User talk:Neven

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Hi, could you maybe fix the typo regarding the "form installed" phrase here? I don't really see what was the intended meaning...

Thanks, Lahwaacz (talk) 23:31, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Ah, never mind, I think I got it on the second attempt... -- Lahwaacz (talk) 23:35, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

"M" unit in dd

Why do you replace "M" with "x1024x1024" everywhere? There is no reason to force readers to write the longer variant. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 17:17, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I explained that in the edit description, that is the POSIX dd functionality, as opposed to the nonstandard 'M' and 'm' suffixes. The other possibility would be to use x1024k, but that would be using more features at the same time so it is probably the best to go with the consistent and correct x1024x1024. Neven (talk) 17:22, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Here's a reference if you want it: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/dd.html Neven (talk) 17:31, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
The wiki does not strive to be POSIX-ly correct. The fact is that "M" works in the dd shipped by Arch as well as most if not all other Linux distributions. If the shortcut does not work for some user, they will quickly find out what the problem is. In any case, adjusting the wiki to the minority is just silly. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 17:59, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Is there a more pertinent page for discussing this, as a Wiki policy or something?
Anyway, it seems to me that using a simple tool that is covered by powerful enough standard semantics in nonstandard ways is perversely masochistic. Like purposely using incompatible sets of screws and screwdrivers when just one screw drive system would suffice.
Consider that currently there is a page which uses both GNU specific and MacOS specific dd arguments in different places, instead of simply using the standard dd command line argument language everywhere.
What's more is that using standardized utilities nonstandardly on the Wiki pages will cause a lot of people reading the pages to learn to do it the same way, thus causing unnecessary compatibility problems for everybody in the Unix community. - Neven (talk) 23:01, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
If you wish, you can start a discussion at Help talk:Style. But just like Arch itself, this wiki is practical rather than ideological. And the targeted audience is the Arch community, not the whole Unix community. If you want to address the global compatibility problems, you should invest your time into the POSIX standard expansion to make it practical. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 07:52, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
If I can step in, I'd also refer to Arch Linux#Pragmatism. POSIX is a standard, but our implementation of dd is GNU's, which I'd argue is a standard of its own. In fact, both coreutils's PKGBUILD and Core utilities#dd in particular, refer to the GNU docs, not POSIX. I've added this to ArchWiki:Contributing, I don't think we need to discuss in Help talk:Style, but we may talk in Help talk:Reading about adding a "Non-Arch readers" section to Help:Reading to explicitly state that ArchWiki articles don't support other operating systems, and content may need to be adapted to apply to them (I've done this for the moment). -- Kynikos (talk) 09:54, 5 November 2017 (UTC)