diff=577215&oldid=577167, one person ran into this problem in March of this year and spent too much time diagnosing it:<br />
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https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=244950<br />
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It took me a few days to find the problem. I want to make sure the next time someone encounters it, they easily find relevant information about what the cause is. Since you've reverted my edits to both netctl and wpa_supplicant, what do you suggest?<br />
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--<br />
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[[User:Pooryorick|Pooryorick]] ([[User talk:Pooryorick|talk]]) 08:24, 18 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== F2FS and GRUB ==<br />
<br />
Hello. :) I'm here to address a recent disagreement. I noticed a reversion of my edit regarding the F2FS filesystem, in particular regarding the configuration file to edit (with you representing /boot/grub/grub.cfg and me representing /etc/default/grub). I run F2FS on my daily driver with an encrypted root filesystem and encrypted boot on a separate partition, and have never had to touch grub.cfg. I only automatically generate it. It's possible to use either, but /etc/default/grub would make more sense as a recommendation in my mind because grub.cfg has the potential to be overwritten during updates, whereas /etc/default/grub doesn't. <br />
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If there's a compelling reason to use grub.cfg over /etc/default/grub, please let me know. ^^ I'm always eager to learn more about Arch. I don't want to get in a reversion war so I've left your change untouched for the time being.<br />
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[[User:Eurydice|Eurydice]] ([[User talk:Eurydice|talk]]) 00:17, 8 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:The reason is explained in the section: "If GRUB is used with an unsupported filesystem it is not able to extract the UUID of your drive so it uses classic non-persistent /dev/sdXx names instead." If it does not apply to F2FS, it should be made clear. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 06:29, 8 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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::You can specify UUID's in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub, so my proposed solution would work for F2FS and other unsupported filesystems, without the burden of manually editing grub.cfg. If there's anything I need to clarify or something else I'm missing, just let me know. :) [[User:Eurydice|Eurydice]] ([[User talk:Eurydice|talk]]) 19:37, 8 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:::The {{ic|1=root=}} parameter is not supposed to be in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT, regardless if UUID is used or not. ''grub-mkconfig'' automatically detects the root filesystem and adds the appropriate {{ic|1=root=}} parameter based on GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID. In any case, your change to the paragraph does not make sense. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 20:02, 8 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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::::It could simply be because I use full disk encryption, and adding a kernel parameter for the encrypted disk's UUID is correct in that situation. You're more experienced with contributing to the wiki, so I guess I'll defer to your judgment. It felt like a reasonable edit and solution to me and I don't see the downside to including it in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT. [[User:Eurydice|Eurydice]] ([[User talk:Eurydice|talk]]) 05:38, 9 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== RStudio HiDPI ==<br />
<br />
I do not understand your reasoning for this [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=HiDPI&diff=586566&oldid=586565 revert]: "nothing here is specific to rstudio". Are you suggesting the bit about GUI toolkits should be removed (or moved to the top of the [[HiDPI#Applications]] section)? I included this because RStudio's behaviour (as a Qt application) differs depending on user's environment. Regardless, why remove the explicit example for launching a scaled RStudio instance too? [[User:Gmcd|Gmcd]] ([[User talk:Gmcd|talk]]) 22:30, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:The behaviour of any Qt application is already covered in [[HiDPI#Qt 5]]. Explaining how to use specific values for different applications does not belong to the [[HiDPI]] page, it is covered in [[Environment variables]] and [[Desktop entries#Modify environment variables]]. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 09:44, 19 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Sway#Backlight_toggle ==<br />
<br />
Hi, The instructions in the section before my edit were right (sorry for the misleading comment message) but I thought it could be more detailed (and so I edited), Insert as hotkey is a bad choice for sure, but why not just change it to Pause? did you not like the way that I modified for some reason? Why choose ''/bin/dash'' over ''/usr/bin/sh'' in a script that maybe the person reading doesn't have ''dash'' (I know it may be changed)? And sorry for this bunch of questions. [[User:Jyeno|Jyeno]] ([[User talk:Jyeno|talk]]) 15:31, 7 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Sorry for the delay, I've used different edit summaries the second time: [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Sway&diff=588939&oldid=588792], [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Sway&diff=588940&oldid=588939]. I hope that's alright with you... -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 19:02, 15 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== .desktop env ==<br />
<br />
the example clearly shows {{ic|~/.local/share/applications/}}<br />
<br />
mind using the talk page instead of revert with a long explanation next time, thx --[[User:Ubone|Ubone]] ([[User talk:Ubone|talk]]) 14:35, 12 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:The current wording is also [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Desktop_entries&type=revision&diff=583026&oldid=580395 recent] so I could have just linked that edit instead of explaining the reason. Anyway, if you want to discuss, let's start :-) [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 15:20, 12 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::well, I sort of already did. I see no reason for the complex personal examples for something so simple --[[User:Ubone|Ubone]] ([[User talk:Ubone|talk]]) 20:40, 12 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm not convinced, people usually have a reason to add a note to the wiki. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 10:05, 14 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::you usually remove things to keep it simple, and why aren't you convinced? how more plain can {{ic|~/.local/share/applications/}} be? --[[User:Ubone|Ubone]] ([[User talk:Ubone|talk]]) 10:41, 14 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:::::The point of concise (meaning succinct, not just brief) articles is not in the amount of text or examples, but in how easily it can be read and understood. In this case, the section title is "Modify environment variables" and ~/.local/share/applications/ does not contain anything, so your version did not include all important information - it was brief, but not concise. The current version is longer, but not too long. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 12:20, 14 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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::::::what do you think about the sed part, imo it's like a wall in your face. --[[User:Ubone|Ubone]] ([[User talk:Ubone|talk]]) 09:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It's short enough and self-contained in the Tip template, so didn't mind it. But after second thought, I've [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Desktop_entries&diff=593563&oldid=591495 removed it]. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 12:07, 30 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== dracut executable link ==<br />
<br />
Hello, your last edit on the dracut page (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Dracut&oldid=596388) that undid my 'Link to direct "make executable" section for executable link' commit states: "the redirect executable points exactly to that section", but it doesn't. Following the [[executable]] link just points to the top of the Help:Reading page.<br />
<br />
{{unsigned|17:06, 28 January 2020|Krathalan}}<br />
<br />
:In that case your browser probably does not work correctly, because the redirect [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Executable&redirect=no really points to the section]. Or MediaWiki, there was a bug several years ago... -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 19:41, 28 January 2020 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:: How strange... thanks for pointing that out. It does indeed appear to be some issue with my Firefox configuration. [[User:Krathalan|Krathalan]] ([[User talk:Krathalan|talk]]) 19:51, 28 January 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Getting install.php work in DokuWiki ==<br />
<br />
Hi, than you for having undone my contribution and pointed to the right solution on [[Dokuwiki#Configuration]]. Indeed I had read this solution before, but I was misled by the condition "if you are using lighttpd or nginx and your PHP version is lower than 7": as I use Apache with php v. 7.4.3 I didn't take it into account. Do you know what a correct rephrasing could be? Maybe it should be deleted?<br />
<br />
Also, I think that, at the end of this same section, one should add something like "verify that {{Pkg|php-gd}} is installed and restart {{ic|php-fpm.service}}".<br />
<br />
Naturally I can do it myself, but I prefer to ask before.<br />
[[User:BDumont|BDumont]] ([[User talk:BDumont|talk]]) 17:31, 19 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi, apparently it depends on whether you had {{ic|open_basedir}} set previously or not. I've changed the page, feel free to update the gd extension. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 21:16, 19 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you! However, while, I didn't have {{ic|open_basedir}} set previously, I couldn't access ''install.php''. I suspect there is another thing to do, since the configuration editor in DokuWiki complains that it cannot modify the configuration files although ownership and permissions are correctly set for the relevant symlinks, directories and files, and so is {{ic|open_basedir}}. However I can edit my pages. Maybe a return from a new user with a fresh installation would be more useful, though. [[User:BDumont|BDumont]] ([[User talk:BDumont|talk]]) 08:20, 20 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Arch Based Distributions ==<br />
