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== Read this first before add new suggestion ==
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== Read this first before adding new suggestions ==
* Point of this page is to ''not'' become another Beginner's guide. It's meant to be a ''concise'' checklist of things to be done. So detailed install instruction should go to [[Beginners' Guide]].
 
* If there is something to discuss which should also affect the Beginner's guide, then do it on [[Talk:Beginners%27_Guide/Installation]]. An advanced user will find this page less bloated and easier to read, so let's KISS.
 
  
== Prominently link to [[Beginners' Guide]] ==
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* The point of this page is to be a ''concise'' checklist of things to be done. Detailed instructions, if they are not specific to the installation process only, belong in wiki articles or upstream documentation describing the respective topics.
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* Should you have more complex changes for this guide in mind, create a copy on your user page, and link it here for review; e.g. [[User:Example/Installation guide]].
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* systemd tools such as ''hostnamectl'', ''timedatectl'' and ''localectl'' [https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/798#issuecomment-126568596 do not work] in the installation chroot environment, so please do not propose to use them in the guide unless you can prove that they have been made to work also in that case. See [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Beginners%27_guide&oldid=388727#General_problems], [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Beginners%27_guide&oldid=404695#Replace_commands_with_their_systemd_equivalents], [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Beginners%27_guide&oldid=418662#Utilizing_systemd_tools] and [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Installation_guide&oldid=434985#change_configuration_system_from_old_way_to_new_way.28using_systemd_commands.29] for some past discussions about this issue.
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* {{ic|localectl list-keymaps}} does not work due to bug {{Bug|46725}}. For the chosen replacement command, see [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Beginners%27_guide&oldid=435044#localectl].
  
From https://www.archlinux.org new users who want to install Arch are likely to end up here, while for them the [[Beginners' Guide]] is a much better fit. IMHO this should be noted in the introductionary paragraphs. --[[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]]) 18:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
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-- [[ArchWiki:Administrators|The ArchWiki Administrators]] 22:17, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
:I plan on improving this to the point where that shouldn't be necessary. Feedback on what needs to be added here to fill any gaps would be helpful. It's not going to duplicate high quality pages though. If they're not approachable for beginners it should be fixed there instead of duplicated. [[User:Thestinger|thestinger]] ([[User talk:Thestinger|talk]]) 03:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
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__TOC__
  
:Meaning in the future there ''will'' be no beginner's guide? --[[User:Ewtoombs|Ewtoombs]] ([[User talk:Ewtoombs|talk]]) 17:21, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
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== <s>"See ''foo''" vs "See the ''foo'' article"</s> ==
::Well I'm not setting out to delete it, but the purpose of having an entirely separate guide for beginners should begin to fade away. [[User:Thestinger|thestinger]] ([[User talk:Thestinger|talk]]) 09:03, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 
  
== Change section "Connect to the internet" ==
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:''[Moved from [[Talk:Beginners' guide]]. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 20:29, 12 July 2016 (UTC)]''
  
Since the installation guide is now part of the iso image, I'd like to see a few references to the manpages of the necessary tools here, since you cannot open the network related wiki pages. Maybe something like this would be acceptable:
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This revision [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Beginners%27_guide&diff=400266&oldid=400243] added a new mention of "See the ''foo'' article", rather than the more common "See ''foo''". I'd argue former is the better form, and when the guide is viewed from a .txt (if the BG/IG merge completes), the longer wording makes sense as well. Are there opinions against using the longer form throughout the BG? -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 00:13, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
  Assuming a wired ethernet connection, running dhclient or dhcpcd is  
 
  sufficient to get a lease. Otherwise set up the connection manually
 
  using ip add, wpa_supplicant (WLAN with WPA), pppoe-setup (DSL), etc.
 
  You can also create and use netcfg profiles. Read more in the manpages:
 
  ip(8), wpa_supplicant(8), pppoe(8), netcfg(8), netcfg-profiles(5)
 
A reminder to install the packages for the internet connection in the pacstrap section would also be nice. -- [[User:progandy|progandy]]
 
  
== Suggestions to update this guide as part of ISO ==
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:I'm neutral, so that doesn't count as an opinion against ^^ That said, the long form can only be used with links to entire articles, but more difficultly with links to specific sections such as "See also [[Pacman#pacman crashes the official installation media]]", since in those cases a more natural-sounding long form should be something like "See also the 'pacman crashes the official installation media' section of the [[Pacman]] article", I think, which is clearly ugly to see and use, so consistency is a bit hard to reach. — [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 16:13, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Since this guide is now being included as 'install.txt' in the ISO, it might be beneficial to incorporate the following changes:
 
* Entirely remove the '''1. Download''' section and move it to the Download area of the archlinux.org page. This document here is about installing, not downloading, checking, burning discs or dd'ing. The majority of users reading this have likely already booted up the install medium.
 
* Begin or end the document by mentioning the new archlinux(7) man page which explains the location of important system configuration files
 
# man archlinux
 
* Slightly expand the '''6. Connect to the internet''' section to include the most basic examples of setting up a private network using a dynamic and static IP address. (Right now it's only a single paragraph/line.) It's a vital installation step and should actually be moved to the top as one of the first actions during system setup. This fact should be emphasized.
 
