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== Add Raur (rust package) to the list of 'Other's at the bottom. ==
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== <s>Add Raur (rust package) to the list of 'Other's at the bottom.</s> ==
  
 
Hey guys! I'm the lead developer of [https://gitlab.com/DavidBittner/raur raur]. I was simply wondering if it could be added to the bottom. It seems to be more comprehensive than the existing aur.rs as it implements the entire interface, as well as all search strategies provided by the interface.
 
Hey guys! I'm the lead developer of [https://gitlab.com/DavidBittner/raur raur]. I was simply wondering if it could be added to the bottom. It seems to be more comprehensive than the existing aur.rs as it implements the entire interface, as well as all search strategies provided by the interface.
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:I'm hesitant in adding a second project to the page which has no AUR package, but I guess it's part of the "bundle everything" philosophy of these languages... -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 19:00, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:I'm hesitant in adding a second project to the page which has no AUR package, but I guess it's part of the "bundle everything" philosophy of these languages... -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 19:00, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
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::Looks like aur.rs is dead. I've replaced the entry. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 21:29, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
  
 
== Legend editions ==
 
== Legend editions ==
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:If we document all the unsafe flags, I would argue it's out of scope in this article and should be expanded in [[System_maintenance#Avoid_certain_pacman_commands]] instead. (Side-note: what if a regular AUR helper uses an unsafe command to e.g. install dependencies? None of the current entries do, but it's a possible scenario.) -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 13:26, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:If we document all the unsafe flags, I would argue it's out of scope in this article and should be expanded in [[System_maintenance#Avoid_certain_pacman_commands]] instead. (Side-note: what if a regular AUR helper uses an unsafe command to e.g. install dependencies? None of the current entries do, but it's a possible scenario.) -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 13:26, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
  
== <s>rua build-only</s> ==
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::How about expanding the note:
 
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{{Note|
Please remove "build-only" note on "rua" helper, the referenced issue is fixed. -- [[User:Vasya|Vasya]] ([[User talk:Vasya|talk]]) 10:49, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
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* ''Optional'' means that a feature is available, but only through a command-line argument or configuration option. ''Partial'' means that a feature is not fully implemented, or that it partially deviates from the given criteria.
 
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* ''Batch interaction'' indicates the ability to prompt ''before'' the build process and package transactions. In particular:
:Done. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 17:04, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
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:1. Combined summary of repository and AUR package upgrades;
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:2. Resolution of package conflicts and choice of providers.}}
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::I've looked at [[System_maintenance#Avoid_certain_pacman_commands]] again and it contains all needed detail already, apart from the --ask option which is niche (and linked from in the table where appropriate). -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:02, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
  
 
== Add yup to Pacman wrappers ==
 
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:It's another yaourt clone - pretty sure we have enough of those in the table already. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 20:11, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:It's another yaourt clone - pretty sure we have enough of those in the table already. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 20:11, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
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:: Even though it's got tonnes of features that yaourt doesn't have? [[User:Ericm|Ericm]] ([[User talk:Ericm|talk]]) 20:40, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
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::: I would argue the splitting into "packages" is the main distinguish feature - things like an ncurses interface are superficial in my book.
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::: Generally speaking, most AUR helpers have turned out to be either vaporware or small variations on existing work. Some recent examples: {{AUR|aurs}}, {{AUR|baph}}, {{AUR|gutaur}}, {{AUR|ram}}, {{AUR|raur-git}}, {{AUR|simpleaur-git}}, {{AUR|vam}}. So let's wait a bit how this projects evolves before adding it to the wiki. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 21:56, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
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== <s>Octopi no longer performs partial upgrades</s> ==
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According to [https://github.com/aarnt/octopi/issues/134#issuecomment-503651475 this] GitHub comment as well as [https://github.com/aarnt/octopi/commit/7a32ba9ea2dab91e243a6362496b14e8fb6ac2b0 this] commit, Octopi no longer does partial upgrades as this page says it does.
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[[User:CodingKoopa|CodingKoopa]] ([[User talk:CodingKoopa|talk]]) 18:14, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
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:Thanks: [[Special:Diff/578024]] -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 19:46, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
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== Aura ==
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Please update to "Yes" the following check boxes:
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* Split packages: which links to issue 353.
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* Git clone: which links to issue 346.
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Both of these were closed by [https://github.com/aurapm/aura/pull/479 this PR]. — [[User:goetzc|goetzc]] ([[User talk:goetzc|wanna talk?]]) 23:07, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
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:We know that for quite a while. These are not fixed in regular {{AUR|aura}} package that is stuck on 1.4.0 for nearly 2 years now, but {{AUR|aura-git}}. See [https://github.com/aurapm/aura/issues/489 relevant issue on github]. There is release on [https://hackage.haskell.org/package/aura hackage] updated about a year ago, but I'm not sure what commit it is using, and again there is no tag in github, seems like perpetual WIP. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 00:57, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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== Update information on rua? ==
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Please update information on RUA helper. "Diff view" and "Split packages" were implemented, as per the linked issues. Also, please add "shellcheck" and "local patch application" to the list of features that the helper has. The second is most probably not unique, the first one is unique I think. [[User:Vasya|Vasya]] ([[User talk:Vasya|talk]]) 17:28, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 17:28, 23 August 2019

Add Raur (rust package) to the list of 'Other's at the bottom.