<br />
We started to think that you have a different attitude towards us and that this is negative.<br />
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&action=history<br />
<br />
You told us what was going to be a problem and we corrected it. You are still applying quarantine to Archman Linux on the wiki page. I would like to remind you that you have not answered our discussions on the Archman.<br />
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Best Regards.. ([[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 11:27, 26 February 2020 (UTC))</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&diff=599202Talk:Arch-based distributions2020-02-26T11:07:22Z<p>Tulliana: You have reported to us things that do not comply with the Arch Linux philosophy, and we have fixed these issues. Archman Linux should be added to the Arch Based Distributions list, please.</p>
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<div>== Read this first ==<br />
<br />
* Previous page history can be found at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history].<br />
* Sourceforge links are intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=531794].<br />
<br />
-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Trademark infringements ==<br />
<br />
I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* <s>ArchMan Linux</s>, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]<br />
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]<br />
* <s>Artix Linux</s><br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* <s>SwagArch</s><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Artix Linux[https://artixlinux.org/] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. {{Unsigned|07:13, 30 September 2017|Drumal}}<br />
<br />
::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:::: We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Sourceforge ==<br />
<br />
Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links].<br />
<br />
I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.<br />
<br />
With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?<br />
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-- [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Update to ArchLabs Linux ==<br />
<br />
This distribution is active, can we have it added to the list of active distros please.<br />
<br />
Sources:<br />
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchLabs<br />
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https://archlabslinux.com/<br />
<br />
[[User:Dobbie03|Dobbie03]] ([[User talk:Dobbie03|talk]]) 19:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Suggestion to add Snal Linux to this page ==<br />
<br />
Snal is an Arch based distro that started in November 2019.<br />
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https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/<br />
<br />
[[User:Wakejagr|Wakejagr]] ([[User talk:Wakejagr|talk]]) 03:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Ninja OS has returned ==<br />
version 0.12.0 release on Jan 18, 2020<br />
https://ninjaos.org<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos<br />
<br />
[[User:GI Jack|GI Jack]] ([[User talk:GI Jack|talk]]) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&diff=599201Talk:Arch-based distributions2020-02-26T11:02:16Z<p>Tulliana: You have reported to us things that do not comply with the Arch Linux philosophy, and we have fixed these issues. Archman Linux, Arch Tabanlı Dağıtımlar listesine eklenmelidir, lütfen.</p>
<hr />
<div>== Read this first ==<br />
<br />
* Previous page history can be found at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history].<br />
* Sourceforge links are intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=531794].<br />
<br />
-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Trademark infringements ==<br />
<br />
I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* <s>ArchMan</s>, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]<br />
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]<br />
* <s>Artix Linux</s><br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* <s>SwagArch</s><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Artix Linux[https://artixlinux.org/] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. {{Unsigned|07:13, 30 September 2017|Drumal}}<br />
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::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:::: We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourceforge ==<br />
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Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links].<br />
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I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.<br />
<br />
With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?<br />
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-- [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== Update to ArchLabs Linux ==<br />
<br />
This distribution is active, can we have it added to the list of active distros please.<br />
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Sources:<br />
<br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchLabs<br />
<br />
https://archlabslinux.com/<br />
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[[User:Dobbie03|Dobbie03]] ([[User talk:Dobbie03|talk]]) 19:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Suggestion to add Snal Linux to this page ==<br />
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Snal is an Arch based distro that started in November 2019.<br />
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https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/<br />
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[[User:Wakejagr|Wakejagr]] ([[User talk:Wakejagr|talk]]) 03:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Ninja OS has returned ==<br />
version 0.12.0 release on Jan 18, 2020<br />
https://ninjaos.org<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos<br />
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[[User:GI Jack|GI Jack]] ([[User talk:GI Jack|talk]]) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Alad&diff=591607User talk:Alad2019-12-11T18:36:11Z<p>Tulliana: /* Archman Linux */ new comments entered</p>
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* [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=User+talk%3AAlad&namespace=1 WhatLinksHere (Talk)]<br />
* [[Special:WhatLinksHere/User_talk:Alad|WhatLinksHere (all)]]<br />
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== <s>pacaur</s> ==<br />
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I suggest being friendlier with other users that contribute to Wiki pages right under your nose. I sincerely apologize that I did not scroll down to the table. As far as I can see Yaourt is still maintained but shows up as unmaintained in the comparison table. Dominik<br />
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:I've lost count on how often people added the "unmaintained" flag to pacaur even though better solutions were proposed. I had to lock the page at some point and consider doing it again. <br />
:Yaourt is not maintained by the definition used in the table since it has never addressed outstanding issues with security or corrupting builds. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:27, 6 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::Better solution: [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=AUR_helpers&diff=512869&oldid=512865] Sorry for losing my patience. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:49, 6 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Mount efivarfs</s> ==<br />
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I found your comment funny since it was you who flagged that section with [[Template:Out of date]]: [[Special:Diff/489445]]. -- [[User:nl6720|nl6720]] ([[User talk:nl6720|talk]]) 13:24, 28 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Haha, nice one. ;) -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:45, 28 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>[[Identify damaged files]]</s> ==<br />
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Your title is much better than mine was but in the future could you please leave more constructive edit comments? Thank you.[[User:Ksd|Ksd]] ([[User talk:Ksd|talk]]) 00:05, 20 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:I didn't expect a comment on this ~3 years later... but yes I will, thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 10:42, 23 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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Heh, yeah I just recently decided to come back and start updating that article again with some new info (my old user was [[User:MaBeef]]). I appreciate it and no hard feelings. -- [[User:Ksd|Ksd]] ([[User talk:Ksd|talk]]) 14:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== <s>Number of links in a section</s> ==<br />
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It is often quite useful to convert text into links, such as "pacman" into [[pacman]], however, I am uncertain as to how frequently this should occur. I didn't see a specific mention of link frequency in on the [[Help:Editing#Links]] or in [[Help:Style]], only the styling based on the context and location of the link. In general, is it seen as useful to convert every possible bit of text that references an existing page on the wiki into a link, or should it be done in moderation? My rule of thumb so far has been to convert the text to a link if a term has been mentioned in that section for the first time. Would it be considered "best practices" to do it more or less than I am currently? -- [[User:Aeros167|Aeros167]] ([[User talk:Aeros167|talk]]) 20:16, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:I would say your rule of thumb is reasonable, cf. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking#MOS:REPEATLINK] -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 20:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
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::See also [[Help:Style/Formatting_and_punctuation#First_instances]]. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 21:09, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh I see, this rule clears it up "If the name is already introduced by the title of the article or by a section heading, its first relevant appearance in the body can only be used as a link anchor...". For clarification, could [[Help:Style/Formatting_and_punctuation#First_instances]] be linked to in the [[Help:Editing#Links]] section? I've noticed that a few rule sections link to other related rules to make it a bit easier to find them, the [[Help]] pages are quite extensive. -- [[User:Aeros167|Aeros167]] ([[User talk:Aeros167|talk]]) 22:21, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
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::::Why not, I've [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Help%3AEditing&type=revision&diff=575161&oldid=555649 added] the link, thanks. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 14:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks, closing. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 15:13, 11 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Archman Linux ==<br />
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We didn't think the os-release content would be a problem. We provided information about Archman in the lsb_release file. Now we have edited the os-release file. The latest changes will be effective after this date.<br />
:https://gitlab.com/Archman-OS/ArchmanISO/tree/master/airootfs/etc If you look at this link, you can see that we have already edited our os-release file. We edited again the os-release file under usr/lib. When I looked at the other arch-based distributions on the list, I found that many of them worked like us. The os-release file only exists under the etc directory. I just don't understand why we've got your attention. [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 14:43, 17 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
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We also did not think the #archlinux chat room would be a problem, we put it as a gesture. We removed the #archlinux room from our chat lists.<br />
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I would like to add Archman Linux to the list of distributions in 2017. We will be pleased if you make the necessary arrangements<br />
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Best regards<br />
<br />
tulliana (Archman team leader)<br />
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:I am not authorized to edit the Arch-based distributions page. I could edit beforehand. I would appreciate it if you authorize for me [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 12:43, 17 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
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::It is not about lsb_release file, but statements that misrepresent derivative work to be same as original:<br />
:::''Archman linux is a pre-built and configured Arch linux. You can continue to use Arch linux completely by changing the / etc / lsb-release and etc / os-release file contents to Arch Linux after installation. Archman linux is just Arch linux.''<br />
::We want opposite of that, for you to not equate your work with original. You can say "based on" and not claim you can somehow turn that installation into Arch Linux which you can't.<br />
::Reason to do that is if you break something or introduce malicious code into your installation program, we want you to be clear on your website you are responsible for that and you should be contacted with any issues your users have, not Arch Linux. Because installing via your installer and official media is not the same thing, we can't and don't provide support for those, just like we don't consider those installation to be installations of Arch Linux.<br />
::-- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 18:17, 11 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
::: We just wanted to tell you that we didn't get too far away from base distribution when we said Arch Linux. We understood what you wanted to say and we didn't think we were wrong. From this point of view, I agree with you. We'll remove the phrases you're talking about right now, or change them to make no violation. We don't want to harm Arch linux in any way. Arch linux is our very valuable base distribution. We apply regulations immediately, please remove us from the list of negative examples. Best regards. [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 18:36, 11 December 2019 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&diff=591572Talk:Arch-based distributions2019-12-11T09:16:22Z<p>Tulliana: archman linux does not violate any rules. Things you think are a violation have been corrected</p>
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<div>== Read this first ==<br />
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* Previous page history can be found at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history].<br />
* Sourceforge links are intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=531794].<br />
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-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== Trademark infringements ==<br />
<br />
I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* <s>ArchMan</s>, [http://archman.org/en/] [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 09:16, 11 December 2019 (UTC)<br />
* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]<br />
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]<br />
* <s>Artix Linux</s><br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* <s>SwagArch</s><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Artix Linux[https://artixlinux.org/] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. {{Unsigned|07:13, 30 September 2017|Drumal}}<br />
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::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:::: We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourceforge ==<br />
<br />
Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links].<br />
<br />
I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.<br />
<br />
With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?<br />
<br />
-- [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== Update to ArchLabs Linux ==<br />
<br />
This distribution is active, can we have it added to the list of active distros please.<br />
<br />
Sources:<br />
<br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchLabs<br />
<br />
https://archlabslinux.com/<br />
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[[User:Dobbie03|Dobbie03]] ([[User talk:Dobbie03|talk]]) 19:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Suggestion to add Snal Linux to this page ==<br />
<br />
Snal is an Arch based distro that started in November 2019.<br />
<br />
https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/<br />
<br />
[[User:Wakejagr|Wakejagr]] ([[User talk:Wakejagr|talk]]) 03:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&diff=586483Talk:Arch-based distributions2019-10-18T08:59:00Z<p>Tulliana: /* Trademark infringements */ about to archman linux</p>
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<div>== Read this first ==<br />
<br />
* Previous page history can be found at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history].<br />
* Sourceforge links are intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=531794].<br />
<br />
-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Trademark infringements ==<br />
<br />
I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:<br />
* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]<br />
* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]<br />
* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]<br />
* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]<br />
* ArchMan, [http://archman.org/en/]<br />
* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]<br />
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]<br />
* <s>Artix Linux</s><br />
* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]<br />
* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup><br />
* <s>SwagArch</s><br />
* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup><br />
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Artix Linux[https://artixlinux.org/] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. {{Unsigned|07:13, 30 September 2017|Drumal}}<br />
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::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::: We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Sourceforge ==<br />
<br />
Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links].<br />
<br />
I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.<br />
<br />
With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?<br />
<br />
-- [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Alad&diff=586429User talk:Alad2019-10-17T14:43:50Z<p>Tulliana: /* Archman Linux */</p>
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<div>{{Note|Consider creating a [[Help:Discussion|discussion]] on the respective article talk page before opening an item here.}}<br />
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* [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=User+talk%3AAlad&namespace=1 WhatLinksHere (Talk)]<br />
* [[Special:WhatLinksHere/User_talk:Alad|WhatLinksHere (all)]]<br />
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== <s>pacaur</s> ==<br />
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I suggest being friendlier with other users that contribute to Wiki pages right under your nose. I sincerely apologize that I did not scroll down to the table. As far as I can see Yaourt is still maintained but shows up as unmaintained in the comparison table. Dominik<br />
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:I've lost count on how often people added the "unmaintained" flag to pacaur even though better solutions were proposed. I had to lock the page at some point and consider doing it again. <br />
:Yaourt is not maintained by the definition used in the table since it has never addressed outstanding issues with security or corrupting builds. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:27, 6 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::Better solution: [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=AUR_helpers&diff=512869&oldid=512865] Sorry for losing my patience. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:49, 6 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Mount efivarfs</s> ==<br />
<br />
I found your comment funny since it was you who flagged that section with [[Template:Out of date]]: [[Special:Diff/489445]]. -- [[User:nl6720|nl6720]] ([[User talk:nl6720|talk]]) 13:24, 28 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Haha, nice one. ;) -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:45, 28 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>[[Identify damaged files]]</s> ==<br />
<br />
