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== <s>RAID 5</s> ==
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== <s>Checksums/Windows</s> ==
  
I'd like to add an install guide for installation to USB key /boot and RAID5 /root. How can I go about doing that?
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:Moved to [[Talk:Installation guide]]. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:12, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
  
I'd be happy to create a page and send the link to someone for linking into the general "How To" area.
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== <s>MBR+EFI multi boot</s> ==
  
Thanks! {{Unsigned|20:10, 2 September 2009‎|TomB17}}
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:Moved to [[Talk:Installation guide]]. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:13, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
  
== Checksums/Windows ==
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== Merge and rewrite ==
  
We removed checksums with [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Beginners%27_guide&diff=366400&oldid=366378]; concerning the last argument, it seems you can use ''powershell'' for checksums on Windows, see [https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/22/html/Installation_Guide/sect-verifying-images.html Fedora Installation]. A possible candidate for the See also section, then again Fedora uses a different signing mechanism (the CHECKSUM file is signed, instead of the ISO). -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 08:31, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
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''[Moved from [[Talk:Installation guide#Stop misusing categories]]. -- [[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 14:40, 27 September 2018 (UTC)]''
  
:Um yeah, at Fedora they sign the checksums, so that powershell "script" isn't gonna work for us, hence linking to it from See also wouldn't be very helpful for a Windows user. The script shouldn't be hard to adapt though, it should be enough to tell to replace "$expected_checksum" with a paste of the checksum from our download page, also changing the function to either MD5 or SHA1 because we don't provide the SHA256 currently. I don't know if it's worth to expand [[:Category:Getting and installing Arch#Verify signature]] in this direction. [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 08:36, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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Also [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Getting_and_installing_Arch&diff=543776&oldid=543736]. I've tried to think of some meaningful reason against this merge, but I can't think of any. Feel free to suggest otherwise. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:45, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
  
::Alternatively, we could link to [https://www.gpg4win.org/ gpg4win] and (for OSX) [https://gpgtools.org/ gpgtools] -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 21:35, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
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:I'm fine with merging but I dislike the current form of [[Getting and installing Arch]]. Particularly the large notes and the wide table. I'll try to come up with a draft. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 15:12, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
  
== MBR+EFI multi boot ==
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::I like the proposed list format in [[User:Larivact/drafts/Getting and installing Arch 1]]. Not sure on using "Note:" without [[Template:Note]], if you don't want the blue frame I guess you should use some different term like "Keep in mind", or a summarizing sentence. If length is the main issue, a better approach might be to check if all the content is actually required. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 12:35, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
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::Something like [[Template:Important]] would also fit here... but we don't have it. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 12:37, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
  
Under the section "Installation methods", there are some useful notes intended for new arch linux users. I'd like to add :
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:::Yeah the blue frame bothers me. I created a new draft that splits the ''Installation methods'' section and uses definition lists: [[User:Larivact/drafts/Getting and installing Arch]], what do you think of it? --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 14:43, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
  
''If you opt for a multi boot installation using MBR partition table but your PC is UEFI-enabled, remember to boot the USB live in legacy mode to prevent issues with the bootloader.''
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::::''[Moved to [[Help talk:Template#Template colors]] -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 18:08, 27 September 2018 (UTC)]''
  
As suggested, this note may be too specific and belongs to [[Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface]], still I think it's better to add it in this category anyway, since other notes concern how to boot the live usb properly and are useful for newbies (plus, that reminder would have personally saved me some hard times trying to get a bootloader properly working and [[Installation_guide]] wasn't helpful to find proper documentation).  
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::::Ad the changes Svito tried out. [[Special:Diff/544309]]: Grouping ''Special installation methods'' under ''Installation medium'' doesn't make sense and I don't think a supersection for the other two sections is necessary. [[Special:Diff/544310]]: I also initially had that order but decided against it because the ''Installation environments'' section contains instructions on how to boot, which belong after the download section. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 04:30, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
I strongly recommend to specify it in non-specialized wiki. You got any suggestion to make this reminder more appropriate? [[User:Lo1|Lo1]] ([[User talk:Lo1|talk]]) 13:59, 2 October 2017 (UTC)lo1
 
