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Thus I propose to make a Welcome template similar to [[Template:Editsum]], but with a few key articles added, such as the aforementioned [[Help:Style]]. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 01:44, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 
Thus I propose to make a Welcome template similar to [[Template:Editsum]], but with a few key articles added, such as the aforementioned [[Help:Style]]. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 01:44, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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:The same thing I said to Sudowoodo: who is going to substitute the template for every new user?
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:Anyway it's nothing new that most new users aren't aware of the Help articles, I think statistically they tend to start with little edits, for which they don't want to waste time reading articles on syntax and style; probably only those who stick longer become interested in the wiki customs. Now, what effect would a Welcome template have on new users? Would it make them read the linked articles before their typo fix, or would it scare them and make them desist, worried that they could "break" something because of their inexperience? I think the "previous statements on constantly visible" still apply instead, what I said is that most people at least do "see" (or "notice") the links on the left, but that doesn't mean they actually follow them to read what they say, and I think only a small minority does at least before the first few edits.
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:Regarding the 3 examples you've linked, I really doubt that those edits would have been prevented even if their authors had [http://uxmyths.com/post/647473628/myth-people-read-on-the-web skimmed] the Help articles.
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:Maybe we could consider creating a template similar to [[Template:Editsum]] but aimed at users who make edits that clearly show a lack of knowledge of the (basic) syntax or style rules?
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:Let's keep this open this time and read other opinions.
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:-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 15:22, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

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Grouped Notes/Warnings/Tips and numbered parameter

According to Help:Style#Notes.2C_Warnings.2C_Tips, we should use unnumbered list to group successive Notes/Warnings/Tips into a single template. However, this can't be (easily) done when it's necessary to use numbered parameter, e.g. when some note contains URL with "=" symbol. See:

Note: * first note
  • second note

-- Lahwaacz (talk) 08:01, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

It's funny how this trick would fix that :)
{{Note|1=<nowiki></nowiki>
* first note = 1
* second note = 2
}}
Note:
  • first note = 1
  • second note = 2
However I don't think we should recommend it (too hacky), maybe this is one of the cases where the "recommended only when the solutions above are not practicable" note in Help:Template#HTML entities can be rightfully applied. Other ideas? Avoid recommending to merge stacked note templates? The problem would persist in note templates that have to start with a list anyway...
-- Kynikos (talk) 14:47, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

A "Welcome" template? - reopen

A bit more rational this time, how about a welcome template for greeting new users? Wikipedia is full of those. Wouldn't something like that be nice? --Sudowoodo (talk) 09:49, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Uhm... And what would you write there? I don't see the need for a template like that; for the moment your only argument in favour is that it would be "nice" :) Can you find some more precise and convincing reasons? And then who would put it in the talk page of every user that is created? And for how long would this user keep doing it? -- Kynikos (talk) 03:31, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
A welcome template would be useful to help new users find their way around and feel welcome. It could be a table with a message and some "see this for that" etc. -Sudowoodo (talk) 09:52, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Well, to play devil's advocate, ArchWiki:Contributing is right on the Main Page... --Alad (talk) 02:18, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Not only there, it's also constantly visible in the left column, in the "interaction" panel, I'm pretty sure every new user at least sees the link. Those who don't click on it would very likely also ignore a welcome message pasted in their talk page (the question of who should paste it every day is still unanswered). -- Kynikos (talk) 04:25, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Well, that's true. The wiki is great as it is. So, I think that ends my template brainstorming. Sorry for wasting your time with silly suggestions, I'll get back to editing. -Sudowoodo (talk) 09:10, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
The wiki is indeed great, but changes, even radical ones, are always welcome if well reasoned. Brainstorming is good, if you have more ideas in the future, don't be shy and share them :) -- Kynikos (talk) 03:02, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Reopening this as there's an influx of new users that appear unaware of Help:Style, Help:Editing, ArchWiki:Contributing, or similar. For example I've counted 49 substitutions of Template:Editsum, and there is a current trend in editing (e.g [1], [2], [3]). I suppose the previous statements on constantly visible to not apply .. (there's some background to this). On a positive note, users seem to respond well to reminders (and they are in plain sight).

Thus I propose to make a Welcome template similar to Template:Editsum, but with a few key articles added, such as the aforementioned Help:Style. -- Alad (talk) 01:44, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

The same thing I said to Sudowoodo: who is going to substitute the template for every new user?
Anyway it's nothing new that most new users aren't aware of the Help articles, I think statistically they tend to start with little edits, for which they don't want to waste time reading articles on syntax and style; probably only those who stick longer become interested in the wiki customs. Now, what effect would a Welcome template have on new users? Would it make them read the linked articles before their typo fix, or would it scare them and make them desist, worried that they could "break" something because of their inexperience? I think the "previous statements on constantly visible" still apply instead, what I said is that most people at least do "see" (or "notice") the links on the left, but that doesn't mean they actually follow them to read what they say, and I think only a small minority does at least before the first few edits.
Regarding the 3 examples you've linked, I really doubt that those edits would have been prevented even if their authors had skimmed the Help articles.
Maybe we could consider creating a template similar to Template:Editsum but aimed at users who make edits that clearly show a lack of knowledge of the (basic) syntax or style rules?
Let's keep this open this time and read other opinions.
-- Kynikos (talk) 15:22, 5 September 2014 (UTC)