Your title is much better than mine was but in the future could you please leave more constructive edit comments? Thank you.[[User:Ksd|Ksd]] ([[User talk:Ksd|talk]]) 00:05, 20 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I didn't expect a comment on this ~3 years later... but yes I will, thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 10:42, 23 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Heh, yeah I just recently decided to come back and start updating that article again with some new info (my old user was [[User:MaBeef]]). I appreciate it and no hard feelings. -- [[User:Ksd|Ksd]] ([[User talk:Ksd|talk]]) 14:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Number of links in a section</s> ==<br />
<br />
It is often quite useful to convert text into links, such as "pacman" into [[pacman]], however, I am uncertain as to how frequently this should occur. I didn't see a specific mention of link frequency in on the [[Help:Editing#Links]] or in [[Help:Style]], only the styling based on the context and location of the link. In general, is it seen as useful to convert every possible bit of text that references an existing page on the wiki into a link, or should it be done in moderation? My rule of thumb so far has been to convert the text to a link if a term has been mentioned in that section for the first time. Would it be considered "best practices" to do it more or less than I am currently? -- [[User:Aeros167|Aeros167]] ([[User talk:Aeros167|talk]]) 20:16, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I would say your rule of thumb is reasonable, cf. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking#MOS:REPEATLINK] -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 20:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::See also [[Help:Style/Formatting_and_punctuation#First_instances]]. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 21:09, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::Oh I see, this rule clears it up "If the name is already introduced by the title of the article or by a section heading, its first relevant appearance in the body can only be used as a link anchor...". For clarification, could [[Help:Style/Formatting_and_punctuation#First_instances]] be linked to in the [[Help:Editing#Links]] section? I've noticed that a few rule sections link to other related rules to make it a bit easier to find them, the [[Help]] pages are quite extensive. -- [[User:Aeros167|Aeros167]] ([[User talk:Aeros167|talk]]) 22:21, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::Why not, I've [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Help%3AEditing&type=revision&diff=575161&oldid=555649 added] the link, thanks. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 14:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::Thanks, closing. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 15:13, 11 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Archman Linux ==<br />
<br />
We didn't think the os-release content would be a problem. We provided information about Archman in the lsb_release file. Now we have edited the os-release file. The latest changes will be effective after this date.<br />
:https://gitlab.com/Archman-OS/ArchmanISO/tree/master/airootfs/etc If you look at this link, you can see that we have already edited our os-release file. We edited again the os-release file under usr/lib. When I looked at the other arch-based distributions on the list, I found that many of them worked like us. The os-release file only exists under the etc directory. I just don't understand why we've got your attention. [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 14:43, 17 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
We also did not think the #archlinux chat room would be a problem, we put it as a gesture. We removed the #archlinux room from our chat lists.<br />
<br />
I would like to add Archman Linux to the list of distributions in 2017. We will be pleased if you make the necessary arrangements<br />
<br />
Best regards<br />
<br />
tulliana (Archman team leader)<br />
<br />
:I am not authorized to edit the Arch-based distributions page. I could edit beforehand. I would appreciate it if you authorize for me [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 12:43, 17 October 2019 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Alad&diff=586428User talk:Alad2019-10-17T14:40:32Z<p>Tulliana: /* Archman Linux */ new information added</p>
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<div>{{Note|Consider creating a [[Help:Discussion|discussion]] on the respective article talk page before opening an item here.}}<br />
<br />
* [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=User+talk%3AAlad&namespace=1 WhatLinksHere (Talk)]<br />
* [[Special:WhatLinksHere/User_talk:Alad|WhatLinksHere (all)]]<br />
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== <s>pacaur</s> ==<br />
<br />
I suggest being friendlier with other users that contribute to Wiki pages right under your nose. I sincerely apologize that I did not scroll down to the table. As far as I can see Yaourt is still maintained but shows up as unmaintained in the comparison table. Dominik<br />
<br />
:I've lost count on how often people added the "unmaintained" flag to pacaur even though better solutions were proposed. I had to lock the page at some point and consider doing it again. <br />
:Yaourt is not maintained by the definition used in the table since it has never addressed outstanding issues with security or corrupting builds. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:27, 6 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::Better solution: [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=AUR_helpers&diff=512869&oldid=512865] Sorry for losing my patience. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:49, 6 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Mount efivarfs</s> ==<br />
<br />
I found your comment funny since it was you who flagged that section with [[Template:Out of date]]: [[Special:Diff/489445]]. -- [[User:nl6720|nl6720]] ([[User talk:nl6720|talk]]) 13:24, 28 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Haha, nice one. ;) -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:45, 28 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>[[Identify damaged files]]</s> ==<br />
<br />
Your title is much better than mine was but in the future could you please leave more constructive edit comments? Thank you.[[User:Ksd|Ksd]] ([[User talk:Ksd|talk]]) 00:05, 20 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I didn't expect a comment on this ~3 years later... but yes I will, thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 10:42, 23 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Heh, yeah I just recently decided to come back and start updating that article again with some new info (my old user was [[User:MaBeef]]). I appreciate it and no hard feelings. -- [[User:Ksd|Ksd]] ([[User talk:Ksd|talk]]) 14:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Number of links in a section</s> ==<br />
<br />
It is often quite useful to convert text into links, such as "pacman" into [[pacman]], however, I am uncertain as to how frequently this should occur. I didn't see a specific mention of link frequency in on the [[Help:Editing#Links]] or in [[Help:Style]], only the styling based on the context and location of the link. In general, is it seen as useful to convert every possible bit of text that references an existing page on the wiki into a link, or should it be done in moderation? My rule of thumb so far has been to convert the text to a link if a term has been mentioned in that section for the first time. Would it be considered "best practices" to do it more or less than I am currently? -- [[User:Aeros167|Aeros167]] ([[User talk:Aeros167|talk]]) 20:16, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I would say your rule of thumb is reasonable, cf. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking#MOS:REPEATLINK] -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 20:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::See also [[Help:Style/Formatting_and_punctuation#First_instances]]. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 21:09, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::Oh I see, this rule clears it up "If the name is already introduced by the title of the article or by a section heading, its first relevant appearance in the body can only be used as a link anchor...". For clarification, could [[Help:Style/Formatting_and_punctuation#First_instances]] be linked to in the [[Help:Editing#Links]] section? I've noticed that a few rule sections link to other related rules to make it a bit easier to find them, the [[Help]] pages are quite extensive. -- [[User:Aeros167|Aeros167]] ([[User talk:Aeros167|talk]]) 22:21, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::Why not, I've [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Help%3AEditing&type=revision&diff=575161&oldid=555649 added] the link, thanks. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 14:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::Thanks, closing. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 15:13, 11 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Archman Linux ==<br />
<br />
We didn't think the os-release content would be a problem. We provided information about Archman in the lsb_release file. Now we have edited the os-release file. The latest changes will be effective after this date.<br />
:https://gitlab.com/Archman-OS/ArchmanISO/tree/master/airootfs/etc If you look at this link, you can see that we have already edited our os-release file.we edited again the os-release file under usr/lib When I looked at the other arch-based distributions on the list, I found that many of them worked like us. The os-release file only exists under the etc directory. I just don't understand why we've got your attention. [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 14:40, 17 October 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
We also did not think the #archlinux chat room would be a problem, we put it as a gesture. We removed the #archlinux room from our chat lists.<br />
<br />
I would like to add Archman Linux to the list of distributions in 2017. We will be pleased if you make the necessary arrangements<br />
<br />
Best regards<br />
<br />
tulliana (Archman team leader)<br />
<br />
:I am not authorized to edit the Arch-based distributions page. I could edit beforehand. I would appreciate it if you authorize for me [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 12:43, 17 October 2019 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Alad&diff=586420User talk:Alad2019-10-17T12:43:19Z<p>Tulliana: /* Archman Linux */</p>
<hr />
<div>{{Note|Consider creating a [[Help:Discussion|discussion]] on the respective article talk page before opening an item here.}}<br />
<br />
