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:I can easily solve this one with my bot, although it's not urgent. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 16:48, 23 April 2012 (EDT)
 
:I can easily solve this one with my bot, although it's not urgent. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 16:48, 23 April 2012 (EDT)
 
:Maybe not so easily, since I'd need a dictionary of words that should be left lower-case. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 20:51, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:Maybe not so easily, since I'd need a dictionary of words that should be left lower-case. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 20:51, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 
=="also in" links==
 
Do you like seeing the "also in" links next to categories that have more than one parent? -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 06:56, 1 March 2012 (EST)
 
:Related discussion: [[Help talk:Style#Category pages - tree or otherwise?]] If we return to a tree structure, "also in" links would not exist. -- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 19:18, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
 
::But maybe in that case displaying them would be even more important, as a means of detecting violations to the rule. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 08:27, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
 
:::Quite right. My vote is conditional upon the tree decision, then. If a tree structure is enforced, display it to detect violations. If we allow multiple categories, however, hide it to avoid clutter. -- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 13:04, 15 March 2012 (EDT)
 
::::Ah kk your position is perfectly clear. However I wouldn't consider the ToC only as a tool for end-users, I think it's also very useful for maintainers, in fact being able to spot multi-parent categories (be them allowed or not) gives a clearer idea of how the articles are structured.
 
::::Some ideas to reduce/avoid clutter:
 
::::*[[:Category:Display managers|Display managers]] (8) <sup>also in [[:Category:Boot process|Boot process]], [[:Category:Daemons and system services|Daemons and system services]]</sup>
 
:::::(I'll probably implement this solution for the next update)
 
::::*[[:Category:Display managers|Display managers]] (8) <sup><span title="also in Boot process, Daemons and system services">*</span></sup>
 
:::::(for this option, place the mouse on the asterisk; we can use another symbol, like <sup>+  ^  #  !</sup>)
 
::::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 07:06, 16 March 2012 (EDT)
 
::::The first idea is implemented currently with &lt;small>. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 11:56, 18 March 2012 (EDT)
 
 
===Poll===
 
;Display it
 
:''[vote with {{ic|<nowiki>: ~~~~</nowiki>}}]''
 
: [[User:Thestinger|thestinger]] 00:48, 2 March 2012 (EST)
 
: [[User:Skydiver|Skydiver]] 00:51, 2 March 2012 (EST)
 
: [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 05:09, 2 March 2012 (EST)
 
;Don't display it
 
:''[vote with {{ic|<nowiki>: ~~~~</nowiki>}}]''
 
: [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] 20:09, 1 March 2012 (EST)
 
: [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 19:18, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
 
  
 
=="also in" translations==
 
=="also in" translations==
Currently only Spanish, French, Italian and Portuguese have a translated "also in" string for categories with more than one parent, all the others are using the English wording. Please request new translations here. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 05:59, 12 March 2012 (EDT)
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Currently only Spanish, <s>French</s>, Italian and Portuguese have a translated "also in" string for categories with more than one parent, all the others are using the English wording. Please request new translations here. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 05:59, 12 March 2012 (EDT)
 
 
== Add Table of Contents link into left navigation panel  ==
 
 
 
Sometime I want to visit this Table of Contents page. Right now I have to click to Main Page and then Click the link on the top.  Why not add a link into navigation part on left page. It will be more visiable their. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 04:14, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Actually this seems a pretty cool idea to me! It's as easy as editing [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]: what about putting the link in second place, right below the link to [[Main Page]]? -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 09:50, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:: That is my prefered location too. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 14:02, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::Sounds good! A possible alternative would be to include the ToC on the Main Page itself. -- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] ([[User talk:Pointone|talk]]) 15:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::For the moment I've added the link to the navigation pane (also for curiosity ^^ ), although I don't understand why our [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] had been deleted (automatically with an update?) with a "No longer required" summary.
 
::::The idea of reorganizing the [[Main Page]] however is kind of interesting, it would be worth discussing it separately :) Maybe instead of adding the whole ToC we could add only some major categories, or create a section with featured articles...
 
::::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 10:56, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::: Where to translate "Table of Contents" to other language ? I can not find it. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 02:11, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::I'll see what can be done, thanks for the report. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 08:06, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::::We'd probably need to create and translate a system message: [[Special:AllMessages]] says ''"This is a list of system messages available in the MediaWiki namespace. Please visit [[mw:Localisation|MediaWiki Localisation]] and [https://translatewiki.net/ translatewiki.net] if you wish to contribute to the generic MediaWiki localisation."''. I don't have a clear idea of what we should do now, there's still the alternative of adding the ToC to the main page. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 19:52, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::Currently there's a problem with the cache and the link to [[Table of Contents]] is visible only on a minority of pages: it should be visible when logged in, or by appending {{ic|1=?action=purge}} to the url when not logged in (see [[mw:Manual:Purge]]). I hope the cache will refresh automatically in the next days. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 08:02, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::Apparently the cache doesn't refresh this feature, instead it refreshes it only as the pages are edited and saved (or just purged as shown above). -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 19:52, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Rename [[:Category:Web Server]] to [[:Category:Servers]] ==
 
 
 
Moved from [[Talk:Fengchao]]:
 
I noticed you moved the sendmail article to the "web server" category. But is that correct? It does not use or require apache, or lighthttp or any other web server.
 
And this is not an article about squirrelmail or any other webmail package. (It can work with squirrelmail and others, and I do plan to add a link to the current  squirrelmail article, and including config tips for sendmail on the squirrelmail article, but squirrelmail is not the point of the sendmail article)
 
I did look for a category called "mail server" or something, but since there isn't any, I came to the conclusion that Networking was the closest correct thing.
 
 
 
Hmm, may I suggest a "mail servers" category? It could hold not only this article, but also the one about Postfix, Exim, Courier MTA, etc.
 
We currently have a "email clients" category. [[User:Chrisl|Chrisl]] ([[User talk:Chrisl|talk]]) 15:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 
: +1 on creating a new category. Thanks Chris for your work :) --[[User:Maevius|Maevius]] ([[User talk:Maevius|talk]]) 15:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:: :D hehe thanks! [[User:Chrisl|Chrisl]] ([[User talk:Chrisl|talk]]) 03:19, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::: +1 for a new category. Currently there are too many pages in [[:Category:Networking]]. Right now I am moving "Server" related article into [[:Category:Web Server]]. Clean up [[:Category:Web Server]] is next step in my Todo list. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 06:46, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::: At the same time, the introduction in [[:Category:Web Server]] says:
 
:::: ''This category contains articles on various types of servers: web page servers, mail servers, code repository servers.''
 
:::: Should we change the category name to [[:Category:Servers]] to make it less confusion? And then we can add sub category for different servers.
 
:::: -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 07:15, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::IMHO [[:Category:Servers]] is too generic, servers can be many different kinds of software, not necessarily related to networking, think e.g. of Xorg.
 
:::::Since [[:Category:Internet Applications]] has already [[:Category:Email Client]], [[:Category:Web Browser]] and [[:Category:Web Server]], I guess creating [[:Category:Mail Server]] would be the most logic way to go. If however [[:Category:Mail Server]] would end up having too few articles, they should probably better be categorized directly under [[:Category:Internet Applications]], since it's indeed true that a "mail" server is not a "web" (http/ftp) server.
 
:::::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 16:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 

Revision as of 08:59, 6 June 2013

i18n standardization

Non-English categories should follow the naming scheme Title in English (Language). See Help:i18n for details. Template:i18n should be included on all category pages. Furthermore, all category titles should be appropriately capitalized (Like a Title).

Are there any objections? I will prepare an outline of my imagined category tree shortly.

-- pointone 20:20, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

How about using native category names with redirects to i18n named categories on category pages? --AlexanderR (talk)
Actually I was thinking to propose the liberalization of titles for all pages (not only categories), but only after implementing Help_talk:I18n#.22Dummy.22_interlanguage_links_and_deprecation_of_Template:i18n. Please, until then let's stick with the current standard: we'll discuss this thing after that, there's already lots of stuff going on in that talk page :) -- Kynikos (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Done. Thank you for pointing to Help_talk:I18n. Good luck with i18n work! --AlexanderR (talk)

Capitalization

[split from a previous discussion, now closed. -- Kynikos 16:48, 23 April 2012 (EDT)]

As I began sorting and standardizing the Spanish categories, I realized that many English categories have improper capitalization. These issues could probably more efficiently be dealt with simultaneously. --Emiralle 21:46, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

I can easily solve this one with my bot, although it's not urgent. -- Kynikos 16:48, 23 April 2012 (EDT)
Maybe not so easily, since I'd need a dictionary of words that should be left lower-case. -- Kynikos (talk) 20:51, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

"also in" translations

Currently only Spanish, French, Italian and Portuguese have a translated "also in" string for categories with more than one parent, all the others are using the English wording. Please request new translations here. -- Kynikos 05:59, 12 March 2012 (EDT)