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::I'm not sure I agree re. ESR. It is an exemplary exposition of the critical thinking required to effectively engage with a technical audience. I have no issues with people finding it difficult; this isn't a distro like Ubuntu where popularity is a consideration. Our focus is on contribution, so a degree of proficiency, or the desire to attain proficiency, is a prerequisite. Reading ''Smart Questions'' is a  pretty good gauge of that willingness. [[User:Jasonwryan|Jasonwryan]] ([[User talk:Jasonwryan|talk]]) 06:58, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 
::I'm not sure I agree re. ESR. It is an exemplary exposition of the critical thinking required to effectively engage with a technical audience. I have no issues with people finding it difficult; this isn't a distro like Ubuntu where popularity is a consideration. Our focus is on contribution, so a degree of proficiency, or the desire to attain proficiency, is a prerequisite. Reading ''Smart Questions'' is a  pretty good gauge of that willingness. [[User:Jasonwryan|Jasonwryan]] ([[User talk:Jasonwryan|talk]]) 06:58, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  
== <s>Change category</s> ==
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== Fora vs Forums ==
  
To [[:Category:Arch community]]. --[[User:Larivact|Larivact]] ([[User talk:Larivact|talk]]) 18:22, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
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I noticed that while referring to the plural of "forum", some parts of this page used "fora" while others used "forums". Would it be possible to standardize the plural of "forum" on this page?
  
:[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Code_of_conduct&diff=554546&oldid=554537] -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:27, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
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[[User:Somebody62|Somebody62]] ([[User talk:Somebody62|talk]]) 20:42, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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:"fora" generally refers to the various Arch Linux official communities (the forums, IRC, MLs), whereas "forums" is used to specifically denote the bulletin boards (bbs.archlinux.org), which is comprised of a number of different fora. Hope that helps :) [[User:Jasonwryan|Jasonwryan]] ([[User talk:Jasonwryan|talk]]) 21:35, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
  
== Common sense ==
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== Extend the no-bots clause for IRC ==
I don't understand the first point, what would you think of "If you choose to use the Archlinux distribution, you are welcome and you are encouraged to adhere to Arch Linux principles." ? -- [[User:Kewl|Kewl]] ([[User talk:Kewl|talk]]) 19:26, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 
  
: My preference is for "embrace" - which has a positive connotation, as opposed to "adhere" which is ''slightly'' less so. [[User:Jasonwryan|Jasonwryan]] ([[User talk:Jasonwryan|talk]]) 23:30, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
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Recent event's have shown that people interpret the
  
== Undiscussed changes ==
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* There is only one official channel bot. {{ic|phrik!~archbot@archlinux/bot/phrik}}. Do not spam bot commands and limit your usage to things that are helpful. If you want to bring your own bot into any Arch Linux channel, ask the operators before doing so.
  
I was appalled that '''once again''', maintainers made unwarranted changes to cosysop pages they have no place in editing. Neither [[User:Kewl]] <s>or [[User:Svito]]</s> are staff (in particular, neither forum or IRC mods), yet made the following changes in meaning:
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Rule in very different ways and have been sneaking in bridges to other chat protocols (usually discord) into the #archlinux channel.
* advice on computer product ''recommendations'' to advice on computer ''products'' in general. Anything classifies as a general computer product, including Arch itself. Hence the added '''recommendations'''.
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This is against freenode's [https://freenode.net/changuide 'no logging without permission' ] guidelines, which the channel operators adopt for #archlinux.
* ''actively'' discouraged was changed to ''strongly'' discouraged. "strongly" is vague, ''actively'' implies administrative action, which is indeed the action taken on spam.
 
The page has been reverted to [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Code_of_conduct&oldid=553690]. In line with [[User_talk:Larivact#DeveloperWiki]], I've revoked the cosysop right for both maintainers during the period of 2 weeks from now on. Should any of you pull this kind of stuff again, it won't be pretty.
 
-- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:03, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 
  
:Thanks? My changes were only [[Special:Diff/554505|inserting spaces]] that do not change how page is rendered at all and [[Special:Diff/554516|using available wikilinks inside sections]] instead of using section headers. I even started my own draft page so if I would plan to any actual string changes I would make it to draft not real thing. -- [[User:Svito|Svito]] ([[User talk:Svito|talk]]) 22:17, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
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I would like to extend or supplement that rule with something like:
  
::Sorry, with the sudden 15 changes to the article I didn't inspect the authors closely enough. Reverted your cosysop removal. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:21, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
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* Bridging channels to other communication protocols like discord, matrix, slack, etc. is not allowed without the permission of the channel operators.
  
:::Since you have only 2 objections, I will revert again and fix those two separately. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 09:51, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
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* Do not publish logs, processed or not, to the public without asking the operators for permission.
  
:I unintentionally changed the meaning and understand the demotion, this will not happen again. Apologies to [[User:Svito]] for involving you, unintentionally as well, into this. -- [[User:Kewl|Kewl]] ([[User talk:Kewl|talk]]) 23:02, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
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I'm not entirely happy with the explicit mention of these three messengers and would welcome suggestions to generalize it. Merging these two into the existing "no Bots" clause would be fine but I fear it would make it overly long and hard to read.
  
== List of proposed amendments ==
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[[User:Namarrgon|Namarrgon]] ([[User talk:Namarrgon|talk]]) 12:28, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
  
I am submitting below some minor points I have noticed going through the page for review by [[User:Alad]] or other staff:
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:How about: "Do not publish logs without the permission of operators, nor bridge to other protocols like discord, slack etc., without permission". [[User:Jasonwryan|Jasonwryan]] ([[User talk:Jasonwryan|talk]]) 07:55, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
* Change 50'''Kb''' ''into'' 50''' kB''': the internationally recommended unit symbol for the kilobyte is kB https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobyte#cite_note-IEC80000-1
 
* If the staff in any of the fora '''feel''' that ''into'' '''considers''' that: staff is a collective noun and singular is generally used in US English. It involves the judgement of the staff rather than the feeling. Using plural can be appropriate in some circumstances (one can find debates around this topic in forums).
 
* This type of content is much better suited to a blog or other personal web space and '''are''' considered  ''into'' '''is'''
 
* True freedom in this community is to cultivate benevolence toward others and harmonize our attitude with the Arch Way by bringing only benefit to our peers ''into'' true freedom in this community is to cultivate benevolence toward others and '''to''' harmonize our attitude with the Arch Way by bringing only benefit'''s''' to our peers
 
 
 
-- [[User:Kewl|Kewl]] ([[User talk:Kewl|talk]]) 09:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Thank you for doing this review. If these are the changes you've made, they should be applied again now - please check that. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 10:00, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 
::Agreed: these are good. Thanks. [[User:Jasonwryan|Jasonwryan]] ([[User talk:Jasonwryan|talk]]) 15:26, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 

Latest revision as of 07:55, 2 May 2019

Maybe make the section "correct" more clear

I'd like to see a clearer title for that section and add a little more on how users should effectively ask for help and report issues. ie they need to state the whole problem and what they have already tried as well as logs and error messages. how to report and ask smart questions are both great links.

Maybe "don't ask to ask" could also be added, as in, "can someone help me? My Arch install is broken!" type of messages.Meskarune (talk) 01:15, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't think the ask smart questions is such a great link to give people. It's good for understanding our culture but it's not good for smooth relations with people asking questions. However, I do think how to report should be added; it's concise and to the point without risking antagonizing the person with a question. MacGyver (talk) 14:00, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, maybe https://askubuntu.com/help/how-to-ask would be a better link to use. It is shorter, nicer and clearer than ESR's doc. Meskarune (talk) 03:26, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure I agree re. ESR. It is an exemplary exposition of the critical thinking required to effectively engage with a technical audience. I have no issues with people finding it difficult; this isn't a distro like Ubuntu where popularity is a consideration. Our focus is on contribution, so a degree of proficiency, or the desire to attain proficiency, is a prerequisite. Reading Smart Questions is a pretty good gauge of that willingness. Jasonwryan (talk) 06:58, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Fora vs Forums

I noticed that while referring to the plural of "forum", some parts of this page used "fora" while others used "forums". Would it be possible to standardize the plural of "forum" on this page?

Somebody62 (talk) 20:42, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

"fora" generally refers to the various Arch Linux official communities (the forums, IRC, MLs), whereas "forums" is used to specifically denote the bulletin boards (bbs.archlinux.org), which is comprised of a number of different fora. Hope that helps :) Jasonwryan (talk) 21:35, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Extend the no-bots clause for IRC

Recent event's have shown that people interpret the

  • There is only one official channel bot. phrik!~archbot@archlinux/bot/phrik. Do not spam bot commands and limit your usage to things that are helpful. If you want to bring your own bot into any Arch Linux channel, ask the operators before doing so.

Rule in very different ways and have been sneaking in bridges to other chat protocols (usually discord) into the #archlinux channel. This is against freenode's 'no logging without permission' guidelines, which the channel operators adopt for #archlinux.

I would like to extend or supplement that rule with something like:

  • Bridging channels to other communication protocols like discord, matrix, slack, etc. is not allowed without the permission of the channel operators.
  • Do not publish logs, processed or not, to the public without asking the operators for permission.

I'm not entirely happy with the explicit mention of these three messengers and would welcome suggestions to generalize it. Merging these two into the existing "no Bots" clause would be fine but I fear it would make it overly long and hard to read.

Namarrgon (talk) 12:28, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

How about: "Do not publish logs without the permission of operators, nor bridge to other protocols like discord, slack etc., without permission". Jasonwryan (talk) 07:55, 2 May 2019 (UTC)