  
Obtain dynamic IP
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::I guess the proper solution would be to incorporate links in the article text where possible. "See X" gets repetitive fast, anyway. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:44, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
# dhcpcd
 
  
Set static IP
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:I'm actually here because when viewing the text format I was trying to figure out what the heck packages.both was I thought it might have been a meta package or something. -- [[User:Y2kbugger|Y2kbugger]] ([[User talk:Y2kbugger|talk]]) 17:36, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
# ip link set dev eth0 up
 
# ip addr add 192.168.1.2/24 dev eth0
 
# ip route add default via 192.168.1.1
 
# echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" >> /etc/resolv.conf
 
  
--[[User:MajorTom|MajorTom]]
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::Ideally packages.both would be a file path, but I'm not sure it's present in the live environment. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 18:13, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
  
:* I can agree to all your suggestions, I wonder why no one is modifying the wiki. Internet connection setup is the most important part and should be covered more extensively. In addition to your changes, mention the manpages and configuration templates for netcfg and pppoe-setup/connect. The boot medium must at least contain easy accesible information in order to read all pages referenced in the installation guide. There should also be mentioned that elinks is installed and can be used to access the wiki.  --[[User:Progandy|Progandy]] ([[User talk:Progandy|talk]]) 21:50, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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== pacman-key --populate ==
  
:* The {{ic|dhcpcd}} network daemon is started automatically: [https://www.archlinux.org/news/install-media-20120804-available/], [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide#Network_setup], so there's no reason to start it manually. --[[User:DSpider|DSpider]] ([[User talk:DSpider|talk]]) 08:17, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
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:''[Moved from [[Talk:Beginners' guide]]. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 20:38, 12 July 2016 (UTC)]''
  
== <s> Keymaps </s> ==
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Reference: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Beginners%27_guide&diff=next&oldid=411670
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I tried to install Archlinux on my new computer and got stuck. Only using the {{ic|pacman-key --populate archlinux}} helped me. I think I am not the only one having this problem. But why did you undo it? {{Unsigned|20:38, 12 December 2015‎|Sandstorm}}
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:This command is already run for the new system (by installation of archlinux-keyring), so running it by hand shouldn't be required for most users. Of course, things can go wrong (how old was the ISO you used to install the system?), but that belongs in Troubleshooting sections of the respective articles, which are linked at the beginning of the guide. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 19:52, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
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::I had downloaded the ISO just yesterday, minutes before the install. Only that command installed the keys. Probably I should open a bug if you can confirm the issue?
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:::Did you have to run pacman-key after, or before pacstrap? And do you recall what the error messages said exactly? (See also {{Bug|31286}}) -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 20:15, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
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::::I had to run after pacstrap. As far as I remember, pacstrap stopped after trying to download the keys. The error message was something like shown in this forum post: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=165367
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:::::Well then, as you suggested, I'd open a bug report. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 20:34, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Done. Could you check if the description is good. I could not find an appropriate category, so I though Packages:Core might be the closest one. https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/47351 --[[User:Sandstorm|Sandstorm]] ([[User talk:Sandstorm|talk]]) 20:48, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::Thanks, the description looks OK. If the category e.a is not right, [[Special:Contributions/Scimmia|User:Scimmia]] should fix it. :P -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 13:59, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
  
As this guide mentions the loading of keymaps using loadkeys there should be at least a very small example about /etc/vconsole.conf
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::::::::Hmm, looks like it was closed with "Works for me" ... not very enlightening. All I can suggest is to further improve on [[Pacman/Package signing]] and related articles, and recheck if they're accessible enough from the Beginners' guide. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 21:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
  
Either not talk about keymaps or tell how to make it correct. When this is used as a checklist, the setup of the keymap should not be missing.
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== <s>timesyncd: add manual date</s> ==
: [[KEYMAP]] page link added. Close. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 04:03, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 
  
:: The section on keymaps and fonts links only to the KEYMAP page. An additional link regarding setting default console font should be added to:
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:''[Moved from [[Talk:Beginners' guide]]. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 20:44, 12 July 2016 (UTC)]''
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fonts#Console_fonts
 
: Link updated. Thanks for suggestion. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 13:47, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 
  
== add a step: setting the clock ==
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While the right time isn't as important in the live system as in the installed one, it may still be unexpected to users [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Beginners%27_guide&diff=432465&oldid=431268]. We could instead instruct to specify a date explicitly to timedatectl. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 11:25, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
  
Lots of things care about the clock being more-or-less correct, e.g. pacman-key will not work at all if the clock is too far out. Lots of brand new computers come with the clock set to something in the distant past, which causes weird problems during the install. [[User:Thetrivialstuff|Thetrivialstuff]] ([[User talk:Thetrivialstuff|talk]]) 23:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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:Is the issue setting the time manually or just setting the time zone? The change you linked to just had setting the time zone. -- [[User:Rdeckard|Rdeckard]] ([[User_talk:Rdeckard|talk]]) 01:29, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
  
I agree, the instructions in "Installation Guide" leaves you without a /etc/adjtime file.
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::Well, with setting it manually you'd kill two birds with one stone. The time would be what users expect, but without adding an extra step of little consequence. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 18:35, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
The following should be added (taken from beginners guide, but shortened):
 
Set the hardware clock and generate a {{ic|/etc/adjtime}} file with {{ic|# hwclock --systohc --utc}} or {{ic|# hwclock --systohc --localtime}}
 
[[User:Bwid|Bwid]] ([[User talk:Bwid|talk]]) 08:03, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 
:There's no need for an adjtime file, but it does make sense to have people use {{ic|timedatectl}} from the live media to set the clock correctly. -- [[User:Thestinger|thestinger]] ([[User talk:Thestinger|talk]]) 03:30, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 
  
== pacman-key --init / populate? ==
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== Switch to systemd-networkd ==
  
Isn't this a required step? pacstrap does not seem to do it on its own. [[User:Thetrivialstuff|Thetrivialstuff]] ([[User talk:Thetrivialstuff|talk]]) 23:15, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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Next ISOs may use systemd-networkd instead of dhcpcd, see [https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-releng/2016-July/003739.html] -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 10:26, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
:Edit: Ah; I think this was related to the "set the clock" step -- I see that there is a pacman keyring init in the boot sequence of the latest media, but it (silently?) fails if the local clock is wrong.
 
::https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-releng/2012-July/002708.html --[[User:Bluewind|Bluewind]] ([[User talk:Bluewind|talk]]) 09:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 
  
== Link to UEFI Bootloaders page ==
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== <s>The Great Merge</s> ==
  
Instead of telling the user to install GRUB(2) alone in case of UEFI, direct the reader to the [[UEFI_Bootloaders]] page which provides info about all the UEFI bootloaders capable of booting linux kernel. Also how can I edit the guide, there is no "edit" tab shown on top of the page. Is this page restricted to few authors only? -- [[User:The.ridikulus.rat|Keshav P R]] ([[User talk:The.ridikulus.rat|talk]]) 15:31, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
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:''[Moved from [[Talk:Beginners' guide]]. [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 11:11, 24 August 2016 (UTC)]''
  
==Styling==
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[[#Plan]] reaches closure, and the [[Beginners' guide]] is now comparable in size to the [[Installation guide]]. "Cleanup day" [https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=214373] would be a good time to start the merge of both guides, and replace the Beginners' guide, together with translations on this domain, to redirections to the [[Installation guide]].
  
* The "'''Install a bootloader'''" section should be a bullet point above "Configure the bootloader: refer back to the appropriate ...", no need to have them separate. Using pacstrap to install the bootloader just seems silly (especially since they were also merged in the Beginner's Guide). Also, commands after {{ic|arch-chroot}} would look better if they were indented with "<nowiki>: {{bc|# <command>}}</nowiki>", kinda like how {{ic|# pacman-key -v <iso-file>.sig}} is at the beginning of the article. Would look much cleaner. --[[User:DSpider|DSpider]] ([[User talk:DSpider|talk]]) 16:33, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
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It would be preferable if before then, a TU or dev also brings this up on arch-dev-public for input from the developers, also regarding [[#Page protection]]. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:25, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
  
:I agree that Install a Bootloader should be above Configure the Bootloader. As for the thing with pacstrap installing the bootloader, that must have already been changed, since I didn't find that anywhere. --[[User:Ewtoombs|Ewtoombs]] ([[User talk:Ewtoombs|talk]]) 17:27, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
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:I agree with extending the redirection to the translations, with the exception of 4 which are actively maintained or have been retranslated recently, so I've flagged them to see if their maintainers want to deal with the merge on their own: [[Beginners' guide (العربية)]], [[Beginners' guide (Español)]], [[Beginners' guide (Русский)]] and [[Beginners' guide (简体中文)]]. [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 10:58, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
  
==Proposed changes to Beginners' Guide and link to Post-Installation==
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:: I will take care of [[Beginners' guide (简体中文)]]. --[[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 06:21, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Some major changes are under discussion in [[Talk:Beginners'_Guide#Guide_restructuring]]: some of them would require adjustments to this very guide, see for example [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk%3ABeginners%27_Guide&diff=224578&oldid=224567 this post].
 
  
Please reply in the linked discussion, '''not''' here.
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::: Note that typically content is rewritten in the [[Installation guide]], rather than taken literally from the [[Beginners' guide]] (see [[Talk:Installation_guide#BG_merge]]), so my suggestion is to focus translation efforts on the Installation guide, rather than the Beginners' guide. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 17:44, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
  
-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 12:15, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
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::: I've redirected all translations apart from the above. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 18:50, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
  
:I've added the steps in [[Beginners' Guide/Post-Installation]] to this guide, which now directly sends users to [[Beginners' Guide/Extra]].
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::::There are still some pages left: [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&prefix=Beginners%27+Guide&namespace=0&hideredirects=1] -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 07:13, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
:If however [[Talk:Beginners' Guide#Guide restructuring]] will be implemented as planned, the [[Beginners' Guide]] will have a slightly different installation procedure than this guide, unless this one is updated too.
 
:-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 14:08, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 
  
::Shouldn't the information be added ''before'' "Unmount leftovers and reboot" ? By the way, the title should mention rebooting, because most likely a kernel update was involved. --[[User:DSpider|DSpider]] ([[User talk:DSpider|talk]]) 14:41, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
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:::::I've just handled those, but there's more to do at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&prefix=begin&namespace=10]. [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 10:38, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
  
:::The link to Post-Installation was the last step of the guide, so that's the line I've replaced with the instructions from Post-Installation.
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::::::What's the point of redirecting templates to regular pages? [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Template:Beginners%27_Guide_navigation_(Dansk)&curid=10983&diff=441462&oldid=387477] [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 07:59, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
:::About rebooting in case of a kernel upgrade, I don't think it's necessary to state that since this guide is aimed at experienced users.
 