* [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=User+talk%3AAlad&namespace=1 WhatLinksHere (Talk)]<br />
* [[Special:WhatLinksHere/User_talk:Alad|WhatLinksHere (all)]]<br />
<br />
== <s>pacaur</s> ==<br />
<br />
I suggest being friendlier with other users that contribute to Wiki pages right under your nose. I sincerely apologize that I did not scroll down to the table. As far as I can see Yaourt is still maintained but shows up as unmaintained in the comparison table. Dominik<br />
<br />
:I've lost count on how often people added the "unmaintained" flag to pacaur even though better solutions were proposed. I had to lock the page at some point and consider doing it again. <br />
:Yaourt is not maintained by the definition used in the table since it has never addressed outstanding issues with security or corrupting builds. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:27, 6 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::Better solution: [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=AUR_helpers&diff=512869&oldid=512865] Sorry for losing my patience. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:49, 6 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Mount efivarfs</s> ==<br />
<br />
I found your comment funny since it was you who flagged that section with [[Template:Out of date]]: [[Special:Diff/489445]]. -- [[User:nl6720|nl6720]] ([[User talk:nl6720|talk]]) 13:24, 28 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Haha, nice one. ;) -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:45, 28 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>[[Identify damaged files]]</s> ==<br />
<br />
Your title is much better than mine was but in the future could you please leave more constructive edit comments? Thank you.[[User:Ksd|Ksd]] ([[User talk:Ksd|talk]]) 00:05, 20 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I didn't expect a comment on this ~3 years later... but yes I will, thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 10:42, 23 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Heh, yeah I just recently decided to come back and start updating that article again with some new info (my old user was [[User:MaBeef]]). I appreciate it and no hard feelings. -- [[User:Ksd|Ksd]] ([[User talk:Ksd|talk]]) 14:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Number of links in a section</s> ==<br />
<br />
It is often quite useful to convert text into links, such as "pacman" into [[pacman]], however, I am uncertain as to how frequently this should occur. I didn't see a specific mention of link frequency in on the [[Help:Editing#Links]] or in [[Help:Style]], only the styling based on the context and location of the link. In general, is it seen as useful to convert every possible bit of text that references an existing page on the wiki into a link, or should it be done in moderation? My rule of thumb so far has been to convert the text to a link if a term has been mentioned in that section for the first time. Would it be considered "best practices" to do it more or less than I am currently? -- [[User:Aeros167|Aeros167]] ([[User talk:Aeros167|talk]]) 20:16, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I would say your rule of thumb is reasonable, cf. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking#MOS:REPEATLINK] -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 20:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::See also [[Help:Style/Formatting_and_punctuation#First_instances]]. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 21:09, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::Oh I see, this rule clears it up "If the name is already introduced by the title of the article or by a section heading, its first relevant appearance in the body can only be used as a link anchor...". For clarification, could [[Help:Style/Formatting_and_punctuation#First_instances]] be linked to in the [[Help:Editing#Links]] section? I've noticed that a few rule sections link to other related rules to make it a bit easier to find them, the [[Help]] pages are quite extensive. -- [[User:Aeros167|Aeros167]] ([[User talk:Aeros167|talk]]) 22:21, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::Why not, I've [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Help%3AEditing&type=revision&diff=575161&oldid=555649 added] the link, thanks. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 14:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::Thanks, closing. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 15:13, 11 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Archman Linux ==<br />
<br />
We didn't think the os-release content would be a problem. We provided information about Archman in the lsb_release file. Now we have edited the os-release file. The latest changes will be effective after this date.<br />
We also did not think the #archlinux chat room would be a problem, we put it as a gesture. We removed the #archlinux room from our chat lists.<br />
<br />
I would like to add Archman Linux to the list of distributions in 2017. We will be pleased if you make the necessary arrangements<br />
<br />
Best regards<br />
<br />
tulliana (Archman team leader)<br />
<br />
:I am not authorized to edit the Arch-based distributions page. I could edit beforehand. I would appreciate it if you authorize for me [[User:Tulliana|Tulliana]] ([[User talk:Tulliana|talk]]) 12:43, 17 October 2019 (UTC)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Alad&diff=586418User talk:Alad2019-10-17T12:17:29Z<p>Tulliana: /* Archman Linux */ new section</p>
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<div>{{Note|Consider creating a [[Help:Discussion|discussion]] on the respective article talk page before opening an item here.}}<br />
<br />
* [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=User+talk%3AAlad&namespace=1 WhatLinksHere (Talk)]<br />
* [[Special:WhatLinksHere/User_talk:Alad|WhatLinksHere (all)]]<br />
<br />
== <s>pacaur</s> ==<br />
<br />
I suggest being friendlier with other users that contribute to Wiki pages right under your nose. I sincerely apologize that I did not scroll down to the table. As far as I can see Yaourt is still maintained but shows up as unmaintained in the comparison table. Dominik<br />
<br />
:I've lost count on how often people added the "unmaintained" flag to pacaur even though better solutions were proposed. I had to lock the page at some point and consider doing it again. <br />
:Yaourt is not maintained by the definition used in the table since it has never addressed outstanding issues with security or corrupting builds. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:27, 6 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::Better solution: [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=AUR_helpers&diff=512869&oldid=512865] Sorry for losing my patience. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:49, 6 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Mount efivarfs</s> ==<br />
<br />
I found your comment funny since it was you who flagged that section with [[Template:Out of date]]: [[Special:Diff/489445]]. -- [[User:nl6720|nl6720]] ([[User talk:nl6720|talk]]) 13:24, 28 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Haha, nice one. ;) -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:45, 28 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>[[Identify damaged files]]</s> ==<br />
<br />
Your title is much better than mine was but in the future could you please leave more constructive edit comments? Thank you.[[User:Ksd|Ksd]] ([[User talk:Ksd|talk]]) 00:05, 20 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I didn't expect a comment on this ~3 years later... but yes I will, thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 10:42, 23 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Heh, yeah I just recently decided to come back and start updating that article again with some new info (my old user was [[User:MaBeef]]). I appreciate it and no hard feelings. -- [[User:Ksd|Ksd]] ([[User talk:Ksd|talk]]) 14:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== <s>Number of links in a section</s> ==<br />
<br />
It is often quite useful to convert text into links, such as "pacman" into [[pacman]], however, I am uncertain as to how frequently this should occur. I didn't see a specific mention of link frequency in on the [[Help:Editing#Links]] or in [[Help:Style]], only the styling based on the context and location of the link. In general, is it seen as useful to convert every possible bit of text that references an existing page on the wiki into a link, or should it be done in moderation? My rule of thumb so far has been to convert the text to a link if a term has been mentioned in that section for the first time. Would it be considered "best practices" to do it more or less than I am currently? -- [[User:Aeros167|Aeros167]] ([[User talk:Aeros167|talk]]) 20:16, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I would say your rule of thumb is reasonable, cf. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking#MOS:REPEATLINK] -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 20:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::See also [[Help:Style/Formatting_and_punctuation#First_instances]]. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 21:09, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::Oh I see, this rule clears it up "If the name is already introduced by the title of the article or by a section heading, its first relevant appearance in the body can only be used as a link anchor...". For clarification, could [[Help:Style/Formatting_and_punctuation#First_instances]] be linked to in the [[Help:Editing#Links]] section? I've noticed that a few rule sections link to other related rules to make it a bit easier to find them, the [[Help]] pages are quite extensive. -- [[User:Aeros167|Aeros167]] ([[User talk:Aeros167|talk]]) 22:21, 10 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::Why not, I've [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Help%3AEditing&type=revision&diff=575161&oldid=555649 added] the link, thanks. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 14:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::Thanks, closing. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 15:13, 11 June 2019 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Archman Linux ==<br />
<br />
We didn't think the os-release content would be a problem. We provided information about Archman in the lsb_release file. Now we have edited the os-release file. The latest changes will be effective after this date.<br />
We also did not think the #archlinux chat room would be a problem, we put it as a gesture. We removed the #archlinux room from our chat lists.<br />
<br />
