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Previous page history can be found [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_based_distributions_(active)&action=history here].
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== Trademark infringements ==
 
== Trademark infringements ==
  
 
I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:
 
I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the [[DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy|Arch Linux trademark]]:
* ArchBang
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* 3du Arch, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/threeduarch/]
* <s>Arch Anywhere</s> update: [https://arch-anywhere.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/]
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* <s>ArchBang</s>, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/], [http://www.archbang.org/]
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* Arch Rescue Kit, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/archrescue/]
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* Arch USB OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-usb-os/]
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* <s>ArchMerge</s>, [https://arcolinux.info/archmerge-evolves-into-arcolinux/ update]
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* <s>Arch Anywhere</s>, [https://anarchy-linux.org/news/Anarchy-Linux-replaces-Arch-Anywhere/ update]
 
* <s>Artix Linux</s>
 
* <s>Artix Linux</s>
* Happy Hacking Linux
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* Happy Hacking Linux, [http://kodfabrik.com/happy-hacking-linux/]
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* Reborn OS, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos-deepin/]<sup>on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin</sup>
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* <s>SwagArch</s>
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* Zen Installer, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/] <sup>*2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS</sup>
 
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
 
See [https://paste.xinu.at/I4cH0s/] for the email I've sent on this regard to {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
  
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::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 
::Thank you. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
  
== Alpine Linux ==
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:I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact {{ic|trademarks@archlinux.org}}, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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::Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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:::ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
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== <s>More historical detail</s> ==
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I was thinking about adding more historical detail like year of first release and previous names:
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* [https://sourceforge.net/projects/antergos/ Antergos] <sup>*2012, previosly Cinnarch</sup>
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This would give just enough clarity how some of distribution "disappeared" and would complement last release "death" year.
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This superscript would only be added if distributions had releases for more than same year or were released under different names.
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-- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 20:02, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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:I guess it helps to keep track of irreputable distros that change name. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:12, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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== <s>SourceForge links intentional?</s> ==
  
Why did you undo my edit Alad?
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The ''Active'' section links SourceForge pages for distributions that have official websites on several occasions.
  
[[User:Head on a Stick|Head on a Stick]] ([[User talk:Head on a Stick|talk]]) 20:03, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
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I think official websites are generally more informative / representative. Or are the SourceForge links there to simplify the detection of inactivity?
  
:[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch-based_distributions&diff=476096&oldid=475584] which was linked in that BBS thread... the "part" in this case is APKBUILD and related tools, which are a near-copy of PKGBUILD except adapted for the (a)sh shell. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 20:39, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
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--[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 14:30, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
  
::Whilst it may be true that the `abuild` script used to convert APKBUILDs to .apk packages is ''based on'' `makepkg` (the script describes itself as a "light version of makepkg"), I do not think this justifies Alpine's place on this list — no parts of pacman (or libalpm(3)) are used in the packaging system and Alpine itself is compiled using Gentoo's portage system. [[User:Head on a Stick|Head on a Stick]] ([[User talk:Head on a Stick|talk]]) 20:58, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
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:It is intentional, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch-based_distributions&oldid=447135#IRC_links previous discussion]. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 15:05, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
  
:::I'll leave the discussion open for a third opinion... -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:08, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
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::Thanks, [[Special:Diff/530253|I clarified the intro]]. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 16:14, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 16:14, 17 July 2018

Previous page history can be found here.

Trademark infringements

I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the Arch Linux trademark:

  • 3du Arch, [1]
  • ArchBang, [2], [3]
  • Arch Rescue Kit, [4]
  • Arch USB OS, [5]
  • ArchMerge, update
  • Arch Anywhere, update
  • Artix Linux
  • Happy Hacking Linux, [6]
  • Reborn OS, [7]on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin
  • SwagArch
  • Zen Installer, [8] *2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS

See [9] for the email I've sent on this regard to trademarks@archlinux.org. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- Alad (talk) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Artix Linux[10] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. —This unsigned comment is by Drumal (talk) 07:13, 30 September 2017‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
Thank you. -- Alad (talk) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact trademarks@archlinux.org, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- Svito (talk) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- Alad (talk) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- Svito (talk) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

More historical detail

I was thinking about adding more historical detail like year of first release and previous names:

This would give just enough clarity how some of distribution "disappeared" and would complement last release "death" year.

This superscript would only be added if distributions had releases for more than same year or were released under different names.

-- Svito (talk) 20:02, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

I guess it helps to keep track of irreputable distros that change name. -- Alad (talk) 22:12, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

SourceForge links intentional?

The Active section links SourceForge pages for distributions that have official websites on several occasions.

I think official websites are generally more informative / representative. Or are the SourceForge links there to simplify the detection of inactivity?

--Larivact (talk) 14:30, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

It is intentional, see previous discussion. -- Svito (talk) 15:05, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, I clarified the intro. --Larivact (talk) 16:14, 17 July 2018 (UTC)