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The part that says "Arch Linux defines simplicity as a lightweight base structure without unnecessary additions, modifications, or complications..." basically contradicts itself. It has a lot of clutter that might use a revert to the original version Dusty and I wrote. See for yourself. Are "additions" and "modifications" unnecessary? No. They are just not considered base structure. But they are certainly needed if you want to do something useful. Any attempt to further explain the "lightweight base structure" is just adding clutter. The same can be said of many parts in the article. I haven't checked back on it for a long time, but it seems people have just added a lot of stuff without cleaning it up. --[[User:Foxbunny|foxbunny]] 18:33, 14 May 2010 (EDT)
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== <s>Minor edits</s> ==
  
: In the phrase, "unnecessary additions, modifications, or complications..." the 'additions' and 'modifications' are both described by the adjective 'unnecessary'. Therefore, in English, it is read and understood to mean that such '''unnecessary''' modification is to be avoided, if possible. [[User:Misfit138|Misfit138]] 21:47, 18 June 2011 (EDT)
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Hi - these are a couple of edits as of [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_Linux&oldid=423847 version 423847] that are quite minor but I think would be improvements:
==<s> User Centric </s>==
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Any that have permision can chage this to relly in User centric but for how this manage they own sistem
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* Changing "required for his purposes" in the first paragraph to something like "required for their purposes" (more [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-neutral_language gender-neutral])
Actually relly in recent changes (Rc.conf split, new arch iso) is demotrated that User oly have control ower they own machina and NOT neither never over devs decicion either if thece dession are pro or con the Arch-way
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* I think there's a word missing from the second paragraph of the simplicity principle, "encouraging <users?> to perform"
: Those discussion should go to the forums or mailing list. Most user/developer will not notice your complain here. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 05:44, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks —[[User:Alexmuller|alexmuller]] 22:12, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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:The "gender neutral" language is open to interpretation. e.g. in The Elements of Style:
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::They. A common inaccuracy is the use of the plural pronoun when the antecedent is a distributive expression such as each, each one, everybody, every one, many a man, which, though implying more than one person, requires the pronoun to be in the singular. Similar to this, but with even less justification, is the use of the plural pronoun with the antecedent anybody, any one, somebody, some one, the intention being either to avoid the awkward “he or she,or to avoid committing oneself to either. Some bashful speakers even say, “A friend of mine told me that they, etc.
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::Use he with all the above words, unless the antecedent is or must be feminine.
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:I've changed the second paragraph, thanks. -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 22:56, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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::No problem! In that case I'd probably be in favour of rewording the sentence entirely to remove the passive voice: something like "The default installation is a minimal base system so that you can configure it exactly as you need it." —[[User:Alexmuller|alexmuller]] 05:46, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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:::+1. I do like the style guide Alad references, but for this article I think it goes too far because the reasoning behind it will escape many (the majority of?) non-native readers. Alexmuller's suggestion removes doubts about the meaning and should be preferred in this central article in my view. --[[User:Indigo|Indigo]] ([[User talk:Indigo|talk]]) 14:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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::::Is [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_Linux&diff=435933&oldid=435130] acceptable? -- [[User:Alad|Alad]] ([[User talk:Alad|talk]]) 16:49, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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:::::As a non-native reader, I find it conceals meaning. Why not make the whole sentence plural ("The default installation is a minimal base system, configured by users to only add what is required for their purposes) or get rid of the problematic part ("The default installation is a minimal base system, configured by users to only add what they require")? -- [[User:Neitsab|Neitsab]] ([[User talk:Neitsab|talk]]) 17:11, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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::::::Using plural could work as well, though using it to circumvent using a gender form obfuscates. We don't want someone to think there is a community of users who "pre-configured the base install that arrives on the disk". I like the current solution; even more than the rephrase suggested above, thanks. <s>edit: I was still wondering what Neitsab finds the current version conceals, then thought we might even drop "purposefully" - 'required' says it all ("configured by the user to only add what is required.")</s>  --[[User:Indigo|Indigo]] ([[User talk:Indigo|talk]]) 18:16, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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It appears that the link to [https://dev.archlinux.org/~dan/archstats.svg "this chart of forum posts, users, and bug reports"] under the section [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux#The_middle_years History/The Middle Years] is dead and simply reroutes to the Arch homepage.
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I found the image on Wayback Machine [[https://web.archive.org/web/20150827070846/https://dev.archlinux.org/~dan/archstats.svg link]] and while Wayback Machine does allow direct linking to archives ([https://archive.org/about/faqs.php#4 see here]), it seems a bit clunky and I think ideally this image would be rehosted somewhere provided the copyright allowed it.
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Either way, I am unable to edit this page myself so I thought I'd try to bring it to someone's attention.
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{{Unsigned|20 September 2017‎|Ananaso}}
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:Thank you, I've recovered the image and uploaded it directly on the wiki[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_Linux&type=revision&diff=490870&oldid=470538] :) -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 12:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 12:45, 20 September 2017