I would like to add Archman Linux to the list of distributions in 2017. We will be pleased if you make the necessary arrangements<br />
<br />
Best regards<br />
<br />
tulliana (Archman team leader)</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch-based_distributions_(Portugu%C3%AAs)&diff=552233Arch-based distributions (Português)2018-10-31T19:34:04Z<p>Tulliana: Archman web site added</p>
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Esta página lista as distribuições do sistema operacional que são derivadas do Arch Linux '''no todo ou em parte''', para ajudar a aplicar a [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Política de marca registrada do Arch Linux]]. Embora pretenda ser o mais abrangente possível, não é uma lista exaustiva. Os links do projeto SourceForge são preferidos para simplificar a manutenção.<br />
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== Ativas ==<br />
<br />
Asterisco indica o ano do primeiro lançamento público baseado no Arch Linux.<br />
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* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/alfheim-linux/ Alfheim Linux] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://anarchy-linux.org/ Anarchy Linux] <sup>*2015, anteriormente Arch Anywhere</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos/ Antergos] <sup>*2012, anteriormente Cinnarch</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/ ArchBang] <sup>*2010</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archex/ ArchEX] <sup>*2011</sup><br />
* [https://archhurd.org/ Arch Hurd] <sup>*2010</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archlabs-linux-minimo/ ArchLabs] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://archlinux32.org/ Arch Linux 32] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://archlinuxarm.org/ Arch Linux ARM] <sup>*2009, anteriormente Arch Linux Mobile, PlugApps, PlugBox</sup><br />
* [http://archman.org/en/ Archman GNU/Linux] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archphile/ Archphile] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
* [https://archstrike.org/ ArchStrike] <sup>*2014, anteriormente ArchAssault</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-xferience/ Arch XFerience] <sup>*2016</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arcolinux/ ArcoLinux] <sup>*2017, anteriormente ArchMerge</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/artix-linux/ Artix Linux] <sup>*2016, anteriormente Arch-OpenRC</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/bbqlinux/ BBQLinux] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
* [https://blackarch.org/ BlackArch Linux] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/bluestarlinux/ Bluestar Linux] <sup>*2013</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/chakra/ Chakra] <sup>*2008</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/condres-os-gnu-linux/ Condres OS] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://ctlos.github.io/ Ctlos Linux] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://www.hyperbola.info/ Hyperbola] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/kaosx/ KaOS] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
* [http://linhes.org/ LinHES] <sup>*2009</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/magpieos/ MagpieOS] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjarolinux/ Manjaro Linux] <sup>*2011</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/morpheusarch-lxqt/ MorpheusArch]<sup>*2015</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/msys2/ MSYS2] <sup>*2013</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/namib-gnu-linux/ Namib] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/netrunneros/ Netrunner Rolling] <sup>*2015</sup><br />
* [https://web.obarun.org/ Obarun] <sup>*2016</sup><br />
* [https://www.pacbsd.org/ PacBSD] <sup>*2013, anteriormente ArchBSD</sup><br />
* [https://www.parabola.nu/ Parabola] <sup>*2011</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/puppyrusa/ PuppyRus-A] <sup>*2013</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/rasparch/ RaspArch] <sup>*2015</sup><br />
* [https://swagarch.gitlab.io/ SwagArch] <sup>*2016</sup><br />
* [https://talkingarch.tk/ TalkingArch] <sup>*2008</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/telisc-os/ TeLiSc OS] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [http://ubos.net/ UBOS] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
<br />
== Inativas ==<br />
<br />
Essas distribuições não são mais desenvolvidas, mas mostram um pouco do histórico em torno do Arch Linux e da maior comunidade FOSS. As seções mostram o ano do último lançamento.<br />
<br />
=== 2017 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/alobearchlinuxoldboyeditionv1/ ALOBE]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbox-linux/ ArchBox]<br />
* [https://github.com/alwsl/alwsl Arch Linux WSL Edition]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/asemanos/ Aseman OS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/astian-os/ Astian OS]<br />
* [http://www.ap-linux.com/ Audiophile Linux] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/feliz/ Feliz]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos/ Ninja OS]<br />
* [http://nurunner.mkxt.net/index2.html Nurunner Linux]<br />
* [https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=sonar Sonar] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
<br />
=== 2016 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/alphaos/ alphaOS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/apricityos/ Apricity OS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-i3nemesis/ Arch i3Nemesis]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/architect-linux Architect]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archodi/ archodi]<br />
* [https://github.com/arkOScloud arkOS]<br />
* [https://github.com/arquetype/pacman-source Arquetype CRT]<br />
* [http://easy.open.and.free.fr/didjix/ DidJiX]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/miraclx-os/ Miraclx OS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/niixarch/ niixarch]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/architect-linux/ PacBang]<br />
* [https://velt.io Velt OS]<br />
<br />
=== 2015 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arber/ ArBer Linux]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/bridgelinux/ Bridge Linux]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/justbrowsing/ justbrowsing]<br />
* [https://kademar.org/productos/version-de-escritorio/ Kademar]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/mooos/ mooOS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/poliarch/ PoliArch]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/tuxhatlinux/ Tux Hat Linux]<br />
<br />
=== 2014 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://github.com/Arch-Linux-MIPS Arch Linux MIPS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/chaosdistro/ C.H.A.O.S.]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/deltalinux-obs/ Delta]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/devilzarch/ devilzarch]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/instarch/ instarch]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/mesklinux/ Mesk Linux]<br />
<br />
=== 2013 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arche17 ArchE17]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/luciferslinux/ Lucifer's Linux]<br />
<br />
=== 2012 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20120614085009/http://archlinuxppc.org/ Arch Linux PPC]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20140118130037/http://www.archserver.org/ ArchServer]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20120608055552/http://cdn.freesco.pl CDN Linux]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20141201064031/http://sourceforge.net/projects/connochaetos/ ConnochaetOS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/kahelos/ Kahel OS]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20120314025441/http://www.tommed.co.uk/ldr/ LDR]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/nosonja/ Nosonja]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sados/ SadOS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sfpenguin/ San Francisco Linux]<br />
<br />
=== 2011 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://code.google.com/archive/p/archlive/ Archlive]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20151001195223/http://ctkarch.org/ CTKArch]<br />
* [http://live.linux-gamers.net/ LinuX-gamers]<br />
<br />
=== 2010 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/ameosdist/ AmeOS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archone/ ArchOne]<br />
* [http://www.archpwn.org/ ArchPwn]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/elegance-linux/ Elegance]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/uknow4kids/ UKnow4Kids]<br />
* [https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=717249 Uzume Linux]<br />
<br />
=== 2009 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://code.google.com/archive/p/archlinux-i586/ archlive-i586]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20110202101442/http://blag.chaox.net/ Chaox]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20151212131030/http://www.enlisy.net/en/ Enlisy]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20090901203844/http://fireflylinux.com/ Firefly Linux]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20091227101903/http://en.maryanlinux.com/ Maryan Linux 2]<br />
<br />
=== 2008 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20081224231003/http://rusher.webhop.org/wordpress/?page_id=143 Arch Linux Modified]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20100918204659/http://www.faunos.com/ FaunOS]<br />
* [http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=shift Shift Linux] <sup>*2006</sup><br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20100125175854/http://code.google.com/p/uarch/ uArch]<br />
<br />
=== 2007 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20090726221110/http://archie.dotsrc.org/ Archie] <sup>*2005</sup><br />
* [http://marchlinux.wikidot.com/ March Linux]<br />
* [https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=underground Underground Desktop] <sup>*2005</sup><br />
<br />
=== 2006 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20110728041813/http://arch-egis.berlios.de/news.php Aegis Project]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20100213030324/http://sourceforge.net/projects/freshmeat_lowarch/ Lowarch]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20070528084125/http://www.kotek.net/minimax/ Minimax]<br />
<br />
=== 2004 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20090327055005/http://www.datavibe.net/~essiene/ale/ Arch Linux Embedded Project]<br />
<br />
