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== x86_64 or amd64 ==
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== <s>On Debian Testing</s> ==
"Arch supports i686 and x86_64 while Gentoo officially supports x86, {...}, amd64, {...}, and itanium architectures."
 
x86_64 is the same thing as amd64, is it not?
 
:Yes, though Arch typically uses 'x86_64' and Gentoo typically uses 'amd64' to describe the architecture.  I'm not sure if it's more right to leave the article the way it is or to change it to use the Arch/Intel naming convention.[[User:TheCycoONE|TheCycoONE]] 14:31, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
 
:: Should be 'x86_64' or 'x86-64'? Either way, it should be consistent accross the page...<br>-- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 17:17, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 
::: Back in [http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/Press_Release_715.aspx 2000] AMD released its original specification (of its own design) for the 64-bit implementation of the {{ic|x86}} instruction set. {{ic|x86-64}} I would argue is ''most right'', simply because it is generic (not tied to a brand), descriptive (64 bit implementation of {{ic|x86}} instructions, easy enough), and the oldest known name for the specification. Regardless of what Gentoo calls it, I believe we should name it {{ic|x86_64}} for consistency with how we name things and all of the clarity reasons I just described. [[User:Ndt|Ndt]] ([[User talk:Ndt|talk]]) 06:12, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 
  
== Frugalware fundamentally different? ==
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"Arch packages are more current than Debian Stable and Testing, being more comparable to the Debian Unstable branch, and has no fixed release schedule."
''Arch is a fundamentally different system, being installed as a minimal base environment and expanded with pacman according to the user's choices and needs. Frugalware is installed from a DVD, with default software choices and desktop environment chosen for the user already.''
 
  
I am pretty sure that some time ago I installed Frugalware from a CD (250 MB or so) and got a minimal base environment that I expanded with Pacman according to my choices and needs. --[[User:Markus00000|Markus00000]] 16:23, 1 November 2011 (EDT)
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Pretty sure that's partially wrong for Testing outside of a freeze.--[[User:GeneralFailer|GeneralFailer]] ([[User talk:GeneralFailer|talk]]) 18:54, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
  
== Style consistency ==
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:You mean that Testing got closer to Unstable over time? Yes, but then again Arch usually updates faster than Unstable anyway I'd say (distrowatch package selection). Feel free to correct the statement to what you think matches better. --[[User:Indigo|Indigo]] ([[User talk:Indigo|talk]]) 22:09, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
Some distro use bullet points while others do not. Make all of the bullet will make this page more consistency. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 00:45, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
  
== Mandriva -> Mageia? ==
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::It seems Arch's maintainers don't package unstable official releases, while Debian Testing does when out of a freeze. I don't have the required permissions.--[[User:GeneralFailer|GeneralFailer]] ([[User talk:GeneralFailer|talk]]) 11:47, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Should we compare Arch to [http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mandriva Mandriva] or to [http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mageia Mageia]? The latter is more popular and is has been inclued in [http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major Top Ten Distributions] Distrowatch list in place of Mandriva. -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] ([[User talk:Karol|talk]]) 00:38, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 
  
== The *BSDs ==
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:::How do you make a general rule of this? Arch has some packages with are taken directly from the upstream master branch (see e.g. [https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/thunar&id=8e4facfd43e69bf3fd16dc3c396555677555a80d thunar] before an upstream release), while Debian unstable has some packages that are years behind (e.g. [https://packages.debian.org/sid/geogebra geogebra]). It also leaves out the "experimental" branch where debian maintainers more or less arbitrarily put new upstream versions (e.g. [https://packages.debian.org/experimental/systemd systemd]). Or the fact how incomplete rebuilds are pushed directly to unstable (see [https://qa.debian.org/dose/debcheck/unstable_main/index.html Debian Weather]), while in Arch we have a separate [staging] repository for that. All of this is far outside the scope of this article. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 15:55, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
''...along with a similar init framework...''
 
  
I'm no expert on *BSDs, but weren't initscripts similar to *BSDs' init system? Now we have systemd...
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::::I moved with [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_compared_to_other_distributions&type=revision&diff=471281&oldid=466779], it sure is more accurate. Are you ok with it like this GeneralFailer? --[[User:Indigo|Indigo]] ([[User talk:Indigo|talk]]) 16:18, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
  
==i386==
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:::::Yeah, this sounds fair then. --[[User:GeneralFailer|GeneralFailer]] ([[User talk:GeneralFailer|talk]]) 17:29, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
''[Moved from the main article. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 02:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)]''
 
  
Has not Linus deprecated i386 from the kernel now? --[[User:Gm5729|Gm5729]]
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== <s>Fedora MP3 Support</s> ==
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"Fedora refuses to include '''MP3 media support''' and other non-free software in official repositories due to its dedication to free software, though third-party repositories are available for such packages. Arch is more lenient in its disposition toward '''MP3''' and non-free software, leaving the discernment to the user."
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Fedora now includes support for MP3 playback via packages in the official repositories. See: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/rpms/gstreamer1-plugin-mpg123/
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--[[User:Bccpc|Bccpc]] ([[User talk:Bccpc|talk]]) 15:39, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
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:[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_compared_to_other_distributions&diff=471757&oldid=471281], thanks -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 15:51, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 15:51, 24 March 2017

On Debian Testing

"Arch packages are more current than Debian Stable and Testing, being more comparable to the Debian Unstable branch, and has no fixed release schedule."

Pretty sure that's partially wrong for Testing outside of a freeze.--GeneralFailer (talk) 18:54, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

You mean that Testing got closer to Unstable over time? Yes, but then again Arch usually updates faster than Unstable anyway I'd say (distrowatch package selection). Feel free to correct the statement to what you think matches better. --Indigo (talk) 22:09, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
It seems Arch's maintainers don't package unstable official releases, while Debian Testing does when out of a freeze. I don't have the required permissions.--GeneralFailer (talk) 11:47, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
How do you make a general rule of this? Arch has some packages with are taken directly from the upstream master branch (see e.g. thunar before an upstream release), while Debian unstable has some packages that are years behind (e.g. geogebra). It also leaves out the "experimental" branch where debian maintainers more or less arbitrarily put new upstream versions (e.g. systemd). Or the fact how incomplete rebuilds are pushed directly to unstable (see Debian Weather), while in Arch we have a separate [staging] repository for that. All of this is far outside the scope of this article. -- Alad (talk) 15:55, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
I moved with [1], it sure is more accurate. Are you ok with it like this GeneralFailer? --Indigo (talk) 16:18, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, this sounds fair then. --GeneralFailer (talk) 17:29, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Fedora MP3 Support

"Fedora refuses to include MP3 media support and other non-free software in official repositories due to its dedication to free software, though third-party repositories are available for such packages. Arch is more lenient in its disposition toward MP3 and non-free software, leaving the discernment to the user."

Fedora now includes support for MP3 playback via packages in the official repositories. See: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/rpms/gstreamer1-plugin-mpg123/

--Bccpc (talk) 15:39, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

[2], thanks -- Alad (talk) 15:51, 24 March 2017 (UTC)