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== Wired network configuration ==
  
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The introduction states:
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:"This page explains how to set up a wired connection to a network. If you need to set up wireless networking see the Wireless network configuration page."
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So, should this page be renamed to '''Wired network configuration'' ? Though in an ideal world, both Wired and Wireless configuration pages would be merged to reduce duplication, and move subtopics such as Troubleshooting to subpages ... -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 14:39, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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:I don't really mind the current state, i.e. [[Wireless network configuration]] building on top of [[Network configuration]] (with a small overlap in [[Wireless_network_configuration#Check_the_driver_status]]). Otherwise there would have to be a "Network configuration" page and "Wired" and "Wireless" subpages, but what content from the current [[Network configuration]] is specific to wired connections? I think only [[Network_configuration#Device_Driver]] (which is easy to generalize) and [[Network_configuration#Troubleshooting]]. On the other hand most of the content in [[Wireless network configuration]] is unique to wireless devices, so IMO it is more natural to have just 2 pages instead of 3. Maybe the introduction should be modified instead? -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 16:30, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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::If we keep two pages, perhaps we should move [[Wireless network configuration]] to [[Network configuration/Wireless]], in addition to rewording the introduction? -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 01:36, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
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:::It might be argued that pages like [[dhcpcd]], [[Internet sharing]], [[Network bridge]] or [[MAC address spoofing]] could be all subpages of [[Network configuration]], just like [[Wireless network configuration]], and that's why they are all in [[:Category:Networking]] already. That's exactly the problem Wikipedia decided to solve by not using subpages for categorization, which I think makes sense here. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 07:28, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
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== Device names ==
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I've updated the section to also introduce users to {{man|5|systemd.link}}. Should we switch the whole section to prefer the systemd mechanism over udev? I'd vote in favor of systemd, since I believe systemd.links will instruct udev and not the other way round. I also find the link files easier to read and understand.
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We could keep the udev rules as a side note, but I'd rather remove them [[User:-1|-1]] ([[User talk:-1|talk]]) 21:38, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
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:At least a note that udev processes the result of the link files should be kept. I'd also keep udev in [[Network_configuration#Reverting_to_traditional_device_names]] because {{ic|99-default.link}} contains more than just the way interface names are set up. Maybe {{ic|99-default.link}} it is not the best idea, it should be possible to override just the {{ic|NamePolicy}}. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 21:51, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
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::Thank you. I'll just quickly read up on how the mechanism works exactly. I shall retain some information on udev as an alternative and remove overlaps. [[User:-1|-1]] ([[User talk:-1|talk]]) 22:05, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
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:::I'm sorry to say, but the rabbit hole got too deep and I sadly don't have the time to research this properly. I reverted the changes to the device name section since I don't want to leave the section in this unpolished state. I'd be happy if anyone wants to pick it up again: have a look at [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Network_configuration&type=revision&diff=470305&oldid=470152 this diff]. [[User:-1|-1]] ([[User talk:-1|talk]]) 13:14, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
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== dhcpcd static profile expansion ==
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In reference to the flag for expansion mentioning that the dhcpcd static profile is gone - it is now linked with the other network managers in the table. Static IP addresses can be assigned with all of the listed network managers, so I don't think we should list dhcpcd here as a special case.  -- [[User:Rdeckard|Rdeckard]] ([[User_talk:Rdeckard|talk]]) 15:39, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
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:Indeed, I missed that the table contains something else from the [[Network manager]] list. On second thought, maybe dhcpcd should be added there as well. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 20:53, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
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==Realtek RTL8111/8168B==
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The chipset version affected are shown as:
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Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06)
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Upon installation, the network would work sporadically and was not the result of misconfigured DNS. The issue is a hardware issue. The 8169 driver will work, but requires setting the kernel parameter iommu=soft on various AMD FX cpus.
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[[User:Drankinatty|David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- Rankin Law Firm, PLLC]] ([[User talk:Drankinatty|talk]]) 22:40, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
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:See [[Network_configuration#Gigabyte_Motherboard_with_Realtek_8111.2F8168.2F8411]]. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 22:50, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
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::Shall we cleanup these 2 sections and merge them into one? Isn't it observed only on AMD systems, I have this exact revision 06 with an intel based MB and I have not noticed issues. -- [[User:Kewl|Kewl]] ([[User talk:Kewl|talk]]) 12:12, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 15:35, 17 March 2018

Wired network configuration

The introduction states:

"This page explains how to set up a wired connection to a network. If you need to set up wireless networking see the Wireless network configuration page."