== Veja também ==<br />
<br />
* [[Wikipedia:Arch Linux#Derivatives]]<br />
* [https://distrowatch.com/search.php?&basedon=Arch&status=All#simple DistroWatch, distribuições baseadas no Arch]</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch-based_distributions_(Espa%C3%B1ol)&diff=552232Arch-based distributions (Español)2018-10-31T19:33:30Z<p>Tulliana: Archman web site added</p>
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Esta página enumera las distribuciones que se derivan de Arch Linux '''en su totalidad o en parte''', para ayudar a hacer cumplir la [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|política de marca registrada de Arch Linux]]. Aunque pretende ser lo más completo posible, no es una lista exhaustiva. Se prefieren los enlaces al proyecto SourceForge para simplificar el mantenimiento.<br />
<br />
== Activas ==<br />
<br />
El asterisco indica el año de la primera versión pública basada en Arch Linux.<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/alfheim-linux/ Alfheim Linux] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://anarchy-linux.org/ Anarchy Linux] <sup>*2015, anteriormente Arch Anywhere</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos/ Antergos] <sup>*2012, anteriormente Cinnarch</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/ ArchBang] <sup>*2010</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archex/ ArchEX] <sup>*2011</sup><br />
* [https://archhurd.org/ Arch Hurd] <sup>*2010</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archlabs-linux-minimo/ ArchLabs] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://archlinux32.org/ Arch Linux 32] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://archlinuxarm.org/ Arch Linux ARM] <sup>*2009, anteriormente Arch Linux Mobile, PlugApps, PlugBox</sup><br />
* [http://archman.org/en/ Archman GNU/Linux] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archphile/ Archphile] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
* [https://archstrike.org/ ArchStrike] <sup>*2014, anteriormente ArchAssault</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-xferience/ Arch XFerience] <sup>*2016</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arcolinux/ ArcoLinux] <sup>*2017, anteriormente ArchMerge</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/artix-linux/ Artix Linux] <sup>*2016, anteriormente Arch-OpenRC</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/bbqlinux/ BBQLinux] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
* [https://blackarch.org/ BlackArch Linux] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/bluestarlinux/ Bluestar Linux] <sup>*2013</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/chakra/ Chakra] <sup>*2008</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/condres-os-gnu-linux/ Condres OS] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://ctlos.github.io/ Ctlos Linux] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://www.hyperbola.info/ Hyperbola] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/kaosx/ KaOS] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
* [http://linhes.org/ LinHES] <sup>*2009</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/magpieos/ MagpieOS] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjarolinux/ Manjaro Linux] <sup>*2011</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/morpheusarch-lxqt/ MorpheusArch] <sup>*2015</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/msys2/ MSYS2] <sup>*2013</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/namib-gnu-linux/ Namib] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/netrunneros/ Netrunner Rolling] <sup>*2015</sup><br />
* [https://web.obarun.org/ Obarun] <sup>*2016</sup><br />
* [https://www.pacbsd.org/ PacBSD] <sup>*2013, anteriormente ArchBSD</sup><br />
* [https://www.parabola.nu/ Parabola] <sup>*2011</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/puppyrusa/ PuppyRus-A] <sup>*2013</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/rasparch/ RaspArch] <sup>*2015</sup><br />
* [https://swagarch.gitlab.io/ SwagArch] <sup>*2016</sup><br />
* [https://talkingarch.tk/ TalkingArch] <sup>*2008</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/telisc-os/ TeLiSc OS] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [http://ubos.net/ UBOS] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
<br />
== Inactivas ==<br />
<br />
Estas distribuciones ya no se desarrollan, pero muestran algo de la historia que rodea a Arch Linux y la gran comunidad de FOSS. Las secciones muestran el año de la última versión.<br />
<br />
=== 2017 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/alobearchlinuxoldboyeditionv1/ ALOBE]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbox-linux/ ArchBox]<br />
* [https://github.com/alwsl/alwsl Arch Linux WSL Edition]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/asemanos/ Aseman OS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/astian-os/ Astian OS]<br />
* [http://www.ap-linux.com/ Audiophile Linux] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/feliz/ Feliz]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos/ Ninja OS]<br />
* [http://nurunner.mkxt.net/index2.html Nurunner Linux]<br />
* [https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=sonar Sonar] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
<br />
=== 2016 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/alphaos/ alphaOS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/apricityos/ Apricity OS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-i3nemesis/ Arch i3Nemesis]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/architect-linux Architect]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archodi/ archodi]<br />
* [https://github.com/arkOScloud arkOS]<br />
* [https://github.com/arquetype/pacman-source Arquetype CRT]<br />
* [http://easy.open.and.free.fr/didjix/ DidJiX]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/miraclx-os/ Miraclx OS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/niixarch/ niixarch]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/architect-linux/ PacBang]<br />
* [https://velt.io Velt OS]<br />
<br />
=== 2015 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arber/ ArBer Linux]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/bridgelinux/ Bridge Linux]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/justbrowsing/ justbrowsing]<br />
* [https://kademar.org/productos/version-de-escritorio/ Kademar]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/mooos/ mooOS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/poliarch/ PoliArch]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/tuxhatlinux/ Tux Hat Linux]<br />
<br />
=== 2014 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://github.com/Arch-Linux-MIPS Arch Linux MIPS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/chaosdistro/ C.H.A.O.S.]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/deltalinux-obs/ Delta]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/devilzarch/ devilzarch]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/instarch/ instarch]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/mesklinux/ Mesk Linux]<br />
<br />
=== 2013 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arche17 ArchE17]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/luciferslinux/ Lucifer's Linux]<br />
<br />
=== 2012 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20120614085009/http://archlinuxppc.org/ Arch Linux PPC]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20140118130037/http://www.archserver.org/ ArchServer]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20120608055552/http://cdn.freesco.pl CDN Linux]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20141201064031/http://sourceforge.net/projects/connochaetos/ ConnochaetOS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/kahelos/ Kahel OS]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20120314025441/http://www.tommed.co.uk/ldr/ LDR]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/nosonja/ Nosonja]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sados/ SadOS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sfpenguin/ San Francisco Linux]<br />
<br />
=== 2011 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://code.google.com/archive/p/archlive/ Archlive]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20151001195223/http://ctkarch.org/ CTKArch]<br />
* [http://live.linux-gamers.net/ LinuX-gamers]<br />
<br />
=== 2010 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/ameosdist/ AmeOS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archone/ ArchOne]<br />
* [http://www.archpwn.org/ ArchPwn]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/elegance-linux/ Elegance]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/uknow4kids/ UKnow4Kids]<br />
* [https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=717249 Uzume Linux]<br />
<br />
=== 2009 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://code.google.com/archive/p/archlinux-i586/ archlive-i586]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20110202101442/http://blag.chaox.net/ Chaox]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20151212131030/http://www.enlisy.net/en/ Enlisy]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20090901203844/http://fireflylinux.com/ Firefly Linux]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20091227101903/http://en.maryanlinux.com/ Maryan Linux 2]<br />
<br />
=== 2008 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20081224231003/http://rusher.webhop.org/wordpress/?page_id=143 Arch Linux Modified]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20100918204659/http://www.faunos.com/ FaunOS]<br />
* [http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=shift Shift Linux] <sup>*2006</sup><br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20100125175854/http://code.google.com/p/uarch/ uArch]<br />
<br />
=== 2007 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20090726221110/http://archie.dotsrc.org/ Archie] <sup>*2005</sup><br />
* [http://marchlinux.wikidot.com/ March Linux]<br />
* [https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=underground Underground Desktop] <sup>*2005</sup><br />
<br />
=== 2006 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20110728041813/http://arch-egis.berlios.de/news.php Aegis Project]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20100213030324/http://sourceforge.net/projects/freshmeat_lowarch/ Lowarch]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20070528084125/http://www.kotek.net/minimax/ Minimax]<br />
<br />
=== 2004 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20090327055005/http://www.datavibe.net/~essiene/ale/ Arch Linux Embedded Project]<br />
<br />
== Véase también ==<br />
<br />
* [[Wikipedia:Arch Linux#Derivatives]]<br />