:::In any case, any reordering or modification of the various steps should better be approved by a Developer, and probably the forum or the mailing lists are better places than this talk page to involve them in such discussions.
 
:::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 14:59, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 
  
::::Yeah, but at this point, you were instructed to reboot. In order to edit {{ic|pacman.conf}}, you need to mount the root partition. And to update your system, you need to chroot into it. It would be better if "Unmount leftovers" was renamed "Unmount leftovers and reboot", and added at the end (before the suggestion to read the instructions from '''Extra'''). --[[User:DSpider|DSpider]] ([[User talk:DSpider|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
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:::::::We were discussing that in [[ArchWiki_talk:Administrators#How_to_archive_templates]], we had a half-baked solution, maybe we should just put it to the vote. [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 14:28, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
  
:::::You are still instructed to reboot, aren't you? The "Unmount leftovers" section currently tells you to ''"reboot and then login into the new system with the root account"''. In the "new system", the correct partition is already mounted at /.
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::::::::Oops, 154 days and still no reply from me, sorry about that... Thanks for your patience and strong nerves for the future, because unfortunately it's far from being the worst case of my this-year-maybe discussions :P
:::::Whether or not configuring pacman, updating the system and adding a user would be better done in the chroot before rebooting, it's something that should be discussed with a Developer. I too think that it would make more sense, requiring one less reboot in case of a kernel upgrade.
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::::::::In this case, I'd say that the templates can be simply deleted: it's fairly trivial transclusion of one &lt;div> and a couple of links, without any MediaWiki hacks, which can be recreated any time if needed. There is also pretty low probability that beginners' guides will be allowed in the near (less than 10 years) future in general, let alone split across multiple pages requiring navigational template. And if it's needed sometime in the next century, they will most likely have something better than MediaWiki's obscure template syntax.
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::::::::-- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 15:13, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Renaming "Unmount leftovers" to "Unmount leftovers and reboot" is safe anyway, so I've done that. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 15:37, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::@DSpider: you're quite active on the forum, why don't you propose your idea there? I think it would be interesting to discuss it. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 14:11, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::Ok, after reading [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AInstallation_Guide&diff=226203&oldid=225070 this] I realize that maybe I haven't been clear enough, so I'll try to explain everything more thoroughly.
 
:::::#The current procedure makes you [[Installation_Guide#Configure_the_system|configure the system]] in the '''chroot''' environment from the '''live''' system.
 
:::::#Then, still in the '''live''' system, it [[Installation_Guide#Unmount and reboot|asks]] you to '''exit''' the chroot, unmount the partitions for the '''new''' system, '''reboot''' and login into the '''new''' system. Now, I refuse to write more explicitly in the guide that you should boot into the '''new''' system, and not again in the '''live''' system, in order to login into the new system.
 
:::::#Since you are now into the '''new''' system ('''not''' the live system), the root partition is mounted at {{ic|/}}, not at {{ic|/mnt/}}, so you should be able to configure pacman, update the system and add a user wihtout chrooting. Now, if you've tested the procedure and really noticed that for some obscure-to-me reason you still need to chroot to /mnt in order to do those operations, please ask for clarifications in the forum because I wouldn't be able to answer any more.
 
:::::Last thing, and I think this is the 3rd or 4th time I write it, I '''agree''' with you that configuring pacman etc. could easily be done in the chroot environment at step 1, but you should '''propose''' that change '''in the forum''' first, since it would be a change in the official installation procedure and I won't take responsibility for that.
 
:::::I think this is the best I can do here, the next step to explain all this could be making a movie or a five-act play, but I hope it's not necessary :)
 
:::::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 05:56, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 
  
== "Configure the network" is missing ==
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:::::::::These redirected templates are a very marginal problem IMO, I don't mind if they stay as redirects or are deleted, but only because the fact that [[ArchWiki_talk:Administrators#How_to_archive_templates]] is still open justifies deciding case by case for the moment. Note that as redirects they don't pollute [[Special:UnusedTemplates]]. I wouldn't like to promote deletion as the official default template archiving method though, but I agree with delaying the resolution of that discussion, there are other priorities right now. — [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 13:57, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
  
Basically, you establish an internet connection, but you also need to configure the network, so that you can connect after rebooting. The Beginners' Guide [[Beginners'_Guide#Configure_the_network|mentions]] it: ''You need to configure the network again, but this time for your newly installed environment. The procedure and prerequisites are very similar to the one described above, except we are going to make it persistent and automatically run at boot.'' And this information seems to be missing from the installation guide. --[[User:DSpider|DSpider]] ([[User talk:DSpider|talk]]) 13:51, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
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::::::::::So I've taken the chance and deleted the BG navigation templates. Let's wait for [[ArchWiki_talk:Administrators#How_to_archive_templates]] with the general decision, hopefully this year... -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 18:06, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  
:I don't think that any Developer is watching this talk page, you'd better report this in the forum or mailing list. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 10:43, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
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::[[Beginners' guide (Русский)]] is now merged ^_^ -- [[User:Kycok|Kycok]] ([[User talk:Kycok|talk]]) 13:38, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
  
