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I created the initial page, and really don't care much about the layout.  Feel free to go nuts and reorganize.
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== Rename ==
The initial list of users was created from my pirc stats, and not from memory.  So the most prolific posters ended up on the list.  I'd suggest that if your adding yourself to the list, link to your userpage.  Then link to any screenshots, blogs, etc from there.
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: Major update of the page. Comments and suggestions are more than welcome, and so are edits
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: [[User:Mr.Elendig|Mr.Elendig]] 13:22, 7 April 2008 (EDT)
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== List of operators from the future? ==
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I think [[IRC channel]] and [[IRC channels]] are too similar — and thus confusing — titles, what do people think of renaming them to respectively "Official IRC channel" and "Unofficial IRC channels"? — [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 03:23, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
  
its still 29 days until 31.08.2008!
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:I completely agree with you, it is very confusing. Ideally, I wanted to rename "IRC channel" to "IRC", describing how to use IRC itself and available clients; and do not rename page "IRC channels", but move there info about all (official + unofficial) channels.
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:I was thinking about your variant too. If you do not agree with my variant, then I want say, that renaming with your variant is better anyway than leaving titles as now. — [[User:Agent0|Agent0]] ([[User_talk:Agent0|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Agent0|contribs]]) 11:08, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
  
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::I've just remembered we discussed much of this in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:IRC_channels&oldid=329997#Merging IRC channel and IRC channels]. We can still rename [[IRC channels]] to [[Unofficial IRC channels]] though.
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::I'm not sure about a generic [[IRC]] page (currently the title redirects to [[IRC channel]]), there are already many guides online; on the other hand, we are keeping articles like [[Git]], and opposing an article about IRC usage would be incoherent IMO. For this reason I'm not going to oppose the idea, nor endorse it, so if nobody brings objections here, I suppose you can go ahead. You may even use [[IRC Collaborative Debugging]] as a starting point.
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::— [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 15:58, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
  
: Well, arch is the future after all >_> 
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:::We could do a subpage, e.g [[IRC channel/Listing]]. Messy solution.
: But it's fixed now since the date have passed :D
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:::I also wouldn't oppose initiating an [[IRC]] article, but focusing on Arch-related aspects and conventions, instead of yet another guide as you say. It would inevitably duplicate [[IRC channel]] though. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 21:22, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
: [[User:Mr.Elendig|Mr.Elendig]]
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== Offtopic-statistics ==
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== freenode FAQ's instructions 404'ed ==
  
: Could one of the ops perhaps add the link to the stats page? http://hax0r.se/aotstats.html
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Link in Usage paragraph: [https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup] expired.
: I accidentally it to the entry, since I missed the "warning".  
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== Language ==
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I believe this is a up-to-date url: [https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration].
 
