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::::So true, I'll find a way to add this to the style guide. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 09:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
::::So true, I'll find a way to add this to the style guide. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 09:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
==<s>a/an before UEFI</s>==
We have a series of edits that change the article before UEFI from "a" to "an": [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Beginners%27_Guide/Preparation&curid=10770&diff=274171&oldid=266159&rcid=385884], [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface&curid=9549&diff=274173&oldid=272495&rcid=385886], [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Gummiboot&curid=14899&diff=274174&oldid=272958&rcid=385887], [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=UEFI_Bootloaders&curid=14472&diff=274177&oldid=274126&rcid=385890], [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=ZFS&curid=14980&diff=274178&oldid=270457&rcid=385891], [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Asus_EEE_PC_1025c&curid=15713&diff=274179&oldid=264866&rcid=385892], [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=GRUB_EFI_Examples&curid=15143&diff=274180&oldid=270621&rcid=385893], [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Beginners%27_Guide/Installation&curid=14839&diff=274205&oldid=273395]. To me "a" sounds better, but I'd like to read the opinion of a native English speaker before undoing. Google returns ~37500 results for "a UEFI motherboard" and ~18200 for "an UEFI motherboard". -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 03:37, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
: Hey, I'm not a native English speaker too, so I checked this and it seems you are right. The usage of "a"/"an" does depend on the ''sound'' of the beginning of a word. If it sounds like a vowel one uses "an", if it sounds like a consonant one uses "a". So "a UEFI" is correct, as it sounds like "yoo-ee-fii" and it's also e.g. "a university", not "an university". I will undo all those edits immediately. Sorry if I caused any trouble :( -- [[User:Dfe|Dfe]] ([[User talk:Dfe|talk]]) 19:21, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
::Never mind, I forgot most of the rules I learnt at school and now I just go by ear ;) Closed. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 14:39, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

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New templates

Just a heads-up, if you're OK with them [1] [2] , please close the report :-) -- Karol 07:42, 14 December 2011 (EST)

If we start applying them consistently in all the tables, probably adding a proper rule in Help:Style, then I'm ok with them, since coloring cells in tables is not very straightforward even with wiki syntax.
Note their Chinese counterparts have been created too: Template:是 and Template:否. Since those templates' code is very flexible, I suggest replacing them with only 2 templates, Template:Y and Template:N, which would produce "Yes" and "No" by default, but whose first optional argument would allow them to display any other string, including translations, without the need to have localized versions of each template.
Going even a bit further, since some tables use additional colors, we may base the templates' names on their color instead of their meaning, so that we would have Template:G, Template:R, Template:Y, Template:B, and if necessary also Template:P and Template:O (purple and orange, just to complete the secondary colors). These templates should require the first argument, but I think they would be easy to use anyway, for sure much easier than the current | style="color:...." | blabla.
Waiting for opinions. -- Kynikos 09:19, 15 December 2011 (EST)
This template group would also give us an excuse to delete The Status Table Series and related templates, since they have a too narrow field of application and practically just create nested tables in the end, thus giving almost no real advantage. -- Kynikos 13:13, 24 December 2011 (EST)
I support this idea. Similar to the Template:Box COLOUR templates, a series of table cell coloured templates would ensure consistency across articles. -- pointone 16:46, 19 January 2012 (EST)
So good :) However I don't consider this an urgent task, I'm linking this discussion from a new entry among my numerous template ideas in my todo list. Of course if you or someone else want to implement it, just go for it. Just reminding that the implementation should be accompanied by some related style rules.
Also note that among my template-related ideas there's one about the Box COLOR series that seems to go in the opposite direction than the cell color templates, but I think that the colors for the Note, Warning and Tip templates should be reserved for them, and not be usable in other ways.
-- Kynikos 06:47, 20 January 2012 (EST)

Jumbo frames' "Real World Examples" section

Jumbo_Frames#Real_World_Examples <-- This section doesn't seem fitting on our wiki. This section just seems to be an advertisement for jumbo frames, and I think it should be removed. And I should also note that the methodology is a bit unreliable, in my opinion. To truly test just the difference that jumbo frames makes, one should make a RAM disk so hard disk performance is completely removed from the equation. And if we really want to sell people on switching to jumbo frames, I would rather we simply provide a one-liner plus a link to a technical white paper, IEEE conference paper, etc. Does anyone else agree?
-- Jstjohn (talk) 21:59, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Well, I don't know if we can really consider that section as an advertisement, however it's true that benchmarking sections are not really Arch-specific, and would probably better fit a blog or some other kind of website, which could be linked from the article. A similar article is SSD Benchmarking, for example.
On the other hand it looks like an original work and I would hesitate a bit before simply deleting it, maybe moving the "Using Jumbo Frames on Arch Linux" section more to the top could be a start. User:Graysky seems to have added that section in 2009, he may be interested in discussing also about the reliability of the methodology, but I would do that in Talk:Jumbo Frames (possibly adding e.g. Template:Accuracy to the article), since this talk page is more used for discussing recent changes reports :)
-- Kynikos (talk) 15:26, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Another alternative would be moving it to a sub-page, and having a link to it somewhere in the article.
-- thestinger (talk) 15:14, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I just found this discussion. I do not feel that the examples I posted represent an advertisement in any way. They do represent a concrete example of leveraging the topic of the page on which they are written. They are a bit dated however. I agree with the RAM disk suggestion. If I get dome time over the weekend, I might update on more modern hardware under more controlled conditions.
-- Graysky (talk) 01:39, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Minimum supported kernel version

I've decided to report this edit here without adding a simple quick report first because I think this is quite urgent: what's the minimum kernel version we're supporting in the wiki? While it's true that linux is now at 3.4.3, linux-lts is for example still at 3.0.35, so I think in these cases we should use flexible wordings and examples so as to cover all the supported possibilities.

What do you think? -- Kynikos (talk) 10:58, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

sorry, I didn't really think about LTS, so I agree that this edit can be undone (edit: also this doesn't really match with the rest of section which still talks about loading this module manually. Not sure what I was thinking there ;) ). On this particular page, the note I added earlier should do it for now, although a more flexible wording might indeed be better. 65kid (talk) 13:14, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Um, I've tried to improve the situation a little bit, however my intention was also to discuss in general if we should define a minimum supported kernel version for wiki articles (this discussion should probably be moved to Help talk:Style now). I think that linux-lts's version could be a good reference point, do we have other opinions? -- Kynikos (talk) 10:24, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
We should take the kernel version of official iso image into consideration. User should upgrade to latest version immediately. But before that, users have to config network. For some wireless cards, it is very kernel version specific. -- Fengchao (talk) 14:01, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
So true, I'll find a way to add this to the style guide. -- Kynikos (talk) 09:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC)