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:D-Bus .service files are not systemd units. (Secondly, in both DBus and systemd, user services are fully separate from system services.) [[User:Grawity|grawity]] ([[User talk:Grawity|talk]]) 23:34, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 
:D-Bus .service files are not systemd units. (Secondly, in both DBus and systemd, user services are fully separate from system services.) [[User:Grawity|grawity]] ([[User talk:Grawity|talk]]) 23:34, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 
:: Alright. Now that dbus vs. systemd is clarified, should I have a {{ic|/usr/lib/notification-daemon-1.0}} directory? Or is the statement "the notification server needs to be launched" accurate given that I didn't do it and things worked with dunst? Or should the page differentiate "dbus vs. the options below" if they are independent? I'm just trying to have a discussion about whether or not the page is as clear as it could be. In my view, the wiki is providing education to users. I am a novice user of this particular topic and it wasn't clear. I'm trying to have a discussion about that. [[User:Jwhendy|Jwhendy]] ([[User talk:Jwhendy|talk]]) 23:43, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 
:: Alright. Now that dbus vs. systemd is clarified, should I have a {{ic|/usr/lib/notification-daemon-1.0}} directory? Or is the statement "the notification server needs to be launched" accurate given that I didn't do it and things worked with dunst? Or should the page differentiate "dbus vs. the options below" if they are independent? I'm just trying to have a discussion about whether or not the page is as clear as it could be. In my view, the wiki is providing education to users. I am a novice user of this particular topic and it wasn't clear. I'm trying to have a discussion about that. [[User:Jwhendy|Jwhendy]] ([[User talk:Jwhendy|talk]]) 23:43, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
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:::That directory is just for the "original" GNOME Classic notification-daemon. All the other implementations (xfce-notify, dunst, notify-osd...) are independent and install to different places.
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:::Yes, those two options are independent. DBus .service files are only an autostart mechanism, not needed for the service to work in general.
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:::The fact that there are several implementations of the same service means it's ''recommended'' for the DE/WM to launch the correct implementation manually, and they all ''should not'' install DBus .service files for autolaunching (because if you install multiple, it's impossible to choose which one gets autolaunched).
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:::Though dunst goes against this recommendation and installs a .service file anyway, so as a result running notify-send autostarts it for you. [[User:Grawity|grawity]] ([[User talk:Grawity|talk]]) 05:34, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Revision as of 05:34, 2 January 2018

Clarification on setting up standalone environment

I just went through this for the first time and found this bit confusing:

""" In other desktop environments, the notification server needs to be launched using your WM's/DE's "autostart" option.

It can also be launched on the first call via D-Bus, adding the following configuration to its services directory /usr/share/dbus-1/services respectively $XDG_DATA_HOME/dbus-1/services, e.g.

org.freedesktop.Notifications.service
[D-BUS Service]
Name=org.freedesktop.Notifications
Exec=/usr/lib/notification-daemon-1.0/notification-daemon

"""

I expected /usr/lib/notification-daemon-1.0 to exist, but it didn't. I also didn't see any systemd units containing "notif." In the end, I was able to install dusnt and things just worked when issuing notify-sent "test", which would indicate that that section might be either/or? If so, that would be awesome to clarify. Maybe dbus setup is one way, *or* you can install one of the other packages. Since dunst mentions it takes dbus notifications, I assumed I needed to do something to get it to work. To my knowledge, I haven't. If there is such a step, perhaps that check could be cited as well (e.g. "To ensure things are setup properly, issue this command and check for this output."). There's surprisingly little out there about notifications and openbox, so it would be great for this to be a comprehensive source for others! Jwhendy (talk) 23:23, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

D-Bus .service files are not systemd units. (Secondly, in both DBus and systemd, user services are fully separate from system services.) grawity (talk) 23:34, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Alright. Now that dbus vs. systemd is clarified, should I have a /usr/lib/notification-daemon-1.0 directory? Or is the statement "the notification server needs to be launched" accurate given that I didn't do it and things worked with dunst? Or should the page differentiate "dbus vs. the options below" if they are independent? I'm just trying to have a discussion about whether or not the page is as clear as it could be. In my view, the wiki is providing education to users. I am a novice user of this particular topic and it wasn't clear. I'm trying to have a discussion about that. Jwhendy (talk) 23:43, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
That directory is just for the "original" GNOME Classic notification-daemon. All the other implementations (xfce-notify, dunst, notify-osd...) are independent and install to different places.
Yes, those two options are independent. DBus .service files are only an autostart mechanism, not needed for the service to work in general.
The fact that there are several implementations of the same service means it's recommended for the DE/WM to launch the correct implementation manually, and they all should not install DBus .service files for autolaunching (because if you install multiple, it's impossible to choose which one gets autolaunched).
Though dunst goes against this recommendation and installs a .service file anyway, so as a result running notify-send autostarts it for you. grawity (talk) 05:34, 2 January 2018 (UTC)