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<s>In [[IRC_Channel#Abbreviations_and_jargon]], please remove ''"(Yes, fine and not f*ing)"''. The explanation destroys the meta-humor and the repitition of the phrase multiplies that negative effect. --[[User:Qubodup|Qubodup]] 08:11, 27 November 2008 (EST)</s>
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: Done. -- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 20:23, 14 October 2010 (EDT)
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And could the fine be change to friendly ?
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English is not my native anguage, so I don't know if it's grammaticaly correct, but sound way better for my.
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--[[User:Gkrnours|Gkrnours]] 14:01, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
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: Fine is correct, and commonly-used in this scenario. -- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 20:23, 14 October 2010 (EDT)
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== Some grammatical errors: ==
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The inner grammar nazi in me has found a few grammatical errors in the page, but as I'm not an op, I won't change them.  I'd be willing to correct them if the powers that be say that I may.
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<s>"The only exception are 'away' responses at nick highlight."  Should either read "exception is" or "exceptions are"</s>
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<s>"Advertising are not allowed unless an op have given you permission to do so."  Should read "Advertising is not allowed unless an op has..."  Same under the #archlinux-offtopic section.</s>
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<s>"The channel topic often contain useful and/or important information."  Needs an "s" at the end of "contain".</s>
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<s>"Also feel free to notify an channel operator." Should read "...a channel operator...".</s>
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<s>"Don't be shy, feel free to help others, 'everyone' got something contribute." Should either read "...'everyone's got..." or ...'everyone' has...</s>
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-- Unsigned
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:These issues have been addressed. -- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 20:20, 14 October 2010 (EDT)
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== Making it easier for newbs. ==
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Sorry, I didn't see the op-only warning before making a few changes to make it a little clearer on how to connect for first time IRC users like me. I just added some extra verbiage before the IRC commands /connect and /join and some extra verbiage right before the NickServ detail.
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I think it is more helpful now though. [[User:Trusktr|Trusktr]] 13:36, 7 September 2010 (EDT)
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== Pornographic material ==
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It's becoming more and more apparent to me that the (--offtopic) channel consists of a lot of young "lads" who deem it fit to discuss pornography at any time of day or night. Yes, I know it's an offtopic channel and as such there should be a lot of leeway with regards to open discussion however links to what can only be considered extreme pornography cannot be sanctioned surely. Watching the channel, there are often calls for pictures from at least one of the female members - something that is again in my opinion highly inappropriate. At the moment looking in channel there has just been a ban against one member for a racial comment yet nothing apparent has been said of his/her link to a site that is extreme in nature - go figure. I would call upon the chanops to at least have some debate on this in an effort to reduce this type of material being presented. -- [[User:Suhana|Suhana]] 17:43, 8 December 2010 (EST)
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Pornographic material and sexual harassment are absolutely unacceptable per the Freenode policies as outlined here [http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#offtopic]. I will bring this up with the Trusted Users. --[[User:Kaitocracy|Kaitocracy]] 02:28, 13 December 2010 (EST)
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== Misogyny? ==
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The gender-related invective is actually quite astonishing in #archlinux-offtopic. As I've said, I understand freedom is required in offtopic channels however continual and repeated snide attacks (for example: posting links to youtube clips) against the girls is utterly incomprehensible. I can accept that while freenode have their set of rules, it is upto the channel operators to enforce those rules something that is clearly not being done. I will also accept that this is going to be difficult to maintain a 24/7 presence as few have the fortitude or desire to sit there acting as monitor for so long, however I do feel that as the situation stands, not enough is being done to ensure a gender safe environment. (Again as an example, discussing and joking about rape I can see no place in civilized conversation).
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Personally I'm not seeking any special treatment - when an old friend comes into channel and greets me with a peck on the cheek, I have absolutely no problems with it, when I see people discussing the fact that they would f... a woman named "off" or being told to get on skype or f... off I wonder just why we need to be subjected to such boorish behaviour. /IGNORE has its benefits and its drawbacks - notably when people abuse useful repeaters of whatever nature. There does appear to be a few good inhabitants, and for that reason I've no wish to drop out from -offtopic, however as it stands it's really quite badly maintained and I respectfully submit that more needs to be done. [[User:Suhana|Suhana]] 12:55, 24 December 2010 (EST)
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Anyone who have a issue with what's being said/linked to in the channel should contact the ops directly. It is a more efficient and apropiate way of dealing with it.[[User:Mr.Elendig|Mr.Elendig]]
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== '/query nickserv' doesn't work ==
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Instead '/msg nickserv' should be used. I would want to change this page accordingly.
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--[[User:Turris|Turris]] 08:31, 5 November 2011 (EDT)
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: '/query' works in most clients, for those that don't have it, use '/msg' or '/quote ns' instead.
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: /msg has the disadvantage that on many clients it will not open a new query window, so the responce from nickserv ends up hiden on the server buffer instead
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: [[User:Mr.Elendig|Mr.Elendig]] 13:39, 22 November 2011 (EST)
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== #archlinux_guidelines update suggestion ==
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I suggest the quoted block below as a replacement for the current content of [[IRC_Channel#.23archlinux_guidelines|#archlinux guidelines]]
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It is intended to me more concise, easier to read and reference (thanks to being in a numbered list), neutral/professional rather than ranting. Some uncertain-sounding statements were replaced by more direct words.
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# The language of the channel is English. If you need help in another language, search [[IRC_Channels#International_IRC_Channels|international arch channels]].
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# Read the {{ic|/topic}} on a regular basis. It often contains important information.
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# Do not participate in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(Internet)#Flame_wars flamewars], instantly report violators and trolls to [[#.23archlinux-offtopic_operators|channel operators]].
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# Do not spam the channel, use a pastebin to share something longer than three lines. {{ic|program &> program-output.txt}} in combination with [[Pastebin Clients|pastebin clients]] can ease this step.
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# Do not abuse phrik (the channel bot). If you want to try out commands or look trough the help function, then do it in a {{ic|/query}} or {{ic|/msg}}. Example: {{ic|/query phrik help <command>}}.
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# Do not ask whether anyone is alive or uses your software, just state your question.
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# [http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Ask smart questions]. It is easier for us to help you when you ask good/smart questions.
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# Do not demand help, ask for it. Wait for a few minutes before restating questions. Most questions get answered by 'just another user', like you.
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# Do not be shy, feel free to help others, every user has something to contribute. The channel is a community effort to provide support, and depends on volunteers.
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# Help yourself before you ask. Use [[Special:Search|wiki search]], use [https://bbs.archlinux.org/search.php forum search], read [[Man Page|man pages]] and try [http://www.google.com Google]. This method will get you an answer faster, and will teach you more.
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# When asking for help, always reply to people that ask you for more information, if you do not know the answer then say so.
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# Set a good example. Each user's behavior affects all users in the channel. Be friendly and polite to maintain a pleasant and professional climate.</blockquote>
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--[[User:Qubodup|Qubodup]] 10:15, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
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:Looks certainly better than the current section, however you should request feedback directly in #archlinux or on the forums. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 08:07, 15 March 2012 (EDT)
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:: Thanks for the suggestion. I asked for review [https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=140967 on the forums] and am currently doing the same on #archlinux.--[[User:Qubodup|Qubodup]] ([[User talk:Qubodup|talk]]) 11:26, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
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:: I think this looks great. And it gives more information for new channel users. --[[User:Meskarune|Meskarune]] ([[User talk:Meskarune|talk]]) 10:14, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
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== Typo in #archlinux guidelines==
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Number five under #archlinux guidelines says "look trough the help function". --[[User:CrashLog|CrashLog]] ([[User talk:CrashLog|talk]]) 17:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 17:19, 12 April 2016