  
:What is the bootloader that you talk about? Maybe the info belongs on its page. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 14:13, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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:::::I applied [[Special:Diff/555378]] to preview final page. Can we begin to merge this or something else left to discuss? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 17:03, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
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::::::Thanks for bumping; I left some comments. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 18:05, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
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:::::::Nice work! I took liberty on myself to rearrange page content with focus on live environment only – specifics of installing from existing system are better kept on its dedicated page (same as it is now) in my opinion. Please review [[Special:Diff/555968]] and next edits addressing other draft comments. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 19:07, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
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::::::::It looks good apart from the GPG section, which I find somewhat clumsy in its attempts for clarity. I guess we can merge the original wording as it has been used for the last few years, and discuss changes to it in [[Talk:Installation guide]]. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 10:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
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:::::::::As agreed I've made the following changes:
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:::::::::# Remove the "methods" table and add alternative methods of installation directly. In order to avoid duplicated content, I've cleaned up [[:Category:Installation process]] and linked to it, rather than add a list. [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Installation_guide&diff=557388&oldid=557381]
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:::::::::# Move the content on verifying GPG signatures to the installation guide. I've used the original wording from [[Getting and installing Arch]] for now.
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:::::::::That left the "See also" links; for lack of a better idea I've moved these to [[:Category:Installation_process]]. Perhaps they too should be added to the [[Installation guide]]. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:09, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 14:13, 26 November 2018

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Checksums/Windows

Moved to Talk:Installation guide. -- Alad (talk) 14:12, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

MBR+EFI multi boot

Moved to Talk:Installation guide. -- Alad (talk) 14:13, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Merge and rewrite

[Moved from Talk:Installation guide#Stop misusing categories. -- Larivact (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2018 (UTC)]

Also [1]. I've tried to think of some meaningful reason against this merge, but I can't think of any. Feel free to suggest otherwise. -- Alad (talk) 14:45, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm fine with merging but I dislike the current form of Getting and installing Arch. Particularly the large notes and the wide table. I'll try to come up with a draft. --Larivact (talk) 15:12, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
I like the proposed list format in User:Larivact/drafts/Getting and installing Arch 1. Not sure on using "Note:" without Template:Note, if you don't want the blue frame I guess you should use some different term like "Keep in mind", or a summarizing sentence. If length is the main issue, a better approach might be to check if all the content is actually required. -- Alad (talk) 12:35, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Something like Template:Important would also fit here... but we don't have it. -- Alad (talk) 12:37, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Yeah the blue frame bothers me. I created a new draft that splits the Installation methods section and uses definition lists: User:Larivact/drafts/Getting and installing Arch, what do you think of it? --Larivact (talk) 14:43, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
[Moved to Help talk:Template#Template colors -- Svito (talk) 18:08, 27 September 2018 (UTC)]
Ad the changes Svito tried out. Special:Diff/544309: Grouping Special installation methods under Installation medium doesn't make sense and I don't think a supersection for the other two sections is necessary. Special:Diff/544310: I also initially had that order but decided against it because the Installation environments section contains instructions on how to boot, which belong after the download section. --Larivact (talk) 04:30, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
I applied Special:Diff/555378 to preview final page. Can we begin to merge this or something else left to discuss? -- Svito (talk) 17:03, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for bumping; I left some comments. -- Alad (talk) 18:05, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Nice work! I took liberty on myself to rearrange page content with focus on live environment only – specifics of installing from existing system are better kept on its dedicated page (same as it is now) in my opinion. Please review Special:Diff/555968 and next edits addressing other draft comments. -- Svito (talk) 19:07, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
It looks good apart from the GPG section, which I find somewhat clumsy in its attempts for clarity. I guess we can merge the original wording as it has been used for the last few years, and discuss changes to it in Talk:Installation guide. -- Alad (talk) 10:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
As agreed I've made the following changes:
  1. Remove the "methods" table and add alternative methods of installation directly. In order to avoid duplicated content, I've cleaned up Category:Installation process and linked to it, rather than add a list. [2]
  2. Move the content on verifying GPG signatures to the installation guide. I've used the original wording from Getting and installing Arch for now.
That left the "See also" links; for lack of a better idea I've moved these to Category:Installation_process. Perhaps they too should be added to the Installation guide. -- Alad (talk) 14:09, 26 November 2018 (UTC)