User talk:Kynikos/Xyne-related pages

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Bauerbill & friends dicontinued

I've e-mailed Xyne, but he hasn't responded yet. How do you propose to deal with [[1]]. Searching the wiki for those apps shows many pages that need to be edited. Do we fix the urls and point to the e.g. bauerbill's wiki page or ...? Karol 10:16, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

I suggest we change the urls to http://xyne.archlinux.ca/old_projects/ and remove the links to atm nonexistent AUR packages (they have already been removed from AUR). Karol 10:29, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

Uhm this looks like a difficult task... You are right, many pages are involved, even the Beginners' Guide makes reference to Powerpill. First thing, I would add a Warning, not just a Note in those pages, something like this:
Warning: Powerpill development has been officially discontinued: its latest version does not work with pacman>=3.5. See [2].
(Links with query strings in templates don't work because of '=' characters: just change them with '='). Note that Powerpill and all the other apps seem not to work with pacman >=3.5, not just >3.5.
About the links, I think your idea of pointing to Xyne's old projects page is great, but I would do that also for links that at the moment point to AUR (so I don't think we should remove them altogether) or possibly to an official repository (powerpill was in community). http://xyne.archlinux.ca/old_projects/ is ok, but also its project-specific subpages are good candidates for link replacement.
Last thing, I think the best systematical method to search for the pages with references to those packages is using the wiki advanced search using 'xyne' and the packages' names as keywords. -- Kynikos 11:28, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
Ah, of course for references like the one in the Beginners' Guide, I would apply the policy of complete removal. -- Kynikos 11:31, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
OK, I will start editing the pages in a couple hours. Substituting http://xyne.archlinux.ca/old_projects/foo for AUR links is a great idea.
How do you propose to deal with e.g. bauerbill used in code examples in Bauerbill.fish or [3]? Karol 12:37, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
About Bauerbill.fish I would just add the warning as shown above; about [4] I would remove the line that refers to bauerbill, since it already seems to have a working alternative.
Maybe we could list here all the pages that we edit (with the date of edit), so that when Xyne will have released his replacement for powerpill/bauerbill we'll be able to restore easily the deleted content.
It seems we already agree on the editing policy, I can start helping you this evening, very likely after dinner (CET). -- Kynikos 13:17, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
I've already had some yummy pancakes and I'm starting the editing campaign. I will list the pages I edit and later we can move the list to its own page. Karol 13:42, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
Wow, you eat way too early! You've probably already done everything by yourself! ^^
I think in the end the list could be moved to a subpage of Xyne's user page, if he wants to host it. Instead of the bare links, I would point each link to the range of diffs in each history's page that shows these edits.
Maybe I'll remove those unnecessary and quite ugly double brackets around the link in the warnings (one couple is enough); I will also try to see if you have missed some article, though I doubt it :) -- Kynikos 15:40, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
I am going to add the link to the diffs. Sometimes my changes look rather silly: Perl_Package_Guidelines#Automation (I've changed the second warning and removed the extra "[]" - do you like it better?). I sure could use some of your talents here :-) Karol 15:54, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
You're doing great! I'll check all the list for possible improvements, but your job is already more than enough!
I've happened to edit also KDE, but then I've seen that you had already edited it (it was not in the list): maybe we follow different policies in these situations; I think that as the projects are completely dead, they shouldn't be referenced at all except in the pages that are directly related to them. What's your opinion? -- Kynikos 16:15, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
I haven't listed all my edits, only those that I thought would need to be removed when Xyne releases his new apps. The list of all my edits is here.
I must have misunderstood what you meant by "for references like the one in the Beginners' Guide" - I'm for removing the references (as I already did on some pages) and keeping just e.g. the Reflector page. Karol 16:39, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
CD Burning do you really want to revert to previous version when Xyne releases the updated bauerbill? I think 'pacman wrappers' or a link to AUR_Helpers is enough. Karol 16:48, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
Uhm I was talking especially about the KDE page: you had just changed a reference to Reflector by linking it to its article, then I removed it altogether (I had not seen your edit yet); when I saw your edit I wondered why you had left the reference instead of removing it, and with your last post here I admit I understand even less... ^^'
About CD Burning, I just pasted it there in order to check it later, but you're perfectly right ;) -- Kynikos 17:01, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
I thought you wanted to remove the references e.g. in the Beginners' Guide to make it less complicated for the newcomers and I thought you wanted to keep all the other references and add warnings. I was wrong, but that's OK, because I don't mind removing the references and keeping only the main articles like Reflector or Bauerbill.
Do you still want to change the '[]' in the warnings? Karol 17:16, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
(I hope you have a wide screen, this indenting thing is becoming obtrusive ihih
Well, let's say that we decide what to keep and what not in a per-article base, it's not that important in the end, especially with respect to the overall style (in)coherence of the wiki... :) At the moment let's leave things as they are, ok?
Of course I want to remove the extra brackets in links: if you want to do it you can do it, otherwise I won't mind doing it by myself. -- Kynikos 17:37, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
Just to make sure: you want only the extra '[]' gone from the warnings or something else? I'm not going to touch any Italian article, I promise ;P Karol 17:48, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
Yep, I'm referring only to the link in the warning. But it's not that I "want" that to be done, it's just an idea of mine: if you think they're fine with double btackets I won't question it. Double brackets, though, are required only for internal links. -- Kynikos 18:01, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
"=" instead of "=" solves the problem and we can (and, as you pointed out, we should) use single brackets. Karol 18:48, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
Using "=" did break the template even with double brackets, that's why the Note that there was before we used the warning had the link outside.
Why did you remove Improve Pacman Performance from the list? -- Kynikos 18:55, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
Lol, it was a double link... The I change the question: why did you put the last 2 (now 1) links detached from the others? -- Kynikos 18:57, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
Nevermind, you removed also that extra return... O_o -- Kynikos 19:02, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
Totally my fault, I should have added a comment to the edit. The detached links were pointing to the diffs: [5] but now all of them do, so no reason to keep them apart. Karol 19:06, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
Well, it seems we (99% you, 1% me) did a nice job, now we can relax a bit (well I'm starting revising the italian pages under my jurisdiction...). Cheers. -- Kynikos 19:41, 25 March 2011 (EDT)


AUR_Helpers#bauerbill Why not AUR_Helpers#bauerbill? Karol 16:58, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

Yours is exactly the same link without the anchor... It would be the same as the following entry. -- Kynikos 17:03, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
The only difference is that when I click on "your" link, I don't see the diff, because I'm shown the rendered piece and I need to go to the top of the page. That initially confused me a bit so I thought I'd ask. Karol 17:16, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
Lol, you're perfectly right, I'll leave only one of those two links, without the anchor. -- Kynikos 17:37, 25 March 2011 (EDT)


Haskell_package_guidelines_(Italiano)

Let me handle Italian articles, we have an organized community that more or less tries to keep the pages aligned with their English counterparts :) -- Kynikos 17:09, 25 March 2011 (EDT)


Guess what, it's Easter already: Reflector rising from the dead. And the old one is not available anymore Reflector Karol 17:29, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

Uh, Xyne is surely a fast coder! O_O When he'll have put it back in community we'll see how to restore our edits -- Kynikos 17:37, 25 March 2011 (EDT)


TODO (discussion summary)

  • Move the Xyne-related pages list to a proper page (under User:Xyne tree?)
  • As Xyne releases replacements for his discontinued packages, restore the edits in the list
    • Reflector is coming back soon, keep an eye on it [6]

Xyne-related pages

  • Reflector (reflector restored in [community])
  • Mirrors (reflector restored in [community])


There are many pages in other languages ...


Italian articles (only those unguarded or in my watchlist)