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== Suggestions ==
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== x86_64 or amd64 ==
 
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== Comments ==
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"Arch does not 'split' their packages into \"-dev\" and \"-common\" as Debian does, therefore, Arch repositories will seem much smaller."  I'm having a hard time understanding this bit.  Looking at [http://packages.debian.org/stable/python/ the debian repos], I see some packages have a "-dev" suffix and some have a "-common" suffix, but rarely are the two suffixes both present with the same prefix.  --[[User:Johniv|Johniv]] 03:58, 3 March 2010 (EST)
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"Arch supports i686 and x86_64 while Gentoo officially supports x86, {...}, amd64, {...}, and itanium architectures."  
 
"Arch supports i686 and x86_64 while Gentoo officially supports x86, {...}, amd64, {...}, and itanium architectures."  
 
x86_64 is the same thing as amd64, is it not?
 
x86_64 is the same thing as amd64, is it not?
 
:Yes, though Arch typically uses 'x86_64' and Gentoo typically uses 'amd64' to describe the architecture.  I'm not sure if it's more right to leave the article the way it is or to change it to use the Arch/Intel naming convention.[[User:TheCycoONE|TheCycoONE]] 14:31, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
 
:Yes, though Arch typically uses 'x86_64' and Gentoo typically uses 'amd64' to describe the architecture.  I'm not sure if it's more right to leave the article the way it is or to change it to use the Arch/Intel naming convention.[[User:TheCycoONE|TheCycoONE]] 14:31, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
 
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:: Should be 'x86_64' or 'x86-64'? Either way, it should be consistent accross the page...<br>-- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 17:17, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
== <s>Is 'distro' a formal word?</s> ==
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::: Back in [http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/Press_Release_715.aspx 2000] AMD released its original specification (of its own design) for the 64-bit implementation of the {{ic|x86}} instruction set. {{ic|x86-64}} I would argue is ''most right'', simply because it is generic (not tied to a brand), descriptive (64 bit implementation of {{ic|x86}} instructions, easy enough), and the oldest known name for the specification. Regardless of what Gentoo calls it, I believe we should name it {{ic|x86_64}} for consistency with how we name things and all of the clarity reasons I just described. [[User:Ndt|Ndt]] ([[User talk:Ndt|talk]]) 06:12, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
What about ''fiddle around with the guts of the system''?
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Yeah, nitpicking here ;P -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] 19:10, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
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:We have http://www.distrowatch.com, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distro, http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/distro, and then http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/61894 so I think it is at least common enough in usage amongst most English speaking regions of the world.
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:I don't know if it presents a translation barrier, but I suspect not so much.  It does<s>n't</s> not hurt to be safe, however (like with contractions).
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:As for the actual question: Is it too informal for us?  I suppose we could get into the semantics of what "formal" is but I think it would be more straightforward to consider the reason for using formal language: to increase readability and promote technical accuracy from contributers. I don't really think it is that much of a readability issue and I don't know that using 'distro' degrades the aura of technical accuracy much when you consider the long history of informality in the free software world with respect to project names. To a large extent, I think we have grown to just accept names as just something that is. [[User:James Eder|James Eder]] 13:57, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
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::We don't mention [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_Compared_to_Other_Distributions&diff=next&oldid=146700 'fiddling with the guts'] anymore and all but one occurrences of 'distro' got changed to [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_Compared_to_Other_Distributions&diff=149136&oldid=prev 'distribution']. -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] 13:31, 16 July 2011 (EDT)
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== <s>Fedora refuses to include MP3 and other media support</s> ==
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I never used Fedora, but does it include e.g ogg or flac support? If it does, then it should be changed to ''Fedora refuses to include MP3 and other non-free media support''. -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] 19:10, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
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:[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_Compared_to_Other_Distributions&diff=146700&oldid=prev Fixed]. -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] 07:34, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
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== Frugalware fundamentally different? ==
 
== Frugalware fundamentally different? ==
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I am pretty sure that some time ago I installed Frugalware from a CD (250 MB or so) and got a minimal base environment that I expanded with Pacman according to my choices and needs. --[[User:Markus00000|Markus00000]] 16:23, 1 November 2011 (EDT)
 
I am pretty sure that some time ago I installed Frugalware from a CD (250 MB or so) and got a minimal base environment that I expanded with Pacman according to my choices and needs. --[[User:Markus00000|Markus00000]] 16:23, 1 November 2011 (EDT)
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== Style consistency ==
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Some distro use bullet points while others do not. Make all of the bullet will make this page more consistency. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 00:45, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
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== Mandriva -> Mageia? ==
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Should we compare Arch to [http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mandriva Mandriva] or to [http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mageia Mageia]? The latter is more popular and is has been inclued in [http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major Top Ten Distributions] Distrowatch list in place of Mandriva. -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] ([[User talk:Karol|talk]]) 00:38, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
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== The *BSDs ==
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''...along with a similar init framework...''
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I'm no expert on *BSDs, but weren't initscripts similar to *BSDs' init system? Now we have systemd...
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==i386==
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''[Moved from the main article. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 02:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)]''
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Has not Linus deprecated i386 from the kernel now? --[[User:Gm5729|Gm5729]]

Revision as of 06:12, 22 June 2013

x86_64 or amd64

"Arch supports i686 and x86_64 while Gentoo officially supports x86, {...}, amd64, {...}, and itanium architectures." x86_64 is the same thing as amd64, is it not?

Yes, though Arch typically uses 'x86_64' and Gentoo typically uses 'amd64' to describe the architecture. I'm not sure if it's more right to leave the article the way it is or to change it to use the Arch/Intel naming convention.TheCycoONE 14:31, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
Should be 'x86_64' or 'x86-64'? Either way, it should be consistent accross the page...
-- Lahwaacz (talk) 17:17, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Back in 2000 AMD released its original specification (of its own design) for the 64-bit implementation of the x86 instruction set. x86-64 I would argue is most right, simply because it is generic (not tied to a brand), descriptive (64 bit implementation of x86 instructions, easy enough), and the oldest known name for the specification. Regardless of what Gentoo calls it, I believe we should name it x86_64 for consistency with how we name things and all of the clarity reasons I just described. Ndt (talk) 06:12, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Frugalware fundamentally different?

Arch is a fundamentally different system, being installed as a minimal base environment and expanded with pacman according to the user's choices and needs. Frugalware is installed from a DVD, with default software choices and desktop environment chosen for the user already.

I am pretty sure that some time ago I installed Frugalware from a CD (250 MB or so) and got a minimal base environment that I expanded with Pacman according to my choices and needs. --Markus00000 16:23, 1 November 2011 (EDT)

Style consistency

Some distro use bullet points while others do not. Make all of the bullet will make this page more consistency. -- Fengchao (talk) 00:45, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Mandriva -> Mageia?

Should we compare Arch to Mandriva or to Mageia? The latter is more popular and is has been inclued in Top Ten Distributions Distrowatch list in place of Mandriva. -- Karol (talk) 00:38, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

The *BSDs

...along with a similar init framework...

I'm no expert on *BSDs, but weren't initscripts similar to *BSDs' init system? Now we have systemd...

i386

[Moved from the main article. -- Kynikos (talk) 02:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)]

Has not Linus deprecated i386 from the kernel now? --Gm5729