Rename

I think IRC channel and IRC channels are too similar — and thus confusing — titles, what do people think of renaming them to respectively "Official IRC channel" and "Unofficial IRC channels"? — Kynikos (talk) 03:23, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I completely agree with you, it is very confusing. Ideally, I wanted to rename "IRC channel" to "IRC", describing how to use IRC itself and available clients; and do not rename page "IRC channels", but move there info about all (official + unofficial) channels.
I was thinking about your variant too. If you do not agree with my variant, then I want say, that renaming with your variant is better anyway than leaving titles as now. — Agent0 (talk|contribs) 11:08, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
I've just remembered we discussed much of this in IRC channel and IRC channels. We can still rename IRC channels to Unofficial IRC channels though.
I'm not sure about a generic IRC page (currently the title redirects to IRC channel), there are already many guides online; on the other hand, we are keeping articles like Git, and opposing an article about IRC usage would be incoherent IMO. For this reason I'm not going to oppose the idea, nor endorse it, so if nobody brings objections here, I suppose you can go ahead. You may even use IRC Collaborative Debugging as a starting point.
Kynikos (talk) 15:58, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
We could do a subpage, e.g IRC channel/Listing. Messy solution.
I also wouldn't oppose initiating an IRC article, but focusing on Arch-related aspects and conventions, instead of yet another guide as you say. It would inevitably duplicate IRC channel though. -- Alad (talk) 21:22, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

freenode FAQ's instructions 404'ed

Link in Usage paragraph: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup expired.

I believe this is a up-to-date url: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration.