Talk:Installation guide

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Read this first before adding new suggestions

  • The point of this page is to not become another Beginners' guide. It is meant to be a concise checklist of things to be done. So, detailed installation instructions should go to Beginners' guide.
  • If there is something to discuss which should also affect the Beginners' guide, then do it on Talk:Beginners' guide. An advanced user will find this page less bloated and easier to read, so let's KISS.
  • systemd tools such as hostnamectl, timedatectl and localectl do not work in the installation chroot environment, so please do not propose to use them in the guide unless you can prove that they have been made to work also in that case. See [1], [2], [3] and [4] for some past discussions about this issue.

Let's mention filesystem tools in pacstrap step

I propose changing the sentence to Other packages or groups can be installed by appending their names to the above command (space separated), possibly including the boot loader or filesystem tools. As the purpose of the site is that it is a checklist, it should mention the most common pacstrap packages such as filesystem tools (for example btrfs-progs are needed separately).

—This unsigned comment is by Drws (talk) 18:43, 8 April 2016‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

The base group already includes e2fsprogs, jfsutils, reiserfsprogs, sysfsutils and xfsprogs, but no boot loader (except systemd-boot). Adding a hint for filesystem tools is of much less value than boot loaders, because the system will boot even without the file system tools, which would otherwise have to be loaded from the file system they should make accessible. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 20:58, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
I agree. If you install to (e.g.) btrfs, generating the initramfs later on is bound to fail without required tools installed. Yet, "possibly the boot loader" is a little fuzzy itself: If you (a) want to install a boot loader before the chroot (e.g. its install target /mnt/boot), you would need to install it to the booted ramdisk first. If you (b) install it regularly, inside the chroot, the boot loader instructions will tell what you need and the general hint should be better moved to Installation guide#Install a boot loader itself.
I suggest we change the sentence like so:
"Other packages or groups (e.g. any your system may require on top for the first boot) can be installed directly, by appending the names to the above command (space separated), or individually during the next step."
And make the boot loader hint more explicit, by changing Installation guide#Install a boot loader to:
"Install a boot loader package and the boot loader to the respective bootable partition. See Boot loaders for the available choices and configuration."
Both changes keeping in mind, the main target group for this guide should be being a checklist for advanced users without previous exposure to the distro/tools. --Indigo (talk) 11:09, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

EFI System Partition link must be changed

The "EFI System Partition" link is currently broken. It should be updated to link to I don't appear to have the permissions to change it, so please someone with the right permissions...