Minor edits

Hi - these are a couple of edits as of version 423847 that are quite minor but I think would be improvements:

  • Changing "required for his purposes" in the first paragraph to something like "required for their purposes" (more gender-neutral)
  • I think there's a word missing from the second paragraph of the simplicity principle, "encouraging <users?> to perform"

Thanks —alexmuller 22:12, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

The "gender neutral" language is open to interpretation. e.g. in The Elements of Style:
They. A common inaccuracy is the use of the plural pronoun when the antecedent is a distributive expression such as each, each one, everybody, every one, many a man, which, though implying more than one person, requires the pronoun to be in the singular. Similar to this, but with even less justification, is the use of the plural pronoun with the antecedent anybody, any one, somebody, some one, the intention being either to avoid the awkward “he or she,” or to avoid committing oneself to either. Some bashful speakers even say, “A friend of mine told me that they, etc.”
Use he with all the above words, unless the antecedent is or must be feminine.
I've changed the second paragraph, thanks. -- Alad (talk) 22:56, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
No problem! In that case I'd probably be in favour of rewording the sentence entirely to remove the passive voice: something like "The default installation is a minimal base system so that you can configure it exactly as you need it." —alexmuller 05:46, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
+1. I do like the style guide Alad references, but for this article I think it goes too far because the reasoning behind it will escape many (the majority of?) non-native readers. Alexmuller's suggestion removes doubts about the meaning and should be preferred in this central article in my view. --Indigo (talk) 14:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Is [1] acceptable? -- Alad (talk) 16:49, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
As a non-native reader, I find it conceals meaning. Why not make the whole sentence plural ("The default installation is a minimal base system, configured by users to only add what is required for their purposes) or get rid of the problematic part ("The default installation is a minimal base system, configured by users to only add what they require")? -- Neitsab (talk) 17:11, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Using plural could work as well, though using it to circumvent using a gender form obfuscates. We don't want someone to think there is a community of users who "pre-configured the base install that arrives on the disk". I like the current solution; even more than the rephrase suggested above, thanks. edit: I was still wondering what Neitsab finds the current version conceals, then thought we might even drop "purposefully" - 'required' says it all ("configured by the user to only add what is required.") --Indigo (talk) 18:16, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Missing image

It appears that the link to "this chart of forum posts, users, and bug reports" under the section History/The Middle Years is dead and simply reroutes to the Arch homepage.

I found the image on Wayback Machine [link] and while Wayback Machine does allow direct linking to archives (see here), it seems a bit clunky and I think ideally this image would be rehosted somewhere provided the copyright allowed it.

Either way, I am unable to edit this page myself so I thought I'd try to bring it to someone's attention.

—This unsigned comment is by Ananaso (talk) 20 September 2017‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Thank you, I've recovered the image and uploaded it directly on the wiki[2] :) -- Kynikos (talk) 12:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC)