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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Contributing&diff=804379&oldid=804290
ArchWiki talk:Contributing
2024-03-23T17:17:10Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">How to properly add links to edit summary?: </span> Suggested action taken, discussion closed.</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== How to properly add links to edit summary? ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><s></ins>How to properly add links to edit summary?<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></s> </ins>==</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Contributing#Always_properly_use_the_edit_summary]] says:</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Contributing#Always_properly_use_the_edit_summary]] says:</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I've added a link to [[Help:Editing#Internal links]]. — [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 08:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I've added a link to [[Help:Editing#Internal links]]. — [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 08:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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Zosoled
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Translation_Team&diff=804362&oldid=799532
ArchWiki talk:Translation Team
2024-03-23T13:32:34Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Interlanguage links are not visible anymore in the preview: </span> update link</span></p>
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Erus Iluvatar
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=804361&oldid=803463
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-23T13:31:07Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Disabling (some) archival redirections: </span> Removing old discussion, since it's been closed for more than a week but the user closing it did not remove it yet</span></p>
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Erus Iluvatar
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Contributing&diff=804290&oldid=804174
ArchWiki talk:Contributing
2024-03-23T08:52:54Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">How to properly add links to edit summary?: </span> re</span></p>
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Lahwaacz
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Contributing&diff=804174&oldid=789690
ArchWiki talk:Contributing
2024-03-23T01:47:46Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">How to properly add links to edit summary?: </span> new section</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::I did not tried to "hide behind a famous namesake" at all. I just wanted my project name to be descriptive and not conflicting with their executable (git-mw). I can rename it, maybe like "gitify-mediawiki". But that (or other suggestions) should be better discussed in the project itself, instead of in Arch Wiki. [[User:Ashark|Ashark]] ([[User talk:Ashark|talk]]) 06:57, 10 October 2023 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::I did not tried to "hide behind a famous namesake" at all. I just wanted my project name to be descriptive and not conflicting with their executable (git-mw). I can rename it, maybe like "gitify-mediawiki". But that (or other suggestions) should be better discussed in the project itself, instead of in Arch Wiki. [[User:Ashark|Ashark]] ([[User talk:Ashark|talk]]) 06:57, 10 October 2023 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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Zosoled
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Requests&diff=803467&oldid=795190
ArchWiki talk:Requests
2024-03-16T10:10:52Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Arch's git URLs: </span> strike exhausted entry</span></p>
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Erus Iluvatar
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=803463&oldid=803420
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-16T10:00:15Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Add a rule about regulating self promotion: </span> re, close</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Self promotion, whether done "malicously" or not, has, in my view, been increasing here. It has been present in the past and will be present in the future. We do not have any rule we can refer to and that often causes unnecessary conflicts between people undoing the self promotion and the one adding it.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Self promotion, whether done "malicously" or not, has, in my view, been increasing here. It has been present in the past and will be present in the future. We do not have any rule we can refer to and that often causes unnecessary conflicts between people undoing the self promotion and the one adding it.</div></td></tr>
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Erus Iluvatar
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=803420&oldid=803331
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-16T07:01:47Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Disabling (some) archival redirections: </span> re</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Many articles of old software or old advice are archived. This is understandable.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Many articles of old software or old advice are archived. This is understandable.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::How about redirecting archived articles to alternatives OR if no alternatives exist to a section of a non-archived article that explains why tool X was deprecated. E.g: [[netstat]] is deprecated but it redirects to [[Network_configuration#Investigate_sockets]] section which provides the alternative OR explains the reason for deprecation. No stubs will be harmed in this process. [[User:AvidSeeker|AvidSeeker]] ([[User talk:AvidSeeker|talk]]) 19:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::How about redirecting archived articles to alternatives OR if no alternatives exist to a section of a non-archived article that explains why tool X was deprecated. E.g: [[netstat]] is deprecated but it redirects to [[Network_configuration#Investigate_sockets]] section which provides the alternative OR explains the reason for deprecation. No stubs will be harmed in this process. [[User:AvidSeeker|AvidSeeker]] ([[User talk:AvidSeeker|talk]]) 19:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=803331&oldid=803317
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-15T19:41:08Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Disabling (some) archival redirections: </span> Reply</span></p>
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ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-15T18:24:51Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Disabling (some) archival redirections: </span> edit</span></p>
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ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-15T17:05:49Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Disabling (some) archival redirections: </span> re</span></p>