* [https://distrowatch.com/search.php?&basedon=Arch&status=All#simple DistroWatch distributions based on Arch]</div>Tullianahttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch-based_distributions&diff=552231Arch-based distributions2018-10-31T19:32:05Z<p>Tulliana: Archman web site added</p>
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This page lists OS distributions which are derived from Arch Linux '''either in whole or in part''', to help enforce the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark policy]]. Although it intends to be as comprehensive as possible, it is not an exhaustive list. SourceForge project links are preferred to simplify maintenance.<br />
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== Active ==<br />
<br />
Asterisk indicates the year of first public release based on Arch Linux.<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/alfheim-linux/ Alfheim Linux] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://anarchy-linux.org/ Anarchy Linux] <sup>*2015, previously Arch Anywhere</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos/ Antergos] <sup>*2012, previosly Cinnarch</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/ ArchBang] <sup>*2010</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archex/ ArchEX] <sup>*2011</sup><br />
* [https://archhurd.org/ Arch Hurd] <sup>*2010</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archlabs-linux-minimo/ ArchLabs] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://archlinux32.org/ Arch Linux 32] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://archlinuxarm.org/ Arch Linux ARM] <sup>*2009, previously Arch Linux Mobile, PlugApps, PlugBox</sup><br />
* [http://archman.org/en/ Archman GNU/Linux] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archphile/ Archphile] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
* [https://archstrike.org/ ArchStrike] <sup>*2014, previously ArchAssault</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-xferience/ Arch XFerience] <sup>*2016</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arcolinux/ ArcoLinux] <sup>*2017, previously ArchMerge</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/artix-linux/ Artix Linux] <sup>*2016, previously Arch-OpenRC</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/bbqlinux/ BBQLinux] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
* [https://blackarch.org/ BlackArch Linux] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/bluestarlinux/ Bluestar Linux] <sup>*2013</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/chakra/ Chakra] <sup>*2008</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/condres-os-gnu-linux/ Condres OS] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://ctlos.github.io/ Ctlos Linux] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://www.hyperbola.info/ Hyperbola] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/kaosx/ KaOS] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
* [http://linhes.org/ LinHES] <sup>*2009</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/magpieos/ MagpieOS] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjarolinux/ Manjaro Linux] <sup>*2011</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/morpheusarch-lxqt/ MorpheusArch]<sup>*2015</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/msys2/ MSYS2] <sup>*2013</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/namib-gnu-linux/ Namib] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/netrunneros/ Netrunner Rolling] <sup>*2015</sup><br />
* [https://web.obarun.org/ Obarun] <sup>*2016</sup><br />
* [https://www.pacbsd.org/ PacBSD] <sup>*2013, previously ArchBSD</sup><br />
* [https://www.parabola.nu/ Parabola] <sup>*2011</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/puppyrusa/ PuppyRus-A] <sup>*2013</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/rasparch/ RaspArch] <sup>*2015</sup><br />
* [https://swagarch.gitlab.io/ SwagArch] <sup>*2016</sup><br />
* [https://talkingarch.tk/ TalkingArch] <sup>*2008</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/telisc-os/ TeLiSc OS] <sup>*2017</sup><br />
* [http://ubos.net/ UBOS] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
<br />
== Inactive ==<br />
<br />
These distributions are no longer developed, but show some of the history surrounding Arch Linux and the greater FOSS community. Sections show the year of the latest release.<br />
<br />
=== 2017 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/alobearchlinuxoldboyeditionv1/ ALOBE]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbox-linux/ ArchBox]<br />
* [https://github.com/alwsl/alwsl Arch Linux WSL Edition]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/asemanos/ Aseman OS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/astian-os/ Astian OS]<br />
* [http://www.ap-linux.com/ Audiophile Linux] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/feliz/ Feliz]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos/ Ninja OS]<br />
* [http://nurunner.mkxt.net/index2.html Nurunner Linux]<br />
* [https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=sonar Sonar] <sup>*2014</sup><br />
<br />
=== 2016 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/alphaos/ alphaOS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/apricityos/ Apricity OS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-i3nemesis/ Arch i3Nemesis]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/architect-linux Architect]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archodi/ archodi]<br />
* [https://github.com/arkOScloud arkOS]<br />
* [https://github.com/arquetype/pacman-source Arquetype CRT]<br />
* [http://easy.open.and.free.fr/didjix/ DidJiX]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/miraclx-os/ Miraclx OS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/niixarch/ niixarch]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/architect-linux/ PacBang]<br />
* [https://velt.io Velt OS]<br />
<br />
=== 2015 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arber/ ArBer Linux]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/bridgelinux/ Bridge Linux]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/justbrowsing/ justbrowsing]<br />
* [https://kademar.org/productos/version-de-escritorio/ Kademar]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/mooos/ mooOS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/poliarch/ PoliArch]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/tuxhatlinux/ Tux Hat Linux]<br />
<br />
=== 2014 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://github.com/Arch-Linux-MIPS Arch Linux MIPS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/chaosdistro/ C.H.A.O.S.]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/deltalinux-obs/ Delta]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/devilzarch/ devilzarch]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/instarch/ instarch]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/mesklinux/ Mesk Linux]<br />
<br />
=== 2013 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arche17 ArchE17]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/luciferslinux/ Lucifer's Linux]<br />
<br />
=== 2012 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20120614085009/http://archlinuxppc.org/ Arch Linux PPC]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20140118130037/http://www.archserver.org/ ArchServer]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20120608055552/http://cdn.freesco.pl CDN Linux]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20141201064031/http://sourceforge.net/projects/connochaetos/ ConnochaetOS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/kahelos/ Kahel OS]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20120314025441/http://www.tommed.co.uk/ldr/ LDR]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/nosonja/ Nosonja]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sados/ SadOS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sfpenguin/ San Francisco Linux]<br />
<br />
=== 2011 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://code.google.com/archive/p/archlive/ Archlive]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20151001195223/http://ctkarch.org/ CTKArch]<br />
* [http://live.linux-gamers.net/ LinuX-gamers]<br />
<br />
=== 2010 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/ameosdist/ AmeOS]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archone/ ArchOne]<br />
* [http://www.archpwn.org/ ArchPwn]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/elegance-linux/ Elegance]<br />
* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/uknow4kids/ UKnow4Kids]<br />
* [https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=717249 Uzume Linux]<br />
<br />
=== 2009 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://code.google.com/archive/p/archlinux-i586/ archlive-i586]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20110202101442/http://blag.chaox.net/ Chaox]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20151212131030/http://www.enlisy.net/en/ Enlisy]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20090901203844/http://fireflylinux.com/ Firefly Linux]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20091227101903/http://en.maryanlinux.com/ Maryan Linux 2]<br />
<br />
=== 2008 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20081224231003/http://rusher.webhop.org/wordpress/?page_id=143 Arch Linux Modified]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20100918204659/http://www.faunos.com/ FaunOS]<br />
* [http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=shift Shift Linux] <sup>*2006</sup><br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20100125175854/http://code.google.com/p/uarch/ uArch]<br />
<br />
=== 2007 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20090726221110/http://archie.dotsrc.org/ Archie] <sup>*2005</sup><br />
* [http://marchlinux.wikidot.com/ March Linux]<br />
* [https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=underground Underground Desktop] <sup>*2005</sup><br />
<br />
=== 2006 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20110728041813/http://arch-egis.berlios.de/news.php Aegis Project]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20100213030324/http://sourceforge.net/projects/freshmeat_lowarch/ Lowarch]<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20070528084125/http://www.kotek.net/minimax/ Minimax]<br />
<br />
=== 2004 ===<br />
<br />
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20090327055005/http://www.datavibe.net/~essiene/ale/ Arch Linux Embedded Project]<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[Wikipedia:Arch Linux#Derivatives]]<br />
* [https://distrowatch.com/search.php?&basedon=Arch&status=All#simple DistroWatch distributions based on Arch]</div>Tulliana