User talk:Alad

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Delete my contribution

Hi Alad, I saw you deleted my Chromium contribution because chrome as is a binary losses transparency for the user if it installs in a user repo. I think that for the advanced users is more easily to use yaourt and makepkg, but for the novice and average is better having a easy way to install and update it without exiting from pacman

And.. Why removed the 64 bit note? This is relatively new and it applies to chrome and not only the user repo

Readded the note with [1]
As to novices, why shouldn't they just use Chromium? This is the supported version in Arch, and less prone to breakage as always linked against latest packages in the repos (see e.g. [2]).
In other words, Google Chrome is more for advanced users anyway (of course, novices should read and understand AUR, makepkg and pacman regardless), and in this case there's no speed difference between AUR and user repository. -- Alad (talk) 07:54, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Because Chromium doesnt have flash-player, inbuilt pdf support, or DRM support, and the simple user doesnt want to worry about this things and wants a browser with this privative addons inbuilt (I'm not this type of user, but a lot yes)
And, is (a lot) faster to add a user repo and do "pacman -Sy google-chrome" and that the program updates when are updates, that installing base-devel, a aur helper (Or searching, downloading, unpacking, and doing makepkg), and compile dependencies and installing chrome, and then being aware of updates
Besides, is not the only pkg that has referencies to an user repo, and the novices doesnt want to read and understand all for having chrome
(Also I not want to sound rude with you, I dont know to talk better in English) Kprkpr (talk) 09:26, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Chromium has the PDF reader since v37 [3]. The widevine plugin is one file, and no longer depends on a specific version (see the 2016-01-21 16:53 comment on chromium-widevineAUR). chromium-pepperflashAUR is not as well maintained but works fine 99% of the time, as long as you don't do partial upgrades (which you suggest with pacman -Sy, see System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported). On the other hand, Google Chrome is closed-source and ships it own set of libraries, which you're stuck with.
But this isn't about Chrome vs. Chromium, but only the inclusion of that repo. In ArchWiki (and in general, Arch Linux) transparency is much preferred over (a subjective interpretation) of the "easiest" way. In particular, users who don't wish to follow instructions would not do well with Arch.
Not that clicking the google-chromeAUR link, clicking Download snapshot, and running makepkg -i in the directory is hard... you even get email notifications for AUR updates now. And the vast majority of Arch users will have base-devel installed already.
Feel free to point me to other pages which refer to user repositories for package installation. I'm aware the Steam page links to a user repository, but it contains a few dozen packages to get Steam running in "native" mode. -- Alad (talk) 09:49, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
(I didnt suggest partial upgrades, it's a crazy thing, only for install the package updating pacman database I say that)
The pdf inbuilt and widevine solutions my fault sorry, but for flash, is using aur again..
Yes, and I use AUR and pkgbuild things every week for updating and building things, for me is easy, but for other people maybe not.. I only added that in the page as an option for people that didnt want to use aur, or doesnt have to install base-devel things, maybe because the computer doesnt have ram/space/etc for compiling, maybe becuase they dont want, I dont know, I personnaly use and contribute to aur
In the Steam page, I contributed putting how to install the AUR libraries for running native, without the repo, as an option too
Other packages that have that in the wiki.. I only remember Powerpill Aura(In source package section). I dont remember more, but I dont know why don't write as an option.. But ok Kprkpr (talk) 13:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Yes and "only install and update the database" is exactly that, a partial upgrade. Use pacman -Syu to avoid any doubt.
If you think something is unclear on the AUR, makepkg and/or pacman pages, you're welcome to open a discussion in their respective talk pages.
As to compiling – as said, all google-chromeAUR does is unpack an archive from Google, there's no compiling involved. Except when you'd install the package from a repo, you wouldn't be aware of that (and having some indication of what unsupported content does is vital).
Thanks for adding the section to steam; I've just replaced lib32-libudev.so.0AUR with lib32-libudev0AUR as overriding a soname bump is a bad idea. -- Alad (talk) 14:09, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Ok
The change in the steam page causes to steam to not work right in some systems or not compile at all, thats why I say install lib32-libudev.so.0AUR , the other doesnt works right Kprkpr (talk) 14:17, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Then report it on the comment page of that AUR package. The "convenience repo" managed to build udev 182. I'm not having any crazy hacks like soname bumps on this wiki. -- Alad (talk) 14:19, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
edit: I've went ahead and commented myself. -- Alad (talk) 14:24, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
I know soname bumps is not the best idea, but is about making the things work right for the people (the wiki is point of reference for all), not for one person, if in aur gets fixed and works and is better, put it in Steam page. If not..you can say any of two is valid if it compiles and runs, but when I posted it, they didnt work. And, in the aur of lib32-libudev.so.0AUR recommends it over the other because the other doesnt works right. Kprkpr (talk) 14:32, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Try the PKGBUILD posted in the comments: [4]. Builds for me. -- Alad (talk) 14:37, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
The PKGBUILD in comments (The url you shared me) compiled for me and worked in steam right, the solution is that this PKGBUILD were the AUR one and not in comments,but yes,that works Kprkpr (talk) 14:51, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
I don't know if/when the AUR package will be updated. For now, I've added the ptpb link to the article. -- Alad (talk) 14:12, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Alucryd update the package, closing. -- Alad (talk) 13:13, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Recent changes to VirtualBox article

Moved to Talk:VirtualBox. -- Alad (talk) 12:35, 19 May 2016 (UTC)