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==<s>Old Help:Editing page</s>==
 
The old ''Help:Editing'' page was moved to [[Help:Editing (Deprecated)]]. See [[Help talk:Editing (Deprecated)#Questionable usefulness of this page]] for details.
 
  
-- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 11:42, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
 
:The talk page is there, but [[Help:Editing (Deprecated)]] is gone. Should we remove the talk page too? -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] ([[User talk:Karol|talk]]) 20:47, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::Yes, done. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 13:31, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==<s>Talk page ping-pong</s>==
 
I'm not sure I get [[Help:Editing#User_talk_pages]] right: I expect to keep the discussion in one place, ''You can add comments on the user talk page of the person you are replying to or on your own talk page beneath the original message with appropriate indentation.'' is IMHO an awful idea.
 
 
When I post to somebody's talk page, I expect to continue the discussion there and not on my talk page. Me writing on his talk page and him responding on mine is not acceptable either.
 
 
Nikar [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Nikar&diff=prev&oldid=169068 did it right] but [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Nikar&diff=next&oldid=169068 changed his mind] which resulted in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Karol&diff=next&oldid=169069]. I've had a similar issue with Det [
 
[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Karol&diff=167939&oldid=167936].
 
-- [[User:Karol|Karol]] 22:39, 8 November 2011 (EST)
 
:[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Help%3AEditing&action=historysubmit&diff=169305&oldid=168526 Fixed]. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 07:56, 9 November 2011 (EST)
 
 
:The basic concept should be that personal talk pages are for personal communications.  The idea behind a talk page based upon some specific subject is to try to reach a consensus with the give and take of discussion leading to that consensus.  When taking the related discussion away from the associated talk page, everybody loses the train of thought that then becomes private.  Not such a good idea.  Keep subject discussion connected to the topic page. - [[User:KitchM|KitchM]] 16:09, 9 November 2011 (EST)
 
::In many cases the talk page of the article in question is obviously the right place to hold the discussion but sometimes the discussion is meant to be "private" as in the case of Nikar's rc.conf edits. I used links to help us remember what edits we were talking about so in this case user's talk page was the right place to go. -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] 11:42, 10 November 2011 (EST)
 
:::If the "private" comments did not apply to the subject at hand, then I go along with you on that point.  However, I still am not quite sure what that was about, and thought it best to lay down some simple guidelines for all.  Thanks. - [[User:KitchM|KitchM]] 13:38, 10 November 2011 (EST)
 
::::Let me understand, are you requesting an improvement or clarification of the current guidelines? -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 08:06, 11 November 2011 (EST)
 
:::::Neither.  However, since you mention it, I believe the guidelines should include proper direction for using the talk page of any subject, so as to eliminate the ping-pong style of commenting where one makes a private comment to another user when it actually has to do with the public subject.  Such a style of communication creates disconnects with the flow of information regarding the subject at hand. - [[User:KitchM|KitchM]] 13:59, 12 November 2011 (EST)
 
::::::[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Help%3AEditing&action=historysubmit&diff=169859&oldid=169314 Improved further], looks good? -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 08:35, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 
:::::::Looks fine.  I think that thought needs to be included in general talk pages as well.  Thanks. - [[User:KitchM|KitchM]] 17:22, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 
::::::::It looks like it's already addressed to some extent: "''To discuss any page, go to that page and then click the "discussion" tab at the top of the page. Add a new comment at the end of the page or reply below an existing comment. Use indenting to format your discussion. Standard practice is to indent your reply one more level deep than the person to whom you are replying. Further, you should insert your comment beneath the one to which you are replying, but below others who are doing the same.''"
 
::::::::How would you extend the concept of ping-pong discussions to general talk pages?
 
::::::::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 08:14, 14 November 2011 (EST)
 
:::::::::How about "Remember to keep on topic and not divert to a user's talk page unless private communication is appropriate.  Keep all of the topic's comments in one place."? - [[User:KitchM|KitchM]] 17:00, 14 November 2011 (EST)
 
::::::::::Well, it already says "Add a new comment at the end of the page or reply below an existing comment", but adding your sentence won't hurt :)
 
::::::::::However I'd like to rewrite that section in a much more schematic way, like the rest of the article and [[Help:Style]], it's too verbose now...
 
::::::::::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 07:30, 15 November 2011 (EST)
 
:::::::::::Great idea.  It is good to try to make a section more concise while still having all the details needed to avoid confusion, even for us dummies.  Thanks for helping.  Always appreciated. - [[User:KitchM|KitchM]] 17:30, 15 November 2011 (EST)
 
::::::::::::Thanks to you too. This task is reported in my todo list, however you or anybody else are free to try and improve the article, if you want ^^ -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 09:36, 16 November 2011 (EST)
 

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