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==<s> ToC restructuring </s> ==
 
I propose the following (major) changes to the ArchWiki category tree:
 
 
; <s>Removal of [[:Category:Pages sorted by type (English)]]</s>: Currently we distinguish between four types of articles: [[:Category:FAQs|FAQs]], [[:Category:General (English)|General]], [[:Category:Guidelines (English)|Guidelines]], and [[:Category:HOWTOs (English)|HOWTOs]]. I believe that the majority of FAQ articles should be merged into the main [[FAQ]]; the ''general'' category is not helpful in any way; almost all articles under ''guidelines'' deal with package management (see [[:Category:Package development]] instead); and every article is a HOWTO in the sense that it explains how to install/configure/etc. something (further, ArchWiki is moving away from the HOWTO style of writing (step 1, step 2, step 3...))
 
 
; <s>Flattening of the tree</s>: The [[:Category:System administration]] and [[:Category:Desktop user's guide (English)]] categories are unnecessary and confusing. Consider '''Desktop user's guide''' -> '''[[:Category:Utilities (English)]]''' (utilities not used for system administration?) and '''System administration''' -> '''Software''' -> '''[[:Category:Display managers]]''' (display managers not used by desktop users?) Similarly, the [[:Category:Hardware (English)]] and [[:Category:Software]] categories can easily be eliminated. Categories that relate specifically to hardware can be renamed (e.g. '''Hardware''' -> '''[[:Category:Graphics]]''' can become '''Graphics hardware''').
 
 
; i18n standardization: Non-English categories should follow the naming scheme ''Title in English (Language)''. See [[Help:i18n]] for details. [[Template:i18n]] should be included on all category pages. Furthermore, all category titles should be appropriately capitalized (Like a Title).
 
 
Are there any objections? I will prepare an outline of my imagined category tree shortly.
 
 
-- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 20:20, 10 May 2011 (EDT)
 
 
:+1 for all. :-) Unfortunately I don't have much time and will have even less. -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] 20:33, 10 May 2011 (EDT)
 
::I'm in favour of points 1 and 3 but basically against the systematic flattening of the tree, but it's just a matter of taste, and we are 2 vs 1 here, so I'll just shut up now :D -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 09:21, 11 May 2011 (EDT)
 
:::Phew! That was one mess of work! No longer do we distinguish between article ''topics'' and ''types''. I will propose changes to the tree regarding (2) in detail before committing to anything. -- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 17:08, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
 
::::Very good job pointone, it has surely been worth the effort! -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 10:24, 11 June 2011 (EDT)
 
 
:How about using native category names with redirects to i18n named categories on category pages? --[[User:AlexanderR|AlexanderR]] ([[User talk:AlexanderR|talk]])
 
::Actually I was thinking to propose the liberalization of titles for all pages (not only categories), but only '''after''' implementing [[Help_talk:I18n#.22Dummy.22_interlanguage_links_and_deprecation_of_Template:i18n]]. Please, until then let's stick with the current standard: we'll discuss this thing after that, there's already lots of stuff going on in that talk page :) -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 20:30, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Done. Thank you for pointing to [[Help_talk:I18n]]. Good luck with i18n work! --[[User:AlexanderR|AlexanderR]] ([[User talk:AlexanderR|talk]])
 
::::  i18n standardization split to its own topic. Close fininshed ToC restructuring part. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 04:08, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
== i18n standardization ==
 
== i18n standardization ==
 
Non-English categories should follow the naming scheme ''Title in English (Language)''. See [[Help:i18n]] for details. [[Template:i18n]] should be included on all category pages. Furthermore, all category titles should be appropriately capitalized (Like a Title).
 
Non-English categories should follow the naming scheme ''Title in English (Language)''. See [[Help:i18n]] for details. [[Template:i18n]] should be included on all category pages. Furthermore, all category titles should be appropriately capitalized (Like a Title).
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:I can easily solve this one with my bot, although it's not urgent. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 16:48, 23 April 2012 (EDT)
 
:I can easily solve this one with my bot, although it's not urgent. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 16:48, 23 April 2012 (EDT)
 
:Maybe not so easily, since I'd need a dictionary of words that should be left lower-case. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 20:51, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:Maybe not so easily, since I'd need a dictionary of words that should be left lower-case. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 20:51, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 
=="also in" links==
 
Do you like seeing the "also in" links next to categories that have more than one parent? -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 06:56, 1 March 2012 (EST)
 
:Related discussion: [[Help talk:Style#Category pages - tree or otherwise?]] If we return to a tree structure, "also in" links would not exist. -- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 19:18, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
 
::But maybe in that case displaying them would be even more important, as a means of detecting violations to the rule. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 08:27, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
 
:::Quite right. My vote is conditional upon the tree decision, then. If a tree structure is enforced, display it to detect violations. If we allow multiple categories, however, hide it to avoid clutter. -- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 13:04, 15 March 2012 (EDT)
 
::::Ah kk your position is perfectly clear. However I wouldn't consider the ToC only as a tool for end-users, I think it's also very useful for maintainers, in fact being able to spot multi-parent categories (be them allowed or not) gives a clearer idea of how the articles are structured.
 
