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Deletion policy

Currently our policy for closed discussions is to delete them after a while. The advantage is that it's very easy to do, but on the other hand it makes it much harder to retrieve old important discussions that for example justified some decisions in the past. In fact, I can remember (briefly) discussing this very policy a long time ago somewhere, but I'm not even attempting to look for it, as it would probably take me half an hour...

Wikipedia uses another policy: they archive old discussions in Archive subpages, so that they'll always appear e.g. in search results. I'd like to discuss (more than propose) here whether such policy would better suit our wiki as well.

We may even create an "Archive" namespace and use its talk pages as archives, so as to allow better filtering the searches.

Finally, I think that I could automate the process of moving a closed discussion to an Archive page with Wiki Monkey, if we found that the added manual work is the only disadvantage.

-- Kynikos (talk) 06:20, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

The biggest problem of the archive-by-moving method is that it is necessary to update all links to the archived discussion. Therefore the archiving process would be practically limited to using a bot.
Personally, I find the archive scheme used on Wikipedia rather disorganized - IMO the "Archive" namespace would be better than subpages of the talkpage. They also have some archiving templates to ease browsing of large archives (I found one with ~120 pages), not sure if we need this. But wikipedia:Template:Hidden_archive_top certainly looks interesting, maybe we can just archive-by-hiding and leave the discussion in the original place (possibly moving to the top)? This way we would not have to update the links...
If we agree on some archiving method, shall we archive all discussions or only the relevant (missing definition) and delete the others?
-- Lahwaacz (talk) 10:51, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Well, I wouldn't require updating the links to archived discussions: if, after following a link to a talk page, the section is not found, a user should be aware of the fact that the discussion may have been archived, so (s)he should look in the appropriate Archive page, just like now (s)he's forced to look in the history. In fact, we're not currently requiring updating links to deleted discussions either.
I haven't tested wikipedia:Template:Hidden_archive_top, I don't really think its javascript is installed in our wiki, however such a system would indeed clean up the html talk page, but it would leave the source text too messy, which is something I wouldn't like.
Only archiving "relevant" discussions would be ideal, the problem is indeed defining "relevant" so well and briefly that it doesn't take 10 minutes to a user to understand whether to delete or archive a discussion (most likely ending up choosing the third option "give up").
-- Kynikos (talk) 09:19, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
From my own experience, I rarely have to dig into talk page history. So I just wonder if archiving history is really worth the effort?
However, if you do think it is needed and could be done through a bot, you have my +1 here.
--Fengchao (talk) 07:18, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Let's keep this on hold, meanwhile of course the current policy (just delete) remains enforced. -- Kynikos (talk) 13:59, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Let's rename?

As I already mentioned in Help_talk:Category#Does this page need to be improved?, we could move this page to Help:Discussions, i.e. use a plural form. It sounds better (in Russian too :) and will be more consistent with other ArchWiki pages (it seems there're much more pages where nouns in titles is in plural than in singular form). Same proposal for Help:Template. — blackx (talk|contribs) 06:15, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

This is related to Help_talk:Style#Titles:_singular_or_plural.3F, which I think should be resolved first, there are no guidelines on this subject yet, even for regular pages. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 08:21, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Hm, thanks for pointing this out Lahwaacz! In this case let's wait until that discussion will be finished. — blackx (talk|contribs) 08:27, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Mmm, forgot to mention Help:Style/White space as a candidate for renaming — blackx (talk|contribs) 09:39, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
I've proposed an idea for Help talk:Style#Titles: singular or plural?: if agreed upon, I'm in favor of renaming this page and Help:Template; I'm against renaming Help:Style/White space because I perceive "white space" as uncountable (the "space" in general, not the class of the single space characters). -- Kynikos (talk) 02:42, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Okay, also please don't forget to pay attention on Help:Category.
About Help:Style/White space: I agree, "whitespaces" or "white spaces" is not correct. We could consider "whitespace characters" as a new title, but with a "Help:Style/" it becomes really long :D — blackx (talk|contribs) 07:02, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Don't worry Help talk:Category is in my todo list :) I'll get back to all this after completing more urgent tasks. -- Kynikos (talk) 02:52, 27 December 2014 (UTC)