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==catalyst-daemon==
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The default selection on installation of catalyst from Vi0L0's repos is set on catalyst-daemon, this page needs a section about the new daemon which as I understand is to replace catalyst-hook?
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==Double Screen==
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The link to "Ati Documentation" in this section seems dead, and I think examples of xorg.conf are welcome. [[User:Mikhaddo|Mikhaddo]] ([[User talk:Mikhaddo|talk]]) 11:22, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
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== A kind request ==
 
== A kind request ==
 
People, '''please''' edit a whole section if you change a paragraph! Do '''not''' just edit one line and leave it: re-read the whole paragraph (and chapter header!) so see if everything still corresponds. Example: previous edit to "installing from the official repositories"; the header still said this was the most easiest approach as you need only the '''official repositories''' - after the latest edit this was not the case anymore as we request people to use catalyst-utils from the AUR! Be thorough when editing, please![[User:Unia|Unia]] ([[User talk:Unia|talk]]) 11:25, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 
People, '''please''' edit a whole section if you change a paragraph! Do '''not''' just edit one line and leave it: re-read the whole paragraph (and chapter header!) so see if everything still corresponds. Example: previous edit to "installing from the official repositories"; the header still said this was the most easiest approach as you need only the '''official repositories''' - after the latest edit this was not the case anymore as we request people to use catalyst-utils from the AUR! Be thorough when editing, please![[User:Unia|Unia]] ([[User talk:Unia|talk]]) 11:25, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
  
== Notes on major overhaul ==
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== <s>Notes on major overhaul</s> ==
 
Hm, I didn't know there was a behind-the-scene page we could discuss this. I had already mentioned some points on the forums I wasn't sure about when I did the major overhaul and update. I will also list them here so other people that don't use the forum can see it (plus my post it already amongst dozens of older ones in the ATI Grill)
 
Hm, I didn't know there was a behind-the-scene page we could discuss this. I had already mentioned some points on the forums I wasn't sure about when I did the major overhaul and update. I will also list them here so other people that don't use the forum can see it (plus my post it already amongst dozens of older ones in the ATI Grill)
  
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[[User:T1nk3r3r|T1nk3r3r]] ([[User talk:T1nk3r3r|talk]]) 23:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 
[[User:T1nk3r3r|T1nk3r3r]] ([[User talk:T1nk3r3r|talk]]) 23:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
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:The manual installation was long since removed. Your interpretation of the arch way isn't going to change that.
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:The xorg.conf file should be checked against the ATI wiki. Let's continue this discussion in [[#Content duplication]]. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 16:56, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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=== Uninstallation ===
 
=== Uninstallation ===
 
Successfully merged section from [[ATI]] article.  Cleaned it up as best I knew how.  However, I do not use the packages suggested here (or fglrx anymore for that matter).  So we just need someone to update/verify the instructions to what the current packages require for a clean removal.  Then the outdated tag can be removed.   
 
Successfully merged section from [[ATI]] article.  Cleaned it up as best I knew how.  However, I do not use the packages suggested here (or fglrx anymore for that matter).  So we just need someone to update/verify the instructions to what the current packages require for a clean removal.  Then the outdated tag can be removed.   
  
 
Props to [[User:Unia]] for your dilligence on this subject. [[User:T1nk3r3r|T1nk3r3r]] ([[User talk:T1nk3r3r|talk]]) 17:24, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 
Props to [[User:Unia]] for your dilligence on this subject. [[User:T1nk3r3r|T1nk3r3r]] ([[User talk:T1nk3r3r|talk]]) 17:24, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 
== HD 6870 ==
 
 
I think the problems with Radeon HD 6870 are outdated, I use that graphics card and I didn't have any problems at all, even OpenCL works fine. -- [[User:Lykos42|Lykos42]] 14:04, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
 
:Added [[Template:Accuracy]], please next time don't be afraid of adding status templates by yourself :) -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 07:59, 15 March 2012 (EDT)
 