::I'm not sure if this should be a part of the installation guide. -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] ([[User talk:Karol|talk]]) 15:20, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
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=== <s>Translations</s> ===
  
:::Of course it should. Because after rebooting (which you are instructed to), you're left with a borked machine. You need to boot the installation media again, establish an internet connection, mount the partitions and chroot into your system, and only THEN install the required packages. There should at least be a line that mentions [[netcfg]]. Because I read that it can handle both wired and wireless connections, and it's included in {{Grp|base}} now. --[[User:DSpider|DSpider]] ([[User talk:DSpider|talk]]) 07:04, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
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The translations of the [[Main page]] should be updated along with the English page. Also the [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Special:WhatLinksHere/Beginners%27_guide_(%E6%AD%A3%E9%AB%94%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87) backlinks] of the BG translations should be cleaned as much as possible, as that might be somewhat [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Beginners%27_guide_(%E6%AD%A3%E9%AB%94%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87)&diff=443707&oldid=443682 confusing] for future translators. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 11:45, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
::::I'm sorry if I'm missing something, but there is [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_Guide#Connect_to_the_internet a line about netcfg already] and was there a month ago when this discussion was started. If you want to add a note that after rebooting the user has to enable dhcpcd service etc. (so he should have all the needed packages installed beforehand) that's fine with me. -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] ([[User talk:Karol|talk]]) 10:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 
  
== Install a bootloader ==
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:Oh jolly... can we automate this with a bot somehow? -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 18:12, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  
Make it more visible that it is a choise between Grub/Syslinux.
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::I haven't been doing any natural language processing yet, but if you feel like teaching my bot Chinese, please help yourself :)
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::Just kidding, I could probably make some semi-automatic assistant to at least quickly find and mark the links and open vimdiff for manual editing.
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::-- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 18:23, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
  
== <s> 2 amendments to do </s> ==
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:::I've fixed most of the backlinks to the english article, as well as the translated [[Main page]] articles. For the backlinks to translations I could definitely use the help of an assistant. :P -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 00:35, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
  
In '''Configure the system''':
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== <s>Initramfs</s> ==
  
There is only one link on
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Initramfs, maybe add some examples like "eg encrypting/btrfs hook" so that beginners know what it is for? -- [https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/4z7z0i/the_beginners_guide_has_been_removed_from_the_wiki/d6ui70e /u/youguess]
    ''Add console keymap and font preferences in /etc/vconsole.conf''
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: I'm not sure how to best word this. [[Installation_guide#Partition_the_disks]] mentions:
This link should apply only to "console keymap".<br>
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:: If wanting to create any stacked block devices for LVM, disk encryption or RAID, do it now.
"font preferences" should link to [[Fonts#Console_fonts]]
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: and each of those articles mention you need to edit {{ic|mkinitcpio.conf}} already. <s>"When" may be an unfortunate wording, however - since this step is indeed optional. See also [[#Initramfs]].</s> -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 18:34, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
: Link updated. Thanks. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 13:46, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 
  
There is also:
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== Wireless Configuration ==
    ''Uncomment the selected locale in /etc/locale.gen and generate it with locale-gen.''
 
This should be removed as it has been already done during this step:
 
    ''Set locale preferences in /etc/locale.conf.''
 
  
Thanks and regards,
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The advice for wireless network setup to refer to the wireless networking page in the Wiki could present a new user with a significant hurdle to overcome. The ARCH ISO contains wifi-menu, which should be sufficient for most purposes to establish a wireless network conneciton. I propose that informaton be added to the networking section at the start of the page stating:
[[User:Boism|Boism]] ([[User talk:Boism|talk]]) 21:10, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 
: They are not the same. First generate locale than set default locale. See [[Locale]] for more info. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 13:46, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 
  
== Mount the partitions ==
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For wireless connections, iw(8), wpa_supplicant(8) and netctl are available. See Wireless network configuration. The ARCH ISO makes wifi-menu available. The wifi-menu programme should be sufficiently powerful for most users to establish a connection to a known WiFi network. {{Unsigned|11:49, 18 October 2016‎|Deggy}}
  
Please also mention that if using a swap partition the user should execute swapon at the "Mount to partitions" step. It is important to do this so that the swap partition is included when generating the fstab later on in the guide.--[[User:Takaitra|Takaitra]] ([[User talk:Takaitra|talk]]) 17:13, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
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:My eventual plan is to propose a man page for wifi_menu, then we can just link to that one instead of netctl. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 10:32, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
  
== add netctl to the mentioned ways of configuring network ==
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::That would be great, I'd try to help; welcome to drop me a note about it. In the meantime I'd be +1 to Deggy's suggestion. Simplest way for new Archers, most of them will be used to a distro automatically enabling a network tool. Likewise, a simple sentence above it ala "see [[dhcpcd#Running]] for a quick start and [[Network configuration]] for free choice." would make it simpler for those wired users. --[[User:Indigo|Indigo]] ([[User talk:Indigo|talk]]) 10:33, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
  