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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=803277&oldid=802790
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-15T13:55:22Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Disabling (some) archival redirections: </span> dis pages</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Unlike redirects, stub pages clutter the search results and category pages. Somebody would also have to ''maintain'' these stub pages to ensure that the additional hints are correct. This is pretty useless since most of the time people are not interested in outdated, historical information. If we expect that many people are still interested in a particular topic, we would not archive the page in the first place. — [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 12:14, 10 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Unlike redirects, stub pages clutter the search results and category pages. Somebody would also have to ''maintain'' these stub pages to ensure that the additional hints are correct. This is pretty useless since most of the time people are not interested in outdated, historical information. If we expect that many people are still interested in a particular topic, we would not archive the page in the first place. — [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 12:14, 10 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=802790&oldid=802594
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-10T12:14:16Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Disabling (some) archival redirections: </span> re</span></p>
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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=802594&oldid=802591
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-08T14:00:40Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Add a rule about regulating self promotion: </span> Reply</span></p>
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ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-08T13:32:01Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Add a rule about regulating self promotion: </span> edit re</span></p>
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ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
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<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Enable the DiscussionTools extension: </span> remove completed discussion since there was no activity for a while</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">When preparing [https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/infrastructure/-/merge_requests/747 the merge request] for MediaWiki 1.40 it was noted on IRC that it also ships [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DiscussionTools Extension:DiscussionTools]. Some people were in favor of adding it, but [https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/infrastructure/-/merge_requests/747#note_114449 it was noted] that this should still be discussed here so people not on IRC could voice their opinions aswell! </del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I am very much in favor of adding it after testing it for a bit.</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:What do we gain by enabling this extension? -- [[User:nl6720|nl6720]] ([[User talk:nl6720|talk]]) 12:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:+1 from me if it means we don't waste our time with [[Template:Unsigned]] --[[User:Erus Iluvatar|Erus Iluvatar]] ([[User talk:Erus Iluvatar|talk]]) 14:53, 2 August 2023 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:Looks like no major downsides have emerged since this has been enabled, let's close this :) --[[User:Erus Iluvatar|Erus Iluvatar]] ([[User talk:Erus Iluvatar|talk]]) 11:09, 26 October 2023 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=802453&oldid=802365
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-06T19:39:21Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Visited links are gray: </span> Removing old discussion, since it's been closed for more than a week but the user closing it did not remove it yet</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{Unsigned|07:30, 16 May 2021 (UTC)|Glibg10b}}</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: From an accssibility/usability perspective, this is a terrible choice; something with some contrast for colourblind or visually impaired people would be a much better choice. [[User:Jasonwryan|Jasonwryan]] ([[User talk:Jasonwryan|talk]]) 06:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:: Which color would you prefer for visited links? The [https://archlinux.org/ archweb] site currently uses the same color for visited and unvisited links, which effectively disabled highlighting visited links... — [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 18:52, 4 June 2021 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::: Sorry, I missed this reply :p I would probably opt for the standard purple: it should provide sufficient contrast for low/impaired vision readers and will be familiar to anyone from the early web. No idea how graphic designers will react to it tho... [[User:Jasonwryan|Jasonwryan]] ([[User talk:Jasonwryan|talk]]) 00:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::: I totally agree with [[User:Jasonwryan|Jasonwryan]]; one cannot differentiate a normal text from a visited link in ArchWiki for the current color scheme but they are semantically different so should look different. Of course everyone can change this from the Wiki preferences but the default one should provide an acceptable UX as well IMHO. [[User:Ismailarilik|Ismailarilik]] ([[User talk:Ismailarilik|talk]]) 09:20, 24 May 2023 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:There was an [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Help_talk%3AStyle&diff=prev&oldid=355277&diffmode=source#Visited_links_color old discussion] about this, which resulted in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Archlinux.css&diff=prev&oldid=353711 changing the color of visited links to #357]. But the [[MediaWiki:Archlinux.css]] file is not applied since years before 2020 and the #357 color was never migrated to the right place. At this point I think we can start a new discussion about which color should be used. The candidates:</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:* <span style="color: #70b; font-weight: bold">#70b</span> (based on the current default link color <span style="color: #07b; font-weight: bold">#07b</span>)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:* <span style="color: #795cb2; font-weight: bold">#795cb2</span> (MediaWiki default)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:— [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 15:56, 7 October 2023 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::IMO the default from MediaWiki looks the best, though the two other options based on blue link colors are fine. -- [[User:Erus Iluvatar|Erus Iluvatar]] ([[User talk:Erus Iluvatar|talk]]) 17:20, 7 October 2023 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::+1 for '''#795cb2''' (MediaWiki default) [[User:Ms|Ms]] ([[User talk:Ms|talk]]) 20:03, 13 January 2024 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::Note that 795cb2 was [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T213778 specifically vetted to fit accessibility guidelines.] As a result it also no longer has the wiki distinguish between internal and external links, but it doesn't seem like this wiki did that in the first place (except all links that aren't the UI are bolded for some reason? and "switch to old look" uses a completely different color?). I definitely prefer it over the current grey. [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 20:51, 13 January 2024 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