I cannot speak for speak for the HD 6870 but I can confirm that the problem still exists for the E-350 (APU with a HD 6310), and that the posted solution works if the device name is changed (and perhaps without changing it, I didn't test). I have therfore removed the disputed banner and generalized the answer. (As is suspect the fix works for virtually any "unsupported" device). If someone could confirm the naming scheme for the Xorg identifier I would appreciate it. --[[User:Eric Vuhl|Eric Vuhl]] ([[User talk:Eric Vuhl|talk]]) 12:19, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 
  
 
== Compatibility table ==
 
== Compatibility table ==
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Looks like it will stay.--[[User:Vi0L0|Vi0L0]] ([[User talk:Vi0L0|talk]]) 19:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 
Looks like it will stay.--[[User:Vi0L0|Vi0L0]] ([[User talk:Vi0L0|talk]]) 19:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
  
== <s> Kernel development speed </s>==
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== Content duplication ==
In the page it says: ''Recently, development and updates of the Linux kernel have speed up, which is causing that incompatibilities between the Linux kernel and the Catalyst package are showing more often.''
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: It is not true from my experience, the Kernel graphic stack is calming down after KMS change. True, catalyst is always lacking behind cutting edge. But the incompatible is usually happen between Catalyst and Xorg/XServer, not between Catalyst and Kernel. See the [[AMD Catalyst#Xorg repositories|this section]]. If I am wrong, please give out evidence. Or I have to remove the wrong excuse. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 00:12, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
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There is already a [http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Main_Page catalyst wiki] and we'd have to check in how far this article duplicates it... -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 01:50, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
That message came from Vi0L0 himself, why would he spit out the wrong reasons? Fact is that lately, the forum topic gets spammed alot by (new?) users about a broken Xorg after an update or an update that fails by itself. The reason herein is that Catalyst from Vi0L0's repository is compiled against one kernel and one kernel only. If an update updates the Linux kernel, but no new Catalyst has been supplied yet (just a rebuild from Vi0L0), you get breakage. Please do not remove this "wrong excuse"; it is not wrong at all. Just read the forum topic if you need to see it yourself.[[User:Unia|Unia]] ([[User talk:Unia|talk]]) 16:24, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
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:: No. You do not answer my question. I do not care whoever said it. I care about the actual fact. The fact here is: The kernel is moving at a constant speed, and kernel API is as stable as it goes. Vi0L0 only build the package against one kernel version. That is the actual reason here. So I will update the page. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 01:24, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
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== Unclear note ==
::: I think there was some mis-communication here. I thought you were planning on removing that warning, but you just rephrased it. That is always good. I do agree that what is there currently is better than what I put up there. Thanks for your effort. -- [[User:Unia|Unia]] ([[User talk:Unia|talk]]) 11:49, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
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<blockquote>Note: To adhere to the new config location use # aticonfig [...] --output to adapt the Device section to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf. The drawback is that many aticonfig options rely on an xorg.conf, and will be unavailable.</blockquote>
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This is confusing. What is being recommended to do? Can somebody clarify this on the wiki page please? --[[User:Qubodup|Qubodup]] ([[User talk:Qubodup|talk]]) 20:35, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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== pxp packages removal ==
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Since 15.7 catalyst itself provides powerXpress support, so pxp packages were removed from Vi0L0's repository. But I was unable to get my hybrid graphics work with standard package set. The information on wiki has to be updated --[[User:Jqrsd|Jqrsd]] ([[User talk:Jqrsd|talk]]) 19:13, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
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== Conflicting dependency information ==
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It is not clear from the information on the page if the Catalyst driver works with Xorg Server 1.17 or not. "The legacy Catalyst driver does not support Xorg Server 1.17." seems to imply that it works. "Catalyst does not support xorg-server 1.17" means it doesn't. I use catalyst with Xorg Server 1.17 and it seems to work.  [[User:Andrimne|Andrimne]] ([[User talk:Andrimne|talk]]) 22:19, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
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:More contradictions: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=AMD_Catalyst&diff=406279&oldid=406278] and [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=AMD_Catalyst&diff=406456&oldid=406454]. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:00, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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== Structure ==
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Re [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=AMD_Catalyst&curid=8947&diff=406456&oldid=406454], several issues:
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#Incompatible Xorg and kernel versions seems to be a recurring theme with these drivers, so instructions how to handle it should be featured prominently. Not by placing them right in the middle of a supermassive Troubleshooting section. Incidentally, there's already [[AMD_Catalyst#Xorg_repositories]].
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#It's enough to post the relevant few error messages, not the complete log.
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#<s>How do those Ubuntu instructions work in Arch?</s> Oh, it's ''paste''.ubuntu.com.
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-- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 16:41, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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== Running two x-servers with hybrid-graphic system ==
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Hello,
  
== What is the state of Catalyst-generator? ==
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can anyone please update this discription
Hey Vi0L0, can you tell us what the state of Catalyst-generator is? Does it still work, is it still recommend to use or would we want users to switch over to Catalyst-hook? -- [[User:Unia|Unia]] ([[User talk:Unia|talk]]) 15:24, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
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[[AMD_Catalyst#Running_two_X_servers_.28one_using_the_Intel_driver.2C_another_one_using_fglrx.29_simultaneously|Running two X servers]] ?
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An example is needed. Otherwise this text makes no sense for the most of the people.
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For ex. I am running a MATE-Desktop with lightdm, I realy have no Idea how to set the idea up.
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BTW: [[Gaming#Starting_games_in_a_separate_X_server|Starting Game in a separte X server]] is more specific, but I think this is not what meant in the first case.
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With regards
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[[User:YaH|YaH]] ([[User talk:YaH|talk]]) 20:30, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 20:30, 18 April 2016

catalyst-daemon

The default selection on installation of catalyst from Vi0L0's repos is set on catalyst-daemon, this page needs a section about the new daemon which as I understand is to replace catalyst-hook?

Double Screen

The link to "Ati Documentation" in this section seems dead, and I think examples of xorg.conf are welcome. Mikhaddo (talk) 11:22, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

A kind request

People, please edit a whole section if you change a paragraph! Do not just edit one line and leave it: re-read the whole paragraph (and chapter header!) so see if everything still corresponds. Example: previous edit to "installing from the official repositories"; the header still said this was the most easiest approach as you need only the official repositories - after the latest edit this was not the case anymore as we request people to use catalyst-utils from the AUR! Be thorough when editing, please!Unia (talk) 11:25, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Notes on major overhaul

Hm, I didn't know there was a behind-the-scene page we could discuss this. I had already mentioned some points on the forums I wasn't sure about when I did the major overhaul and update. I will also list them here so other people that don't use the forum can see it (plus my post it already amongst dozens of older ones in the ATI Grill)

  • Xorg example file; is it needed? And if it is, most entries are uncommented and I think we should at least provide some information on the options if we decide to keep it.
  • Installing from AMD. Should we even instruct this? It's absolutely unrecommended and I for one don't know if the instructions are correct.

Thanks for working on this article everyone!

Unia 00:29, 14 October 2012 (Amsterdam)

  • xorg.conf: It exists here for reference to those who need it as a starting point. When I started with Catalyst back in the 8.xx series, there was sporadic (if any) documentation anywhere. As for explaining the options: there are man pages and X.org also maintains a wiki. Make links if you have to.
  • Installing from AMD: Yes, it needs to be here for those who aren't dependent on *more* layers of scripts that obfuscate everything. I for one, value the ability of seeing what is happening on a lower level and troubleshooting it myself. Otherwise I'd still be using Mandriva. As far as being "unrecommended", that is merely a point of view for the reader to consider. If X breaks, would you know how to fix it?

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/The_Arch_Way#Simplicity

T1nk3r3r (talk) 23:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The manual installation was long since removed. Your interpretation of the arch way isn't going to change that.
The xorg.conf file should be checked against the ATI wiki. Let's continue this discussion in #Content duplication. -- Alad (talk) 16:56, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Uninstallation

Successfully merged section from ATI article. Cleaned it up as best I knew how. However, I do not use the packages suggested here (or fglrx anymore for that matter). So we just need someone to update/verify the instructions to what the current packages require for a clean removal. Then the outdated tag can be removed.

Props to User:Unia for your dilligence on this subject. T1nk3r3r (talk) 17:24, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Compatibility table

I've been thinking for a while it might be nice to have a compatibility table or something to see which version of Catalyst works with which versions of X and the Linux kernel. Would this be totally off? Is there a better place to see this information? Would there be a better place to store this information? --Freso (talk) 11:01, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

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I'm not sure for the need of this, why would people want to use an older version? AFAIK there are no major problems with Catalyst 12.9 nor with Catalyst-legacy. For those two, the information is already there:

1. Users with Radeon HD {2,3,4}xxx can only use catalyst-legacy which supports Xorg <= 1.12 (use [xorg112] repo) 2. Users with Radeon HD => 5xxx should use catalyst which supports Xorg 1.13

Of course, the more info the better, so if you want to add this feel free to do so! ==Unia

vaapi with smplayer

I found smplayer config to use mplayer-vaapi not right. If you set Video output Driver to vaapi or vaapi:gl, you'll not need to add extra options -vo vaapi to mplayer options Mplayer won't work if both -lavadopts and -vo vaapi are set. So we need to turn off -lavadopts option (useful when decode by CPU, but usesless with GPU) by set "Threads for decoding" to 1 in Performance section. Therefore I decided to edit wiki section about using smplayer. Hope this will be useful for someone!

catalyst-dkms

Is catalyst-dkms working fine without the additional mkinitcpio-dkms package?

By working fine i mean will it compile fglrx module for freshly installed kernel in the background?

Building module while system start is not safe. You system will probably start X before module will be build and so X will fail terribly. AFAIK last related post on the forums in telling that the additional mkinitcpio-dkms package is needed.

If it's needed then such information should be added to the wiki.

Even more - if it's needed then i would say that mkinitcpio-dkms package should be added to the community and catalyst-dkms should depend on it, otherwise it's hard to consider catalyst-dkms as "safe". --Vi0L0 (talk) 10:22, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

What's more of an issue for now, is if catalyst-dkms will remain available in the repositories now that xorg-server 1.14 became available. Do you have contact with its maintainer?Unia (talk) 15:07, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

There was a threat on arch-dev-public: [1]. Looks like it will stay.--Vi0L0 (talk) 19:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Content duplication

There is already a catalyst wiki and we'd have to check in how far this article duplicates it... -- Alad (talk) 01:50, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Unclear note

Note: To adhere to the new config location use # aticonfig [...] --output to adapt the Device section to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf. The drawback is that many aticonfig options rely on an xorg.conf, and will be unavailable.

This is confusing. What is being recommended to do? Can somebody clarify this on the wiki page please? --Qubodup (talk) 20:35, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

pxp packages removal

Since 15.7 catalyst itself provides powerXpress support, so pxp packages were removed from Vi0L0's repository. But I was unable to get my hybrid graphics work with standard package set. The information on wiki has to be updated --Jqrsd (talk) 19:13, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Conflicting dependency information

It is not clear from the information on the page if the Catalyst driver works with Xorg Server 1.17 or not. "The legacy Catalyst driver does not support Xorg Server 1.17." seems to imply that it works. "Catalyst does not support xorg-server 1.17" means it doesn't. I use catalyst with Xorg Server 1.17 and it seems to work. Andrimne (talk) 22:19, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

More contradictions: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=AMD_Catalyst&diff=406279&oldid=406278] and [2]. -- Alad (talk) 17:00, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Structure

Re [3], several issues:

  1. Incompatible Xorg and kernel versions seems to be a recurring theme with these drivers, so instructions how to handle it should be featured prominently. Not by placing them right in the middle of a supermassive Troubleshooting section. Incidentally, there's already AMD_Catalyst#Xorg_repositories.
  2. It's enough to post the relevant few error messages, not the complete log.
  3. How do those Ubuntu instructions work in Arch? Oh, it's paste.ubuntu.com.

-- Alad (talk) 16:41, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Running two x-servers with hybrid-graphic system

Hello,

can anyone please update this discription Running two X servers ? An example is needed. Otherwise this text makes no sense for the most of the people. For ex. I am running a MATE-Desktop with lightdm, I realy have no Idea how to set the idea up. BTW: Starting Game in a separte X server is more specific, but I think this is not what meant in the first case. With regards YaH (talk) 20:30, 18 April 2016 (UTC)