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:I can easily solve this one with my bot, although it's not urgent. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 16:48, 23 April 2012 (EDT)
 
:I can easily solve this one with my bot, although it's not urgent. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 16:48, 23 April 2012 (EDT)
 
:Maybe not so easily, since I'd need a dictionary of words that should be left lower-case. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 20:51, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:Maybe not so easily, since I'd need a dictionary of words that should be left lower-case. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 20:51, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 
=="also in" links==
 
Do you like seeing the "also in" links next to categories that have more than one parent? -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 06:56, 1 March 2012 (EST)
 
:Related discussion: [[Help talk:Style#Category pages - tree or otherwise?]] If we return to a tree structure, "also in" links would not exist. -- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 19:18, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
 
::But maybe in that case displaying them would be even more important, as a means of detecting violations to the rule. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 08:27, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
 
:::Quite right. My vote is conditional upon the tree decision, then. If a tree structure is enforced, display it to detect violations. If we allow multiple categories, however, hide it to avoid clutter. -- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 13:04, 15 March 2012 (EDT)
 
::::Ah kk your position is perfectly clear. However I wouldn't consider the ToC only as a tool for end-users, I think it's also very useful for maintainers, in fact being able to spot multi-parent categories (be them allowed or not) gives a clearer idea of how the articles are structured.
 
::::Some ideas to reduce/avoid clutter:
 
::::*[[:Category:Display managers|Display managers]] (8) <sup>also in [[:Category:Boot process|Boot process]], [[:Category:Daemons and system services|Daemons and system services]]</sup>
 
:::::(I'll probably implement this solution for the next update)
 
::::*[[:Category:Display managers|Display managers]] (8) <sup><span title="also in Boot process, Daemons and system services">*</span></sup>
 
:::::(for this option, place the mouse on the asterisk; we can use another symbol, like <sup>+  ^  #  !</sup>)
 
::::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 07:06, 16 March 2012 (EDT)
 
::::The first idea is implemented currently with &lt;small>. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 11:56, 18 March 2012 (EDT)
 
 
===Poll===
 
;Display it
 
:''[vote with {{ic|<nowiki>: ~~~~</nowiki>}}]''
 
: [[User:Thestinger|thestinger]] 00:48, 2 March 2012 (EST)
 
: [[User:Skydiver|Skydiver]] 00:51, 2 March 2012 (EST)
 
: [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 05:09, 2 March 2012 (EST)
 
;Don't display it
 
:''[vote with {{ic|<nowiki>: ~~~~</nowiki>}}]''
 
: [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] 20:09, 1 March 2012 (EST)
 
: [[User:Pointone|pointone]] 19:18, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
 
  
 
=="also in" translations==
 
=="also in" translations==
Currently only Spanish, French, Italian and Portuguese have a translated "also in" string for categories with more than one parent, all the others are using the English wording. Please request new translations here. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 05:59, 12 March 2012 (EDT)
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Currently only Spanish, <s>French</s>, Italian and Portuguese have a translated "also in" string for categories with more than one parent, all the others are using the English wording. Please request new translations here. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 05:59, 12 March 2012 (EDT)
 