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<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Disabling (some) archival redirections: </span> typo 7 -> 1</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Sure, the user can manually go to article history or see the discussion page, but why go through this instead of summarizing the current state of the topic? [[User:AvidSeeker|AvidSeeker]] ([[User talk:AvidSeeker|talk]]) 07:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Sure, the user can manually go to article history or see the discussion page, but why go through this instead of summarizing the current state of the topic? [[User:AvidSeeker|AvidSeeker]] ([[User talk:AvidSeeker|talk]]) 07:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-05T07:41:25Z
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">== Disabling (some) archival redirections ==</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">My suggestion is instead of redirecting to ArchWiki:Archive, do this instead:</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">1. clear the content of the original page </ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">2. insert the intro stated in ArchWiki:Archive</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Example: upower is an archived page, but as a user wanting to learn more about it, the redirection is not helpful. It would make more sense if the article explained these four things I listed.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Sure, the user can manually go to article history or see the discussion page, but why go through this instead of summarizing the current state of the topic? [[User:AvidSeeker|AvidSeeker]] ([[User talk:AvidSeeker|talk]]) 07:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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AvidSeeker
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=802210&oldid=802209
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-03T22:04:50Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Add a rule about regulating self promotion: </span> Reply</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::It's true that the "transitive notability" no longer holds in that case. Perhaps we could hint in [[ArchWiki:Contributing]] that "self-promoted" content ''may'' be deleted without warning, e.g. in [[ArchWiki:Contributing#Improving]]. This might be throwing out the baby with the bathwater, though, since one of the core tenets in Arch is sharing of new projects to the community, i.e. [https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewforum.php?id=27]. A blanket ban on "self-promotion" would be like requiring explicit approval from the forum moderators before a topic in Community contributions can be published. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 21:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::It's true that the "transitive notability" no longer holds in that case. Perhaps we could hint in [[ArchWiki:Contributing]] that "self-promoted" content ''may'' be deleted without warning, e.g. in [[ArchWiki:Contributing#Improving]]. This might be throwing out the baby with the bathwater, though, since one of the core tenets in Arch is sharing of new projects to the community, i.e. [https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewforum.php?id=27]. A blanket ban on "self-promotion" would be like requiring explicit approval from the forum moderators before a topic in Community contributions can be published. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 21:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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Erus Iluvatar
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=802209&oldid=802175
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-03T21:59:25Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Add a rule about regulating self promotion: </span> re</span></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::Strictly speaking I'm fine with removing project links, if there was no AUR package added in a reasonable time frame. It's a sign upstream or their communities have no real interest in Arch. That being said, it's unclear if this is actually beneficial to users. [[:Category:Pages with missing package links]] shows relevant projects (e.g. borbpdf in [[PDF,_PS_and_DjVu#Python]]) that someone could easily pick up and package for Arch, should they not be satisfied with the packaged alternatives listed. </ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::It's true that the "transitive notability" no longer holds in that case. Perhaps we could hint in [[ArchWiki:Contributing]] that "self-promoted" content ''may'' be deleted without warning, e.g. in [[ArchWiki:Contributing#Improving]]. This might be throwing out the baby with the bathwater, though, since one of the core tenets in Arch is sharing of new projects to the community, i.e. [https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewforum.php?id=27]. A blanket ban on "self-promotion" would be like requiring explicit approval from the forum moderators before a topic in Community contributions can be published. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 21:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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Alad
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=802175&oldid=802151
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-03T18:42:38Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Add a rule about regulating self promotion: </span> Reply</span></p>
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Erus Iluvatar
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=802151&oldid=802144
