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==<s> More generic title? </s> ==
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==<s> The most important task </s>==
How about renaming this article to a more generic title like [[ArchWiki:Contributing]], [[ArchWiki:Contributions]], [[ArchWiki:Welcome]] or similar? We can expand this article and make it become the reference page for new contributors.
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Please share your thoughts here.
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Just wanted to say thanks for adding this section [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki:Contributing&diff=351244&oldid=350959], more users doing this would certainly simplify patrolling recent changes. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 13:52, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
  
-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 07:18, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
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:Glad to see it's appreciated :) While we're at it, can somebody check the grammar of "[...] the official wiki staff does try their best [...]", I'm not sure if it sounds ok or it should better be "[...] do try their best [...]", or "[...] does try its best [...]" or what else, I always get confused with collective nouns, see e.g. [http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=667088] and [http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/3288/is-staff-plural]. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 14:29, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
  
:Another option: merging with [[ArchWiki:About]]? -- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 13:06, 15 March 2012 (EDT)
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::"Staff" here is plural as it refers to more than one person, not a single class of people, so the number of "do" needs to agree. I do. He/she/it does, They do. It should be "do". [[User:Ataraxy|Ataraxy]] ([[User talk:Ataraxy|talk]]) 06:41, 25 October 2016 (UTC)Ataraxy
::Um... I think they have quite different scopes, About answers ''the questions "Who?", "What?", "Why?", and "How?"'' (quoted from its summary) while Tasks should answer the more specific questions ''What can I do to contribute?'', ''Where does ArchWiki need my help?'', thus making it useful only for aspiring contributors.
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::Then let's remember that [[ArchWiki:About]] is the page linked from the "About ArchWiki" link in the footer of every page, which represents the standard "about" link that almost every website has, also being the place where people mainly go looking for contact information: I think its content should be kept to a very minimal amount.
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::Honestly I was instead thinking of merging here [[ArchWiki:Requests#General requests]] thus using this page to list the tasks (and also some requests, since the meaning can overlap a bit) schematically without discussions, and using Requests only for specific requests and for discussing new ones.
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::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 05:56, 16 March 2012 (EDT)
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::Another option could be merging this article entirely with [[ArchWiki:Requests]], using [[ArchWiki talk:Requests]] for discussing requests and the main page for just a quick summary of what's requested in the talk page; this idea is inspired from what we discussed in [[ArchWiki_talk:Maintenance_Team#Quick Reports vs. Reports]]. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 08:38, 17 March 2012 (EDT)
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::: +1 for Rename it to [[ArchWiki:Contributing]]. The meaning of Contributing and request are too far away. Often '''request''' means user request a change and then just leave. So I think we can keep the two seperate. But we can make a conclusion in [[ArchWiki talk:Requests]] and make out what is changed and what should be done. Something like a junior job section can list easy jobs there. Anyway, the current state of this page (stub,move flag) may scare some new comers away. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 04:44, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
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::::Thanks Fengchao for taking care of this article!  -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 14:55, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
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::::: Close. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 05:46, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
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==<s>Easy to start jobs</s>==
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:::Thanks, that settles this for me, closed. [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 09:42, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
I haven't understood well your reply from ''"But we can make..."'' to ''"list easy jobs there"'', however I withdraw my proposal of merging with [[ArchWiki:Requests]]. I hope I can find some time soon to help you here :) -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 14:55, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
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: An "Easy to start jobs" section is created. So you can see what I really mean. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 05:46, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
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::Oh I see now, it can be a good idea, let's see how it will develop in the future. I think we can close this discussion. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 16:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
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== <s> Todo </s> ==
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==<s> Upstream contributions </s>==
Content must be expanded and rationally organized so as to answer the most common questions of aspiring contributors.
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* <s> Add prerequest. Such as reading [[Help:Editing]],[[Help:Style]]. </s>
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I think contributions to pacman and other software should be mentioned, maybe with a link to https://www.archlinux.org/pacman/submitting-patches.html and information to contributing to other things like the arch website. I think there is a git repo with the flask code somewhere.
* <s> Add short introduction to doucment list. </s>
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[[User:Meskarune|Meskarune]] ([[User talk:Meskarune|talk]]) 15:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
* <s> Introduction to existing translation team. </s>
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* <s> Add simple tasks as junior job section. </s>
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:There is [[Getting_involved#Official_software_projects]], this page is about contributing to the ArchWiki itself. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
-- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 00:02, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
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::No follow-up, closed. — [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 09:42, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
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== <s>Improving </s>==
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Here it says that non-Arch users are welcomed to edit, but to get an account one needs to answer a question which can only be answered by people running Arch. Should we say that explicitly, or change the authentication question one that can be answered by, say, anyone with a recent GNU coreutils?
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[[User:Ataraxy|Ataraxy]] ([[User talk:Ataraxy|talk]]) 06:40, 25 October 2016 (UTC)Ataraxy
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:The authentication question can't really be touched, since it's a compromise that we found to counteract spam attacks.
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:I've done [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Help:Editing&diff=455167&oldid=452869 this] and [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ArchWiki%3AContributing&type=revision&diff=455168&oldid=453346 that], is it enough? Expansion is welcome, for example the latest ISO may not have the latest pacman version, so alternatives may be presented.
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:— [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 10:11, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
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::That coverers it for me. Closed. [[User:Ataraxy|Ataraxy]] ([[User talk:Ataraxy|talk]]) 10:35, 25 October 2016 (UTC)Ataraxy

Latest revision as of 10:35, 25 October 2016

The most important task

Just wanted to say thanks for adding this section [1], more users doing this would certainly simplify patrolling recent changes. -- Alad (talk) 13:52, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Glad to see it's appreciated :) While we're at it, can somebody check the grammar of "[...] the official wiki staff does try their best [...]", I'm not sure if it sounds ok or it should better be "[...] do try their best [...]", or "[...] does try its best [...]" or what else, I always get confused with collective nouns, see e.g. [2] and [3]. -- Kynikos (talk) 14:29, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
"Staff" here is plural as it refers to more than one person, not a single class of people, so the number of "do" needs to agree. I do. He/she/it does, They do. It should be "do". Ataraxy (talk) 06:41, 25 October 2016 (UTC)Ataraxy
Thanks, that settles this for me, closed. — Kynikos (talk) 09:42, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Upstream contributions

I think contributions to pacman and other software should be mentioned, maybe with a link to https://www.archlinux.org/pacman/submitting-patches.html and information to contributing to other things like the arch website. I think there is a git repo with the flask code somewhere. Meskarune (talk) 15:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

There is Getting_involved#Official_software_projects, this page is about contributing to the ArchWiki itself. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 16:47, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
No follow-up, closed. — Kynikos (talk) 09:42, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Improving

Here it says that non-Arch users are welcomed to edit, but to get an account one needs to answer a question which can only be answered by people running Arch. Should we say that explicitly, or change the authentication question one that can be answered by, say, anyone with a recent GNU coreutils? Ataraxy (talk) 06:40, 25 October 2016 (UTC)Ataraxy

The authentication question can't really be touched, since it's a compromise that we found to counteract spam attacks.
I've done this and that, is it enough? Expansion is welcome, for example the latest ISO may not have the latest pacman version, so alternatives may be presented.
Kynikos (talk) 10:11, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
That coverers it for me. Closed. Ataraxy (talk) 10:35, 25 October 2016 (UTC)Ataraxy