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== Add Table of Contents link into left navigation panel  ==
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Sometime I want to visit this Table of Contents page. Right now I have to click to Main Page and then Click the link on the top.  Why not add a link into navigation part on left page. It will be more visiable their. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 04:14, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
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:Actually this seems a pretty cool idea to me! It's as easy as editing [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]: what about putting the link in second place, right below the link to [[Main Page]]? -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 09:50, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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:: That is my prefered location too. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 14:02, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
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:::Sounds good! A possible alternative would be to include the ToC on the Main Page itself. -- [[User:Pointone|pointone]] ([[User talk:Pointone|talk]]) 15:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
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::::For the moment I've added the link to the navigation pane (also for curiosity ^^ ), although I don't understand why our [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] had been deleted (automatically with an update?) with a "No longer required" summary.
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::::The idea of reorganizing the [[Main Page]] however is kind of interesting, it would be worth discussing it separately :) Maybe instead of adding the whole ToC we could add only some major categories, or create a section with featured articles...
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::::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 10:56, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
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::::: Where to translate "Table of Contents" to other language ? I can not find it. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 02:11, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
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::::::I'll see what can be done, thanks for the report. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 08:06, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
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:::::::We'd probably need to create and translate a system message: [[Special:AllMessages]] says ''"This is a list of system messages available in the MediaWiki namespace. Please visit [[mw:Localisation|MediaWiki Localisation]] and [https://translatewiki.net/ translatewiki.net] if you wish to contribute to the generic MediaWiki localisation."''. I don't have a clear idea of what we should do now, there's still the alternative of adding the ToC to the main page. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 19:52, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
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:::::Currently there's a problem with the cache and the link to [[Table of Contents]] is visible only on a minority of pages: it should be visible when logged in, or by appending {{ic|1=?action=purge}} to the url when not logged in (see [[mw:Manual:Purge]]). I hope the cache will refresh automatically in the next days. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 08:02, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
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::::::Apparently the cache doesn't refresh this feature, instead it refreshes it only as the pages are edited and saved (or just purged as shown above). -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 19:52, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
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== Rename [[:Category:Web Server]] to [[:Category:Servers]] ==
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Moved from [[Talk:Fengchao]]:
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I noticed you moved the sendmail article to the "web server" category. But is that correct? It does not use or require apache, or lighthttp or any other web server.
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And this is not an article about squirrelmail or any other webmail package. (It can work with squirrelmail and others, and I do plan to add a link to the current  squirrelmail article, and including config tips for sendmail on the squirrelmail article, but squirrelmail is not the point of the sendmail article)
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I did look for a category called "mail server" or something, but since there isn't any, I came to the conclusion that Networking was the closest correct thing.
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Hmm, may I suggest a "mail servers" category? It could hold not only this article, but also the one about Postfix, Exim, Courier MTA, etc.
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We currently have a "email clients" category. [[User:Chrisl|Chrisl]] ([[User talk:Chrisl|talk]]) 15:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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: +1 on creating a new category. Thanks Chris for your work :) --[[User:Maevius|Maevius]] ([[User talk:Maevius|talk]]) 15:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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:: :D hehe thanks! [[User:Chrisl|Chrisl]] ([[User talk:Chrisl|talk]]) 03:19, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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::: +1 for a new category. Currently there are too many pages in [[:Category:Networking]]. Right now I am moving "Server" related article into [[:Category:Web Server]]. Clean up [[:Category:Web Server]] is next step in my Todo list. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 06:46, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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:::: At the same time, the introduction in [[:Category:Web Server]] says:
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:::: ''This category contains articles on various types of servers: web page servers, mail servers, code repository servers.''
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:::: Should we change the category name to [[:Category:Servers]] to make it less confusion? And then we can add sub category for different servers.
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:::: -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 07:15, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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:::::IMHO [[:Category:Servers]] is too generic, servers can be many different kinds of software, not necessarily related to networking, think e.g. of Xorg.
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:::::I guess creating [[:Category:Mail Server]] directly under [[:Category:Networking]] (just like [[:Category:Web Server]]) would be the most natural way to go since it's indeed true that a "mail" server is not a "web" (http/ftp) server.
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:::::Thank you Fengchao for trying to split [[:Category:Networking]] in more subcategories, it will be surely a great improvement for our ToC.
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:::::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 16:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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:::::I think is better to create a new  [[:Category:Mail Server]], than renaming [[:Category:Web Server]] to [[:Category:Servers]].
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:::::But if you guys have a preference for that, then I would suggest instead that it got renamed to [[:Category:Internet Servers]] or [[:Category:Internet Services]], because, like Kynikos said, "servers" is too generic, while "internet servers" would cover web, mail, code repository.... yes, yes, I know you can have those on a LAN, hehe, but still, "internet servers" or "internet services" is more clear than just "servers"
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:::::again, I think adding [[:Category:Mail Server]] is better
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:::::[[User:Chrisl|Chrisl]] ([[User talk:Chrisl|talk]]) 23:45, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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i18n standardization

Non-English categories should follow the naming scheme Title in English (Language). See Help:i18n for details. Template:i18n should be included on all category pages. Furthermore, all category titles should be appropriately capitalized (Like a Title).

Are there any objections? I will prepare an outline of my imagined category tree shortly.

-- pointone 20:20, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

How about using native category names with redirects to i18n named categories on category pages? --AlexanderR (talk)
Actually I was thinking to propose the liberalization of titles for all pages (not only categories), but only after implementing Help_talk:I18n#.22Dummy.22_interlanguage_links_and_deprecation_of_Template:i18n. Please, until then let's stick with the current standard: we'll discuss this thing after that, there's already lots of stuff going on in that talk page :) -- Kynikos (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Done. Thank you for pointing to Help_talk:I18n. Good luck with i18n work! --AlexanderR (talk)

Capitalization

[split from a previous discussion, now closed. -- Kynikos 16:48, 23 April 2012 (EDT)]

As I began sorting and standardizing the Spanish categories, I realized that many English categories have improper capitalization. These issues could probably more efficiently be dealt with simultaneously. --Emiralle 21:46, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

I can easily solve this one with my bot, although it's not urgent. -- Kynikos 16:48, 23 April 2012 (EDT)
Maybe not so easily, since I'd need a dictionary of words that should be left lower-case. -- Kynikos (talk) 20:51, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

"also in" translations

Currently only Spanish, French, Italian and Portuguese have a translated "also in" string for categories with more than one parent, all the others are using the English wording. Please request new translations here. -- Kynikos 05:59, 12 March 2012 (EDT)