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-03T14:40:49Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Add a rule about regulating self promotion: </span> transitive notability</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:''Not a wiki team member, but have some technical pinpoints.''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:''Not a wiki team member, but have some technical pinpoints.''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:#The commercial part is covered by the code of conduct. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I can understand the reasoning but don't think it's worthwhile overall.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</del>#Encouraging authors to document their projects upstream seems <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">valid </del>at first. (I remember a case where someone created an article for a [[picom]] fork they created, with most content copied, and the project eventually dying out.) The obvious place to add this would be [[Help:Editing#Creating_pages]]. This creates an ambiguity however: what if the project is an ''Arch'' project? Is it prohibited to document it on the wiki, even though it is clearly relevant to Arch?</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>#The commercial part is covered by the code of conduct. </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</del>#<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I find a blanket "do not add" clause </del>for [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">List of applications</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">excessive</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">s hard to argue what</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">s notable and what not: see </del>the complex legalese in [[w:Wikipedia:Notability]]. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">-1 on that. </del>Package requirements are already mentioned in the first paragraph of [[List of applications]]: </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>#Encouraging authors to document their projects upstream seems <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">reasonable </ins>at first. (I remember a case where someone created an article for a [[picom]] fork they created, with most content copied, and the project eventually dying out.) The obvious place to add this would be [[Help:Editing#Creating_pages]]. This creates an ambiguity however: what if the project is an ''Arch'' project? Is it prohibited to document it on the wiki, even though it is clearly relevant to Arch?</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</del>::This article is a general list of applications sorted by category, as a reference for those looking for '''packages'''.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>#<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It's fine to have notability criteria </ins>for <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''specific articles'', where what is notable and what isn't can be clearly defined. This is already done in some articles like </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">AUR helpers</ins>]]. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">However, doing the same ''in general</ins>'' <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">is difficult. See </ins>the complex legalese in [[w:Wikipedia:Notability]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">for example</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=802144&oldid=802143
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-03T14:09:53Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Enable the DiscussionTools extension: </span> was done quite some time ago</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>When preparing [https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/infrastructure/-/merge_requests/747 the merge request] for MediaWiki 1.40 it was noted on IRC that it also ships [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DiscussionTools Extension:DiscussionTools]. Some people were in favor of adding it, but [https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/infrastructure/-/merge_requests/747#note_114449 it was noted] that this should still be discussed here so people not on IRC could voice their opinions aswell! </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>When preparing [https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/infrastructure/-/merge_requests/747 the merge request] for MediaWiki 1.40 it was noted on IRC that it also ships [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DiscussionTools Extension:DiscussionTools]. Some people were in favor of adding it, but [https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/infrastructure/-/merge_requests/747#note_114449 it was noted] that this should still be discussed here so people not on IRC could voice their opinions aswell! </div></td></tr>
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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=802143&oldid=801895
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-03T14:08:17Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Add a rule about regulating self promotion: </span> fix link</span></p>
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Alad
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=801895&oldid=801893
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-02T18:32:08Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Add a rule about regulating self promotion: </span> Reply</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::-- [[User:Erus Iluvatar|Erus Iluvatar]] ([[User talk:Erus Iluvatar|talk]]) 17:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::-- [[User:Erus Iluvatar|Erus Iluvatar]] ([[User talk:Erus Iluvatar|talk]]) 17:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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Hanabishi
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=801893&oldid=801883
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-02T17:03:42Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Add a rule about regulating self promotion: </span> Reply</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:''Not a wiki team member, but have some technical pinpoints.''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:''Not a wiki team member, but have some technical pinpoints.''</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:* It is hard to find and proof affiliation. People can switch accounts etc. Better to consider all links to proprietary/paid products as advertisement, regardless of editor affiliation and intentions.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:* It is hard to find and proof affiliation. People can switch accounts etc. Better to consider all links to proprietary/paid products as advertisement, regardless of editor affiliation and intentions.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:[[User:Hanabishi|Hanabishi]] ([[User talk:Hanabishi|talk]]) 15:24, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:[[User:Hanabishi|Hanabishi]] ([[User talk:Hanabishi|talk]]) 15:24, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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Erus Iluvatar
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=801883&oldid=801872
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-02T15:24:35Z
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Hanabishi
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=801872&oldid=801853
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-02T11:31:59Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Add a rule about regulating self promotion: </span> re</span></p>
