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(Is ok that "malignant code" is not tolerated on the forum, but is not ok to say is illegal: A contrary response to Chrisl's proposal.)
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== Shouldn't "22 Spam" be merged into "9 Advertising/Solicitation"? Why keep them separate separate?  ==
 
 
And maybe substitute "plugging" for something else. Urban dictionary has some very funny definitions on that: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=plugging
 
 
--[[User:DSpider|DSpider]] ([[User talk:DSpider|talk]]) 14:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Is ok that "malignant code" is not tolerated on the forum, but is not ok to say is illegal ==
 
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:[[User:AdamT|AdamT]] ([[User talk:AdamT|talk]]) 05:10, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 
:[[User:AdamT|AdamT]] ([[User talk:AdamT|talk]]) 05:10, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
  
== To use pastebin.com or not ==
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== Posted image size ==
[[Forum_Etiquette#Pasting_Pictures_and_Code]] v. [[Pastebin#Pastebin_clients]] warning. -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] ([[User talk:Karol|talk]]) 12:38, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
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1. Do we keep [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Forum_etiquette#Pasting_Pictures_and_Code the current restrictions] or do we loosen / revise them? The current 250x250px and < 50 klilobyte is fine with me, but we currently use [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobyte Kb] which seems to be the wrong unit, <s>even though [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KB the disambiguation page] says "Kilobyte (Kb)". I've always thought [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobit 'b' is for 'bit', not 'byte'].</s>.
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:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=KB&diff=600496395&oldid=596484221 'Kb' is a recent change], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=KB&diff=next&oldid=600496395 I've undone it]. -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] ([[User talk:Karol|talk]]) 12:42, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
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2. What forum sections / threads are free from these restrictions?
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-- [[User:Karol|Karol]] ([[User talk:Karol|talk]]) 12:35, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
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:The only thread where this is disregarded is the "I'm bored, let's have an image thread." [[User:Jasonwryan|jasonwryan]] ([[User talk:Jasonwryan|talk]]) 16:38, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
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::I don't think we need an extra rule for just one thread ... -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 09:00, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
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== <s>Ad “Pasting pictures and code”: always post links (incl. thumbs with links)</s> ==
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A little suggestion: can the following fragment:
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::''“Do not post full screen pictures; use thumbnails instead.”''
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be replaced with this?
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::''“Do not post full screen pictures; use links to the images instead, optionally with thumbnails.”''
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The latter puts more emphasis on linking the resource instead of embedding it, and treats thumbnails as an aid for the thread reader, not the content itself.
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'''Rationale:''' pictures without links are problematic to users who have embedded pictures disabled, block hotlinking from some servers or use text-mode browsers (not that unusual during early OS setup or fixing things).
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--[[User:Mpan|Mpan]] ([[User talk:Mpan|talk]]) 08:48, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
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:Good suggestion, implemented. [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Forum_etiquette&diff=420151&oldid=395918] Closing. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 08:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
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== Ad “Pasting pictures and code”: link to [[Copying text from a terminal]] ==
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May a link to [[Copying text from a terminal]] be added in the following fragment?
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: ''“Do not post screenshots of text output; post the actual text.”''
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Expected result:
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: ''“Do not post screenshots of text output; post [[Copying text from a terminal|the actual text]].”''
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--[[User:Mpan|Mpan]] ([[User talk:Mpan|talk]]) 08:47, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
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== Addition to Cross-posting ==
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Currently we have the cross-posting section which says:
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  Cross-posting is posting the same question multiple times in different subforums.
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It doesn't cover the scenario when users post multiple threads pertaining to the same topic, with or without minor changes, in the same subforum. So, I suggest that the section be changed to "Cross-posting/Posting multiple topics" and cover the above mentioned scenario in that.
  
:I was about to talk about this myself. Below is a copy of what the warning says. These two pages disagree. --[[User:AdamT|AdamT]] ([[User talk:AdamT|talk]]) 04:51, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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[[User:X33a|X33a]] ([[User talk:X33a|talk]]) 05:54, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
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:{{Warning|Do not use [http://pastebin.com/ pastebin.com]. It appears to be the most popular site but it is slow, full of adverts, formats the text badly (it will mess up your code) and many people can not even open the site due to aggressive spam filters.}}
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Latest revision as of 05:54, 19 March 2016

Is ok that "malignant code" is not tolerated on the forum, but is not ok to say is illegal

It says is illegal the creation of "malignant code" (I guess that includes things like trojan horses, viruses etc):

Therefore, do not post discussions about or link to criminal solicitation in any form. This includes, but is not limited (...) creation of malignant code (...)

I'm not saying it should be tolerated here, mostly because Arch forums are not for that. However, the creation of code with pontential malignant uses is LEGAL. (and there is no such thing as "malignant code"; code is not good or evil) About viruses and other malware, the illegal part is the use you give to the code.

So I think that bit should be moved out from the legality section to another part (not sure which one fits)

--Chrisl (talk) 22:30, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Chrisl,
The intent of this section seems clear to me from the following section (emphasis is mine):
In this context, "criminal solicitation" shall mean, "To actively or passively inform about, facilitate, incite, move, or persuade others to some act of lawlessness or illegal activity."
Perhaps it is a legally grey (or even white) area in some countries, but providing such information may indeed "passively inform [others] about" illegal activities. As such, to err on the safe side, the existing content seems proper.
Cheers!
AdamT (talk) 05:10, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Posted image size

1. Do we keep the current restrictions or do we loosen / revise them? The current 250x250px and < 50 klilobyte is fine with me, but we currently use Kb which seems to be the wrong unit, even though the disambiguation page says "Kilobyte (Kb)". I've always thought 'b' is for 'bit', not 'byte'..

'Kb' is a recent change, I've undone it. -- Karol (talk) 12:42, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

2. What forum sections / threads are free from these restrictions? -- Karol (talk) 12:35, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

The only thread where this is disregarded is the "I'm bored, let's have an image thread." jasonwryan (talk) 16:38, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
I don't think we need an extra rule for just one thread ... -- Alad (talk) 09:00, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Ad “Pasting pictures and code”: always post links (incl. thumbs with links)

A little suggestion: can the following fragment:

“Do not post full screen pictures; use thumbnails instead.”

be replaced with this?

“Do not post full screen pictures; use links to the images instead, optionally with thumbnails.”

The latter puts more emphasis on linking the resource instead of embedding it, and treats thumbnails as an aid for the thread reader, not the content itself.

Rationale: pictures without links are problematic to users who have embedded pictures disabled, block hotlinking from some servers or use text-mode browsers (not that unusual during early OS setup or fixing things). --Mpan (talk) 08:48, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Good suggestion, implemented. [1] Closing. -- Alad (talk) 08:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Ad “Pasting pictures and code”: link to Copying text from a terminal

May a link to Copying text from a terminal be added in the following fragment?

“Do not post screenshots of text output; post the actual text.”

Expected result:

“Do not post screenshots of text output; post the actual text.”

--Mpan (talk) 08:47, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Addition to Cross-posting

Currently we have the cross-posting section which says:

 Cross-posting is posting the same question multiple times in different subforums.

It doesn't cover the scenario when users post multiple threads pertaining to the same topic, with or without minor changes, in the same subforum. So, I suggest that the section be changed to "Cross-posting/Posting multiple topics" and cover the above mentioned scenario in that.

X33a (talk) 05:54, 19 March 2016 (UTC)