Since netctl is on it's way to replace netcfg we should at least mention its existance in the appropriate section.
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:::Thanks. Though I disagree on another link to [[dhcpcd]] in [[Installation_guide#Network_configuration]]; attentive users will have noticed that it is the method used in the installation environment, and [[Installation_guide#Configure_the_system]] specifically avoids recommending particular software choices for the new system (due to endless bickering in our user base on what's "best" or "recommended").
:Not until it's out of [testing]. -- [[User:Thestinger|thestinger]] ([[User talk:Thestinger|talk]]) 03:28, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
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:::Regarding wifi-menu, its usage is poorly covered even in the [[netctl]] article ([[Netctl#Wireless_.28WPA-PSK.29]] doesn't even mention how to select an interface) so that, or said man page, should be fixed first in my view. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:38, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
::It's out of testing and in core/base. [[User:Scimmia|Scimmia]] ([[User talk:Scimmia|talk]]) 23:08, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 
  
== Add link to usb installation media ==
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::::[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Netctl&type=revision&diff=471232&oldid=471030] Well, in this case "The [[dhcpcd]] daemon is [https://git.archlinux.org/archiso.git/tree/configs/releng/airootfs/etc/udev/rules.d/81-dhcpcd.rules enabled] on boot for '''wired''' devices,.." should be changed to "On the installation image the [[dhcpcd]] daemon is [[enable]]d on boot for '''wired''' devices,...", because the crosslink helps a new user more than the udev rule and it currently suggests a non-existent default. Likewise, [[Installation guide#Network configuration]] should clarify it again with "The newly installed environment has no network connection activated per default. See [[Network configuration]] to configure one." --[[User:Indigo|Indigo]] ([[User talk:Indigo|talk]]) 00:00, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
  
Can you add a link to [[USB Installation Media|written to a USB]]   on:
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:::::Sounds reasonable and would also strike off one point in [[#Notes]]. :) I think the link to the udev rule is still useful though, perhaps suitable for the ''wired'' word. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 02:13, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
  
''The image can be burned to a CD, mounted as an ISO file, or directly written to a USB stick using a utility like dd. It is intended for new installations only; an existing Arch Linux system can always be updated with pacman -Syu.''
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::::::[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Installation_guide&type=revision&diff=471297&oldid=469435] @Deggy: Your suggestion not fully picked up yet, but for now ''wifi-menu'' is directly mentioned behind the [[Netctl#Wireless_.28WPA-PSK.29|netctl]] link. --[[User:Indigo|Indigo]] ([[User talk:Indigo|talk]]) 18:01, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
  
please?
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== <s>dhclient</s> ==
 
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High! I suggest adding recomendation to install dhclient for dhcp support. I installed system using this guide, then created ethernet netctl profile and it was not starting due to <tt>failed to start dhclient</tt>[[User:Yanpas|Yanpas]] ([[User talk:Yanpas|talk]]) 10:15, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
== <s> rewrite "stacked block devices" sentence </s> ==
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:dhclient was never part of the installation guide. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 12:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 
 
The sentence
 
:Remember to create any stacked block devices like [[LVM]], [[dm-crypt with LUKS|LUKS]], or [[RAID]].
 
makes it sound like it's necessary to create such block devices. I think this could be formulated better as:
 
:If you want to create any stacked block devices like [[LVM]], [[dm-crypt with LUKS|LUKS]], or [[RAID]], do it now.
 
 
 
(No comment on the philosophy of a wiki that doesn't allow editing.) <nowiki>~~</nowiki> [[User:RavuAlHemio|RavuAlHemio]] ([[User talk:Ravu al Hemio|talk]]) 14:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 
:I think the whole Installation section has to be thrown out and replaced with a heavily edited version from the Beginners' Guide - it's quite bad right now. By the way it's just this page and a few others that are protected. This is regarded as the official documentation for the installation procedure. It should really be regularly updated from the community-maintained Beginners' Guide but I haven't had the time for it lately. [[User:Thestinger|thestinger]] ([[User talk:Thestinger|talk]]) 03:06, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 
:: Updated for now. Thanks for the suggestion. Close. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 13:23, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== <s> pacstrap links obsolete repo </s> ==
 
 
 
The pacstrap word links to the obsolete github repo https://github.com/falconindy/arch-install-scripts
 
 
 
The current repos seems to be this one: https://projects.archlinux.org/arch-install-scripts.git/ and the link to pacstrap is https://projects.archlinux.org/arch-install-scripts.git/tree/pacstrap.in
 
 
 
[[User:Kolewu|Kolewu]] ([[User talk:Kolewu|talk]]) 23:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 
: Link updated. Thanks for reporting. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 13:15, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 

Latest revision as of 12:56, 18 September 2017

Read this first before adding new suggestions

  • The point of this page is to be a concise checklist of things to be done. Detailed instructions, if they are not specific to the installation process only, belong in wiki articles or upstream documentation describing the respective topics.
  • Should you have more complex changes for this guide in mind, create a copy on your user page, and link it here for review; e.g. User:Example/Installation guide.
  • systemd tools such as hostnamectl, timedatectl and localectl do not work in the installation chroot environment, so please do not propose to use them in the guide unless you can prove that they have been made to work also in that case. See [1], [2], [3] and [4] for some past discussions about this issue.
  • localectl list-keymaps does not work due to bug FS#46725. For the chosen replacement command, see [5].

-- The ArchWiki Administrators 22:17, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

"See foo" vs "See the foo article"

[Moved from Talk:Beginners' guide. -- Alad (talk) 20:29, 12 July 2016 (UTC)]

This revision [6] added a new mention of "See the foo article", rather than the more common "See foo". I'd argue former is the better form, and when the guide is viewed from a .txt (if the BG/IG merge completes), the longer wording makes sense as well. Are there opinions against using the longer form throughout the BG? -- Alad (talk) 00:13, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm neutral, so that doesn't count as an opinion against ^^ That said, the long form can only be used with links to entire articles, but more difficultly with links to specific sections such as "See also Pacman#pacman crashes the official installation media", since in those cases a more natural-sounding long form should be something like "See also the 'pacman crashes the official installation media' section of the Pacman article", I think, which is clearly ugly to see and use, so consistency is a bit hard to reach. — Kynikos (talk) 16:13, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
I guess the proper solution would be to incorporate links in the article text where possible. "See X" gets repetitive fast, anyway. -- Alad (talk) 14:44, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm actually here because when viewing the text format I was trying to figure out what the heck packages.both was I thought it might have been a meta package or something. -- Y2kbugger (talk) 17:36, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Ideally packages.both would be a file path, but I'm not sure it's present in the live environment. -- Alad (talk) 18:13, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

pacman-key --populate

[Moved from Talk:Beginners' guide. -- Alad (talk) 20:38, 12 July 2016 (UTC)]

Reference: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Beginners%27_guide&diff=next&oldid=411670 I tried to install Archlinux on my new computer and got stuck. Only using the pacman-key --populate archlinux helped me. I think I am not the only one having this problem. But why did you undo it? —This unsigned comment is by Sandstorm (talk) 20:38, 12 December 2015‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

This command is already run for the new system (by installation of archlinux-keyring), so running it by hand shouldn't be required for most users. Of course, things can go wrong (how old was the ISO you used to install the system?), but that belongs in Troubleshooting sections of the respective articles, which are linked at the beginning of the guide. -- Alad (talk) 19:52, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
I had downloaded the ISO just yesterday, minutes before the install. Only that command installed the keys. Probably I should open a bug if you can confirm the issue?
Did you have to run pacman-key after, or before pacstrap? And do you recall what the error messages said exactly? (See also FS#31286) -- Alad (talk) 20:15, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
I had to run after pacstrap. As far as I remember, pacstrap stopped after trying to download the keys. The error message was something like shown in this forum post: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=165367
Well then, as you suggested, I'd open a bug report. -- Alad (talk) 20:34, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Done. Could you check if the description is good. I could not find an appropriate category, so I though Packages:Core might be the closest one. https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/47351 --Sandstorm (talk) 20:48, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, the description looks OK. If the category e.a is not right, User:Scimmia should fix it. :P -- Alad (talk) 13:59, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, looks like it was closed with "Works for me" ... not very enlightening. All I can suggest is to further improve on Pacman/Package signing and related articles, and recheck if they're accessible enough from the Beginners' guide. -- Alad (talk) 21:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

timesyncd: add manual date

[Moved from Talk:Beginners' guide. -- Alad (talk) 20:44, 12 July 2016 (UTC)]

While the right time isn't as important in the live system as in the installed one, it may still be unexpected to users [7]. We could instead instruct to specify a date explicitly to timedatectl. -- Alad (talk) 11:25, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Is the issue setting the time manually or just setting the time zone? The change you linked to just had setting the time zone. -- Rdeckard (talk) 01:29, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
Well, with setting it manually you'd kill two birds with one stone. The time would be what users expect, but without adding an extra step of little consequence. -- Alad (talk) 18:35, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Switch to systemd-networkd

Next ISOs may use systemd-networkd instead of dhcpcd, see [8] -- Alad (talk) 10:26, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

The Great Merge

[Moved from Talk:Beginners' guide. — Kynikos (talk) 11:11, 24 August 2016 (UTC)]

#Plan reaches closure, and the Beginners' guide is now comparable in size to the Installation guide. "Cleanup day" [9] would be a good time to start the merge of both guides, and replace the Beginners' guide, together with translations on this domain, to redirections to the Installation guide.

It would be preferable if before then, a TU or dev also brings this up on arch-dev-public for input from the developers, also regarding #Page protection. -- Alad (talk) 14:25, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