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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=801853&oldid=801847
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-02T05:05:13Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Add a rule about regulating self promotion: </span> Reply</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:* Projects added to [[List of applications]] or any other well-populated categories must be notable and relevant. Projects should have substantial functionality, especially if there exist well-established alternatives. If unsure, you should first ask for permission in the [[Arch IRC channels|#archlinux-wiki IRC channel]] before adding a project made by you or somebody else.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:* Projects added to [[List of applications]] or any other well-populated categories must be notable and relevant. Projects should have substantial functionality, especially if there exist well-established alternatives. If unsure, you should first ask for permission in the [[Arch IRC channels|#archlinux-wiki IRC channel]] before adding a project made by you or somebody else.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:As for the potential edge case, I think it can be left unspoken. I think FOSS contributors know who they are, as opposed to more traditional companies who would require some very precise word selection to properly exclude. -- [[User:CodingKoopa|CodingKoopa]] ([[User talk:CodingKoopa|talk]]) 02:02, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:As for the potential edge case, I think it can be left unspoken. I think FOSS contributors know who they are, as opposed to more traditional companies who would require some very precise word selection to properly exclude. -- [[User:CodingKoopa|CodingKoopa]] ([[User talk:CodingKoopa|talk]]) 02:02, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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Erus Iluvatar
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=801847&oldid=801842
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-02T02:02:42Z
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Yes, this is harshly written but its just a proposal yada yada. [[User:NetSysFire|NetSysFire]] ([[User talk:NetSysFire|talk]]) 21:52, 1 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Yes, this is harshly written but its just a proposal yada yada. [[User:NetSysFire|NetSysFire]] ([[User talk:NetSysFire|talk]]) 21:52, 1 March 2024 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:One way of making it seem less harsh might be to present it as a "notability" requirement; after all, if there isn't commercial incentive, then I don't think the issue is with projects being self-advertised so much as them being low-quality. I also think that, above all, they should be encouraged to ask if unsure. I started out by just including the IRC channel since talk pages can go unnoticed. My take on the last bullet:</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:As for the potential edge case, I think it can be left unspoken. I think FOSS contributors know who they are, as opposed to more traditional companies who would require some very precise word selection to properly exclude. -- [[User:CodingKoopa|CodingKoopa]] ([[User talk:CodingKoopa|talk]]) 02:02, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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CodingKoopa
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team&diff=801842&oldid=800562
ArchWiki talk:Maintenance Team
2024-03-01T21:52:02Z
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::As explained in [https://lists.archlinux.org/hyperkitty/list/arch-general@lists.archlinux.org/message/NAMALP3HLURCPGNUS7UKCIWJHHPBKNW5/], it looks like this was a misunderstanding due to an outdated GitHub repository description. archlinux-ostree is not a "personal script" anymore, it's a generic tool that intends to support every partition scheme and usecase that is supported by Arch Linux. I've updated the guide to make the purpose of the tool more clear and have also addressed feedback from the mailing list. Please let me know, if this affects your decision. -- [[User:M1cha|M1cha]] ([[User talk:M1cha|talk]]) 18:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::As explained in [https://lists.archlinux.org/hyperkitty/list/arch-general@lists.archlinux.org/message/NAMALP3HLURCPGNUS7UKCIWJHHPBKNW5/], it looks like this was a misunderstanding due to an outdated GitHub repository description. archlinux-ostree is not a "personal script" anymore, it's a generic tool that intends to support every partition scheme and usecase that is supported by Arch Linux. I've updated the guide to make the purpose of the tool more clear and have also addressed feedback from the mailing list. Please let me know, if this affects your decision. -- [[User:M1cha|M1cha]] ([[User talk:M1cha|talk]]) 18:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">== Add a rule about regulating self promotion ==</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Self promotion, whether done "malicously" or not, has, in my view, been increasing here. It has been present in the past and will be present in the future. We do not have any rule we can refer to and that often causes unnecessary conflicts between people undoing the self promotion and the one adding it.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">One of the most infamous cases on here is, in my opinion, when we still had the hosting provider list in [[Arch Linux on a VPS]], various small hosting providers have actually signed up here just to add whats essentially an advertisement to the list.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">But there are also cases of where developers offload their README.md here. Or advertise their freshly started, immature, very small and essentially irrelevant projects (not referring to a specific case here, I say this because there was a very recent case) in a well populated category in [[List of applications]]. No, we do not need another bash email client there. Or tar wrapper.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* Absolutely no self promotion if you commercially benefit from it. These are advertisements and we do not need advertisements here.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">** This includes affliate links.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">** Potential edge case: What if a project dev of e.g Godot, which runs on donations, comes here and adds some utils into e.g one of the List of applications pages? It depends on the actual content of course but this sounds okay.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* Do not put documentation for your project here. This is not a place for READMEs. However, feel free to improve ''already existing'' documentation added by your users.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Yes, this is harshly written but its just a proposal yada yada. [[User:NetSysFire|NetSysFire]] ([[User talk:NetSysFire|talk]]) 21:52, 1 March 2024 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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