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Instructions on checking the user name

The issue with Special:ListUsers is that it displays results even when the name in question is not available. For example, foobarthisnamedoesnotexist still lists all user names starting with foo. -- Alad (talk) 21:36, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

You can go to User:Foobarthisnamedoesnotexist instead, but no idea how to describe the 4 possible cases (account does not exist, account exists but the page doesn't, the page exists but account doesn't, both things exist). -- Lahwaacz (talk) 21:49, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
There's also Special:PrefixIndex, e.g. foobarthisnamedoesnotexist, but the downside is that it also shows subpages. — Kynikos (talk) 09:39, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Well, it's a little like letting new users play dice to find a free name first, but still useful to work around the issue, e.g.
"In order to create an account, check if your desired user name or a suitable alternative is available."
Actually, what should be the primary place to inform about how to register? The main page? Then, we should crosslink it from ArchWiki:Contributing#Improving and maybe even add a redirect for "account registration". --Indigo (talk) 12:14, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
The PrefixIndex shows existing user pages, not user accounts. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 12:22, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Ok, yes, it's no help then. --Indigo (talk) 12:38, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Making the Accessibility article more accessible

As it stands, Accessibility is an orphan article while still an important topic to part of our user base. A link used to be hidden in List of applications/Other, which is definitely an unexpected place to look (not an "application" and especially not an "other" application); see Talk:List_of_applications#Other. Some places where it might fit:

  1. The main page
  2. Category:Getting and installing Arch
  3. General recommendations

3. assumes you already have a running installation of Arch so is "too late" in this case, unless you somehow stumbled on TalkingArch or similar project. That leaves 1. or 2. - I don't have a clear preference there. I suppose with 2. there's no resulting gap but that should be a minor concern in this case... -- Alad (talk) 21:31, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

The current content of Accessibility most matches in General recommendations#Input devices for now. In absence of a dedicated install help article, we could (a) use Category:Getting and installing Arch#See also to link to Category:Accessibility and (b) work on Category:Accessibility's description to guide to what we have. Once it's enough for a dedicated install article (ideas?), creating that is the least problem. --Indigo (talk) 09:04, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
Why is General recommendations "too late"? If somebody needs special a11y features from the beginning of the installation, then they can't use the official iso in any case, so we should rather point them to TalkingArch directly from somewhere at the start of Installation guide or Category:Getting and installing Arch at the latest IMO. To link to Accessibility, another option could be to rename General recommendations#Input devices to General recommendations#Input and accessibility, and add a subsection there. I also like Indigo's Category:Getting and installing Arch#See also idea, but still I think that GR is the natural place for a link to the article. — Kynikos (talk) 11:01, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Reorganization

[Originally posted in ArchWiki talk:Contributing#Reorganization. -- Kynikos (talk) 07:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC)]

I belive this page should be in Category:Help along with other help pages and renamed appropriately.

Furthermore it should act as a go-to guideline for different contributions on the wiki and therefore be placed under Help section on the Main page, not the Community, after which we can mention Help:Editing, depending if we want someone to skip the first one (probably not).

Also may be good to loosen editing rights of this article to include maintainers. Not like it was locked against us vandalizing it, right? ;)

This is just my opinion anyway. What do you think? -- Svito (talk) 22:18, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

See draft below for general idea of Main page sections in question with mentioned changes -- Svito (talk) 22:38, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
I think that "Help:Contributing" would not be about helping the users in their contributions, but about gathering help for the project. That's in contrary to the Main page#Help section and the current pages in Category:Help. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 23:18, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
I agree with above. So now that renaming part is out of the question, what about category change and Main page? I would also rename "Help" section there to "Wiki help" to futher remove ambiguity. -- Svito (talk) 00:03, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia follows a similar convention: w:Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia, w:Help:Editing and w:Help:Searching, but note that they have w:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (we have Help:Style). The difference between our ArchWiki and Help categories/namespaces isn't always clear: some articles are obviously helping users, e.g. Help:Editing, and others clearly only have a "metadata" functionality, e.g. ArchWiki:Statistics or explain how the wiki is organised, e.g. ArchWiki:Maintenance Team, but articles like this can be seen as having both functions: I think that we could keep moving it between the two namespaces without ever being totally satisfied.
About moving this article to Category:Help, I think we should stick to the current convention, i.e. all ArchWiki and Help articles are in the categories with the same name.
Regarding amending Main page, one thing that I agree with is that the Help:Editing and ArchWiki:Contributing links split like they're now between the columns don't look very good to me. Linking directly to Help:Editing is essential in my view though, since we have many users who just want to make minor changes and only need a quick guide to the wiki syntax, so seeing the link in the home page may be more encouraging.
I've tried to preview Svito's draft below in the Main page, I agree that it makes more structural sense, but to restate the Help:Editing link I've proposed an alternative #Wiki interaction section, perhaps the final solution can be a compromise between the two.
-- Kynikos (talk) 16:32, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
The amount of text in each description should be about the same to have the items in the left and right columns match next to each other on every window size. The new descriptions for Help:Reading and Help:Searching are too long for my taste. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 17:47, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm convinced on dismissing both renaming and category change. I prefer your "Wiki interaction" section name over mine and just added iteraton below with requested shorter sections. -- Svito (talk) 19:55, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Not bad, I've tweaked it a little more, since for example I wouldn't like to have periods inside definitions (let's highlight the latest version with a red border).
I only wish that English had a suitable adjective to put in "The [adjective] starting point for those willing to contribute to the wiki", it should have the meaning of "something that orients, directs, guides": I thought of "orientative" but it doesn't seem to be a recognised word; also "directional" doesn't seem to help... Otherwise let's leave it like that.
-- Kynikos (talk) 08:42, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
LGTM, you can make BOLD change to gather more feedback on it. I don't like keeping a lot of stalled discussions with my name, because I use what links to my talk page for tracking my tasks. >:) -- Svito (talk) 17:04, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Agreed and merged, I'm closing this discussion but anybody who has some feedback to give, please reopen. -- Kynikos (talk) 16:59, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

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