So, should this page be renamed to 'Wired network configuration ? Though in an ideal world, both Wired and Wireless configuration pages would be merged to reduce duplication, and move subtopics such as Troubleshooting to subpages ... -- Alad (talk) 14:39, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't really mind the current state, i.e. Wireless network configuration building on top of Network configuration (with a small overlap in Wireless_network_configuration#Check_the_driver_status). Otherwise there would have to be a "Network configuration" page and "Wired" and "Wireless" subpages, but what content from the current Network configuration is specific to wired connections? I think only Network_configuration#Device_Driver (which is easy to generalize) and Network_configuration#Troubleshooting. On the other hand most of the content in Wireless network configuration is unique to wireless devices, so IMO it is more natural to have just 2 pages instead of 3. Maybe the introduction should be modified instead? -- Lahwaacz (talk) 16:30, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
If we keep two pages, perhaps we should move Wireless network configuration to Network configuration/Wireless, in addition to rewording the introduction? -- Alad (talk) 01:36, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
It might be argued that pages like dhcpcd, Internet sharing, Network bridge or MAC address spoofing could be all subpages of Network configuration, just like Wireless network configuration, and that's why they are all in Category:Networking already. That's exactly the problem Wikipedia decided to solve by not using subpages for categorization, which I think makes sense here. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 07:28, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Device names

I've updated the section to also introduce users to systemd.link(5). Should we switch the whole section to prefer the systemd mechanism over udev? I'd vote in favor of systemd, since I believe systemd.links will instruct udev and not the other way round. I also find the link files easier to read and understand. We could keep the udev rules as a side note, but I'd rather remove them -1 (talk) 21:38, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

At least a note that udev processes the result of the link files should be kept. I'd also keep udev in Network_configuration#Reverting_to_traditional_device_names because 99-default.link contains more than just the way interface names are set up. Maybe 99-default.link it is not the best idea, it should be possible to override just the NamePolicy. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 21:51, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. I'll just quickly read up on how the mechanism works exactly. I shall retain some information on udev as an alternative and remove overlaps. -1 (talk) 22:05, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry to say, but the rabbit hole got too deep and I sadly don't have the time to research this properly. I reverted the changes to the device name section since I don't want to leave the section in this unpolished state. I'd be happy if anyone wants to pick it up again: have a look at this diff. -1 (talk) 13:14, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

dhcpcd static profile expansion

In reference to the flag for expansion mentioning that the dhcpcd static profile is gone - it is now linked with the other network managers in the table. Static IP addresses can be assigned with all of the listed network managers, so I don't think we should list dhcpcd here as a special case. -- Rdeckard (talk) 15:39, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, I missed that the table contains something else from the Network manager list. On second thought, maybe dhcpcd should be added there as well. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 20:53, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Realtek RTL8111/8168B

The chipset version affected are shown as:

Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06)

Upon installation, the network would work sporadically and was not the result of misconfigured DNS. The issue is a hardware issue. The 8169 driver will work, but requires setting the kernel parameter iommu=soft on various AMD FX cpus.

David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- Rankin Law Firm, PLLC (talk) 22:40, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

See Network_configuration#Gigabyte_Motherboard_with_Realtek_8111.2F8168.2F8411. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 22:50, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Shall we cleanup these 2 sections and merge them into one? Isn't it observed only on AMD systems, I have this exact revision 06 with an intel based MB and I have not noticed issues. -- Kewl (talk) 12:12, 17 March 2018 (UTC)