I agree with extending the redirection to the translations, with the exception of 4 which are actively maintained or have been retranslated recently, so I've flagged them to see if their maintainers want to deal with the merge on their own: Beginners' guide (العربية), Beginners' guide (Español), Beginners' guide (Русский) and Beginners' guide (简体中文). — Kynikos (talk) 10:58, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
I will take care of Beginners' guide (简体中文). --Fengchao (talk) 06:21, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Note that typically content is rewritten in the Installation guide, rather than taken literally from the Beginners' guide (see Talk:Installation_guide#BG_merge), so my suggestion is to focus translation efforts on the Installation guide, rather than the Beginners' guide. -- Alad (talk) 17:44, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
I've redirected all translations apart from the above. -- Alad (talk) 18:50, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
There are still some pages left: [10] -- Lahwaacz (talk) 07:13, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
I've just handled those, but there's more to do at [11]. — Kynikos (talk) 10:38, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
What's the point of redirecting templates to regular pages? [12] Lahwaacz (talk) 07:59, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
We were discussing that in ArchWiki_talk:Administrators#How_to_archive_templates, we had a half-baked solution, maybe we should just put it to the vote. — Kynikos (talk) 14:28, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Oops, 154 days and still no reply from me, sorry about that... Thanks for your patience and strong nerves for the future, because unfortunately it's far from being the worst case of my this-year-maybe discussions :P
In this case, I'd say that the templates can be simply deleted: it's fairly trivial transclusion of one <div> and a couple of links, without any MediaWiki hacks, which can be recreated any time if needed. There is also pretty low probability that beginners' guides will be allowed in the near (less than 10 years) future in general, let alone split across multiple pages requiring navigational template. And if it's needed sometime in the next century, they will most likely have something better than MediaWiki's obscure template syntax.
-- Lahwaacz (talk) 15:13, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
These redirected templates are a very marginal problem IMO, I don't mind if they stay as redirects or are deleted, but only because the fact that ArchWiki_talk:Administrators#How_to_archive_templates is still open justifies deciding case by case for the moment. Note that as redirects they don't pollute Special:UnusedTemplates. I wouldn't like to promote deletion as the official default template archiving method though, but I agree with delaying the resolution of that discussion, there are other priorities right now. — Kynikos (talk) 13:57, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
So I've taken the chance and deleted the BG navigation templates. Let's wait for ArchWiki_talk:Administrators#How_to_archive_templates with the general decision, hopefully this year... -- Lahwaacz (talk) 18:06, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Beginners' guide (Русский) is now merged ^_^ -- Kycok (talk) 13:38, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Translations

The translations of the Main page should be updated along with the English page. Also the backlinks of the BG translations should be cleaned as much as possible, as that might be somewhat confusing for future translators. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 11:45, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Oh jolly... can we automate this with a bot somehow? -- Alad (talk) 18:12, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
I haven't been doing any natural language processing yet, but if you feel like teaching my bot Chinese, please help yourself :)
Just kidding, I could probably make some semi-automatic assistant to at least quickly find and mark the links and open vimdiff for manual editing.
-- Lahwaacz (talk) 18:23, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
I've fixed most of the backlinks to the english article, as well as the translated Main page articles. For the backlinks to translations I could definitely use the help of an assistant. :P -- Alad (talk) 00:35, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Initramfs

Initramfs, maybe add some examples like "eg encrypting/btrfs hook" so that beginners know what it is for? -- /u/youguess

I'm not sure how to best word this. Installation_guide#Partition_the_disks mentions:
If wanting to create any stacked block devices for LVM, disk encryption or RAID, do it now.
and each of those articles mention you need to edit mkinitcpio.conf already. "When" may be an unfortunate wording, however - since this step is indeed optional. See also #Initramfs. -- Alad (talk) 18:34, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Wireless Configuration

The advice for wireless network setup to refer to the wireless networking page in the Wiki could present a new user with a significant hurdle to overcome. The ARCH ISO contains wifi-menu, which should be sufficient for most purposes to establish a wireless network conneciton. I propose that informaton be added to the networking section at the start of the page stating:

For wireless connections, iw(8), wpa_supplicant(8) and netctl are available. See Wireless network configuration. The ARCH ISO makes wifi-menu available. The wifi-menu programme should be sufficiently powerful for most users to establish a connection to a known WiFi network. —This unsigned comment is by Deggy (talk) 11:49, 18 October 2016‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

My eventual plan is to propose a man page for wifi_menu, then we can just link to that one instead of netctl. -- Alad (talk) 10:32, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
That would be great, I'd try to help; welcome to drop me a note about it. In the meantime I'd be +1 to Deggy's suggestion. Simplest way for new Archers, most of them will be used to a distro automatically enabling a network tool. Likewise, a simple sentence above it ala "see dhcpcd#Running for a quick start and Network configuration for free choice." would make it simpler for those wired users. --Indigo (talk) 10:33, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Though I disagree on another link to dhcpcd in Installation_guide#Network_configuration; attentive users will have noticed that it is the method used in the installation environment, and Installation_guide#Configure_the_system specifically avoids recommending particular software choices for the new system (due to endless bickering in our user base on what's "best" or "recommended").
Regarding wifi-menu, its usage is poorly covered even in the netctl article (Netctl#Wireless_.28WPA-PSK.29 doesn't even mention how to select an interface) so that, or said man page, should be fixed first in my view. -- Alad (talk) 22:38, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
[13] Well, in this case "The dhcpcd daemon is enabled on boot for wired devices,.." should be changed to "On the installation image the dhcpcd daemon is enabled on boot for wired devices,...", because the crosslink helps a new user more than the udev rule and it currently suggests a non-existent default. Likewise, Installation guide#Network configuration should clarify it again with "The newly installed environment has no network connection activated per default. See Network configuration to configure one." --Indigo (talk) 00:00, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable and would also strike off one point in #Notes. :) I think the link to the udev rule is still useful though, perhaps suitable for the wired word. -- Alad (talk) 02:13, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
[14] @Deggy: Your suggestion not fully picked up yet, but for now wifi-menu is directly mentioned behind the netctl link. --Indigo (talk) 18:01, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

dhclient

High! I suggest adding recomendation to install dhclient for dhcp support. I installed system using this guide, then created ethernet netctl profile and it was not starting due to failed to start dhclientYanpas (talk) 10:15, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

dhclient was never part of the installation guide. -- Alad (talk) 12:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)