Hey guys! I'm the lead developer of raur. I was simply wondering if it could be added to the bottom. It seems to be more comprehensive than the existing aur.rs as it implements the entire interface, as well as all search strategies provided by the interface.

Thanks guys,

DavidBittner (talk) 00:16, 18 May 2019 (UTC) David

I'm hesitant in adding a second project to the page which has no AUR package, but I guess it's part of the "bundle everything" philosophy of these languages... -- Alad (talk) 19:00, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Looks like aur.rs is dead. I've replaced the entry. -- Alad (talk) 21:29, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Legend editions

Special:Diff/573543/573551: Good revert, I did these late into sleepless night and did not notice this were huge and not that thought through changes :/

  • Merge note definitions for partial and optional as part of legends list? This was a mistake, note there exactly makes sense according to style rules.
  • Add known used unsafe flags to legend, add that asterisk means optional, as it may be unclear?
  • Move legend concerning pacman wrappers only inside its section? Alternatively mention these apply only to pacman wrappers, example text:
Unsafe flags
Potentially harmful pacman flags that could be used by #pacman wrappers.
Note: Asterisk means these pacman flags are optionally enabled.
Batch interaction
Ability of #pacman wrappers to prompt before the build process and package transactions, in particular:
  1. Combined summary of repository and AUR package upgrades;
  2. Resolution of package conflicts and choice of providers.

-- Svito (talk) 07:33, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Batch interaction isn't specific to pacman wrappers, at least not 2. The legend denotes it as a column though, which it isn't. At the same time, I'm not sure if replacing "columns" with "columns and values" is a good idea.
If we document all the unsafe flags, I would argue it's out of scope in this article and should be expanded in System_maintenance#Avoid_certain_pacman_commands instead. (Side-note: what if a regular AUR helper uses an unsafe command to e.g. install dependencies? None of the current entries do, but it's a possible scenario.) -- Alad (talk) 13:26, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
How about expanding the note:
Note:
  • Optional means that a feature is available, but only through a command-line argument or configuration option. Partial means that a feature is not fully implemented, or that it partially deviates from the given criteria.
  • Batch interaction indicates the ability to prompt before the build process and package transactions. In particular:
1. Combined summary of repository and AUR package upgrades;
2. Resolution of package conflicts and choice of providers.
I've looked at System_maintenance#Avoid_certain_pacman_commands again and it contains all needed detail already, apart from the --ask option which is niche (and linked from in the table where appropriate). -- Alad (talk) 22:02, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Add yup to Pacman wrappers

Links: github yupAUR

Right now yup ticks every box in the 'Pacman Wrappers' table except for 'Split packages'. It has code completion working mostly in zsh and will soon support bash and fish too.

Pros:

It fetches pgp keys for you. It shows the PKGBUILD before installing by default for security reasons. It shows far more relevant search results that other AUR helpers on the market.

Ericm (talk) 14:52, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

It's another yaourt clone - pretty sure we have enough of those in the table already. -- Alad (talk) 20:11, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Even though it's got tonnes of features that yaourt doesn't have? Ericm (talk) 20:40, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
I would argue the splitting into "packages" is the main distinguish feature - things like an ncurses interface are superficial in my book.
Generally speaking, most AUR helpers have turned out to be either vaporware or small variations on existing work. Some recent examples: aursAUR, baphAUR, gutaurAUR, ramAUR, raur-gitAUR, simpleaur-gitAUR, vamAUR. So let's wait a bit how this projects evolves before adding it to the wiki. -- Alad (talk) 21:56, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Octopi no longer performs partial upgrades

According to this GitHub comment as well as this commit, Octopi no longer does partial upgrades as this page says it does.

CodingKoopa (talk) 18:14, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks: Special:Diff/578024 -- Alad (talk) 19:46, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Aura

Please update to "Yes" the following check boxes:

  • Split packages: which links to issue 353.
  • Git clone: which links to issue 346.

Both of these were closed by this PR. — goetzc (wanna talk?) 23:07, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

We know that for quite a while. These are not fixed in regular auraAUR package that is stuck on 1.4.0 for nearly 2 years now, but aura-gitAUR. See relevant issue on github. There is release on hackage updated about a year ago, but I'm not sure what commit it is using, and again there is no tag in github, seems like perpetual WIP. -- Svito (talk) 00:57, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Update information on rua?

Please update information on RUA helper. "Diff view" and "Split packages" were implemented, as per the linked issues. Also, please add "shellcheck" and "local patch application" to the list of features that the helper has. The second is most probably not unique, the first one is unique I think. Vasya (talk) 17:28, 23 August 2019 (UTC)