::::Some ideas to reduce/avoid clutter:
 
::::*[[:Category:Display managers|Display managers]] (8) <sup>also in [[:Category:Boot process|Boot process]], [[:Category:Daemons and system services|Daemons and system services]]</sup>
 
:::::(I'll probably implement this solution for the next update)
 
::::*[[:Category:Display managers|Display managers]] (8) <sup><span title="also in Boot process, Daemons and system services">*</span></sup>
 
:::::(for this option, place the mouse on the asterisk; we can use another symbol, like <sup>+  ^  #  !</sup>)
 
::::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 07:06, 16 March 2012 (EDT)
 
::::The first idea is implemented currently with &lt;small>. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 11:56, 18 March 2012 (EDT)
 
 
===Poll===
 
;Display it
 
:''[vote with {{ic|<nowiki>: ~~~~</nowiki>}}]''
 
: [[User:Thestinger|thestinger]] 00:48, 2 March 2012 (EST)
 
: [[User:Skydiver|Skydiver]] 00:51, 2 March 2012 (EST)
 
: [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 05:09, 2 March 2012 (EST)
 
;Don't display it
 
:''[vote with {{ic|<nowiki>: ~~~~</nowiki>}}]''
 
: [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] 20:09, 1 March 2012 (EST)
 
: [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 19:18, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
 
  
 
=="also in" translations==
 
=="also in" translations==
Currently only Spanish, French, Italian and Portuguese have a translated "also in" string for categories with more than one parent, all the others are using the English wording. Please request new translations here. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 05:59, 12 March 2012 (EDT)
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Currently only Spanish, <s>French</s>, Italian and Portuguese have a translated "also in" string for categories with more than one parent, all the others are using the English wording. Please request new translations here. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 05:59, 12 March 2012 (EDT)
 
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== Add Table of Contents link into left navigation panel  ==
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Sometime I want to visit this Table of Contents page. Right now I have to click to Main Page and then Click the link on the top.  Why not add a link into navigation part on left page. It will be more visiable their. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 04:14, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
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:Actually this seems a pretty cool idea to me! It's as easy as editing [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]: what about putting the link in second place, right below the link to [[Main Page]]? -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 09:50, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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:: That is my prefered location too. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 14:02, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
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:::Sounds good! A possible alternative would be to include the ToC on the Main Page itself. -- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] ([[User talk:Pointone|talk]]) 15:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
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::::For the moment I've added the link to the navigation pane (also for curiosity ^^ ), although I don't understand why our [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] had been deleted (automatically with an update?) with a "No longer required" summary.
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::::The idea of reorganizing the [[Main Page]] however is kind of interesting, it would be worth discussing it separately :) Maybe instead of adding the whole ToC we could add only some major categories, or create a section with featured articles...
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::::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 10:56, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
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Revision as of 08:59, 6 June 2013

i18n standardization

Non-English categories should follow the naming scheme Title in English (Language). See Help:i18n for details. Template:i18n should be included on all category pages. Furthermore, all category titles should be appropriately capitalized (Like a Title).

Are there any objections? I will prepare an outline of my imagined category tree shortly.

-- pointone 20:20, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

How about using native category names with redirects to i18n named categories on category pages? --AlexanderR (talk)
Actually I was thinking to propose the liberalization of titles for all pages (not only categories), but only after implementing Help_talk:I18n#.22Dummy.22_interlanguage_links_and_deprecation_of_Template:i18n. Please, until then let's stick with the current standard: we'll discuss this thing after that, there's already lots of stuff going on in that talk page :) -- Kynikos (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Done. Thank you for pointing to Help_talk:I18n. Good luck with i18n work! --AlexanderR (talk)

Capitalization

[split from a previous discussion, now closed. -- Kynikos 16:48, 23 April 2012 (EDT)]

As I began sorting and standardizing the Spanish categories, I realized that many English categories have improper capitalization. These issues could probably more efficiently be dealt with simultaneously. --Emiralle 21:46, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

I can easily solve this one with my bot, although it's not urgent. -- Kynikos 16:48, 23 April 2012 (EDT)
Maybe not so easily, since I'd need a dictionary of words that should be left lower-case. -- Kynikos (talk) 20:51, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

"also in" translations

Currently only Spanish, French, Italian and Portuguese have a translated "also in" string for categories with more than one parent, all the others are using the English wording. Please request new translations here. -- Kynikos 05:59, 12 March 2012 (EDT)