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::::::You, and many others, may consider them "Arch users", but the devs who run the forums, IRC, and bug tracker are the ones who really decide if they want those threads, discussions, and bugs to deal with. They have repeatedly said they won't support it due to the technical differences between a true Arch install and one on Windows.  -- [[User:Rdeckard|Rdeckard]] ([[User_talk:Rdeckard|talk]]) 11:30, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 
::::::You, and many others, may consider them "Arch users", but the devs who run the forums, IRC, and bug tracker are the ones who really decide if they want those threads, discussions, and bugs to deal with. They have repeatedly said they won't support it due to the technical differences between a true Arch install and one on Windows.  -- [[User:Rdeckard|Rdeckard]] ([[User_talk:Rdeckard|talk]]) 11:30, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::::If they want to close those those bugs and forums threads, that's fine. That doesn't mean we can't have this page. If we clearly mention that there are differences with a native Arch install, and that bug reports and support request are not welcome (with a warning like the example by Kynikos), I don't see the harm in having this page. -- [[User:Lonaowna|Lonaowna]] ([[User talk:Lonaowna|talk]]) 17:58, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::::If they want to close those those bugs and forums threads, that's fine. That doesn't mean we can't have this page. If we clearly mention that there are differences with a native Arch install, and that bug reports and support request are not welcome (with a warning like the example by Kynikos), I don't see the harm in having this page. -- [[User:Lonaowna|Lonaowna]] ([[User talk:Lonaowna|talk]]) 17:58, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
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:::::::I think real Arch Users are interessted in WSL, because they stuck on win10 at work. For example I have arch linux running on two PCs since 9 years (and installed arch linux on about 100 PCs on my university). So I think I'm an "Arch user". At work on my Surface I've got Windows 10 here WSL is the only way. I don't understands why there is no wiki page, that explains the situation; Tthat it is not (fully) supported and below that, the needed installion steps to run arch linux in WSL. --[[User:trunneml|trunneml]] 22:34, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

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Category or archive

I don't like leaving the article uncategorized: personally I consider the warning enough, perhaps we could also put it in this talk page, and leave the freedom to interested people to experiment and report the results in this article, I don't see the harm in doing that. If however mine is the minority opinion, let's just archive this page. -- Kynikos (talk) 15:04, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

The fact that the page exists justifies people asking support: "but I followed the wiki page". The warning is the bandaid, archiving the page is the cure. Jasonwryan (talk) 18:38, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm often the libertarian party here, I know :) but how often does that happen? Why not just ignore those requests? After all as far as I know nobody gets paid to answer support requests here, so nobody is required to do so, including the official staff (perhaps we could state this concept more explicitly and visibly). -- Kynikos (talk) 04:24, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
If only it were so easy. Each of those threads has to be closed with a note explaining why and then moved to the dustbin. It creates a significant amount of work for the team. Jasonwryan (talk) 04:40, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
So that answers my "how often does that happen" question, let's archive this then, cheers. -- Kynikos (talk) 04:59, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Done. -- Alad (talk) 10:28, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
FWIW, the archiving of this page was a bit of a pain for me earlier because of the hoop-jumping needed to find the text. Once found, the instructions were pretty simple & easy to follow. If the information's accurate and useful (which it was for me) then I agree with Kynikos, it feels retrograde to "hide" useful information because of id10+s. Of course, I don't have to close the silly support requests ;) -- PeteA (talk) 11:34, 20 Janurary 2018 (UTC)

Related: [arch-dev-public] Windows Subsystem Linux - Arch Linux as official container?

I kinda think we should unarchive this, as there is clearly interest on the topic, even by the devs. If the forum activity is really that bad we can slap a big note at the top saying "this is not supported. people asking for help about this will be banned!" -- Lonaowna (talk) 21:42, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree completely. There's plenty of content in the Wiki that isn't officially supported, that doesn't mean it can't be here and be maintained. That's kind of the point of a community maintained wiki. Scimmia (talk) 22:04, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
I think it's a little confusing to say something is or isn't "officially" supported. I think there are different levels of support given to users for different things, mainly based on how much of the community is invested in helping others with a particular area. Users who use the official installation guide are given community support. Users who install packages the normal way from official repositories are given community support, although if it is a niche package it may not be much support. Users who install packages from the AUR may or may not be given community support depending on how many people use that particular AUR package. I think the same might be true here with this area. -- Rdeckard (talk) 00:16, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
@Jasonwryan, what if we try to restore the article for a while with a clear warning, e.g.:
Warning: A WSL install is not an Arch Linux installation, do not ask for help in the Forums or the other official Arch Linux community support channels.
(this doesn't even say "please") and see how much trouble it still causes in the bbs?
-- Kynikos (talk) 16:16, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
If indeed it's going to be treated as a non-Arch Linux installation (bbs threads deleted, etc.), then my opinion is that we shouldn't have the page at all. People will be able to search the internet for how to install it on WSL and get support elsewhere. I had naively assumed the technical details of a regular Arch install and one on WSL would be similar above. -- Rdeckard (talk) 23:38, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Today, I read a discussion about official Arch on WSL in [arch-general]. I want to have a try so I open Arch wiki and search WSL. It is archived so I have to dig the history to find this topic.
My first action is search the page in Archwiki instead of Google/Baidu because I trust Archwiki. Most of the time, if there exist a page in Arch wiki, it will give me what I want better than any other sources found through search engine. I believe there are other Arch users think like me and so I vote for restore the page to help them.
Yes, it is not official. But users who installed or want to install Arch in Win10 are indeed Arch users. Arch wiki should help them. We could add warning like exist in Category:ARM architecture to reduce the loading on BBS.
--Fengchao (talk) 06:34, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
You, and many others, may consider them "Arch users", but the devs who run the forums, IRC, and bug tracker are the ones who really decide if they want those threads, discussions, and bugs to deal with. They have repeatedly said they won't support it due to the technical differences between a true Arch install and one on Windows. -- Rdeckard (talk) 11:30, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
If they want to close those those bugs and forums threads, that's fine. That doesn't mean we can't have this page. If we clearly mention that there are differences with a native Arch install, and that bug reports and support request are not welcome (with a warning like the example by Kynikos), I don't see the harm in having this page. -- Lonaowna (talk) 17:58, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
I think real Arch Users are interessted in WSL, because they stuck on win10 at work. For example I have arch linux running on two PCs since 9 years (and installed arch linux on about 100 PCs on my university). So I think I'm an "Arch user". At work on my Surface I've got Windows 10 here WSL is the only way. I don't understands why there is no wiki page, that explains the situation; Tthat it is not (fully) supported and below that, the needed installion steps to run arch linux in WSL. --trunneml 22:34, 4 February 2018 (UTC)