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--[[User:Svenstaro|Svenstaro]] 22:45, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
 
--[[User:Svenstaro|Svenstaro]] 22:45, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
 
:I am not a wizard, but regardless, one of the things to do is simply peruse the [http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/quickref.html#quickref quickref] and try to think of when such and such command or keystroke could be useful. Read the associated documentation for those you are interested in. See also Jonathan McPherson's [http://jmcpherson.org/editing.html article on efficient editing] as well as [http://www.moolenaar.net/habits.html Bram Moolenar's version]. --khne522 Forgot to sign at the moment of posting.
 
:I am not a wizard, but regardless, one of the things to do is simply peruse the [http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/quickref.html#quickref quickref] and try to think of when such and such command or keystroke could be useful. Read the associated documentation for those you are interested in. See also Jonathan McPherson's [http://jmcpherson.org/editing.html article on efficient editing] as well as [http://www.moolenaar.net/habits.html Bram Moolenar's version]. --khne522 Forgot to sign at the moment of posting.
 
== Comments ==
 
 
''"This is the basic usage on how to use vim"'' is a very awkward sentece. I've changed it.
 
: Nod.  How it is put now describes it better. --[[User:Gen2ly|Gen2ly]] 15:39, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
 
  
 
== 256 Colorschemes ==
 
== 256 Colorschemes ==
 
There should be a comment somewhere in the vimrc example pointing out that 256 colors load properlly if the colorscheme sentence on the vimrc is at the bottom of the file
 
There should be a comment somewhere in the vimrc example pointing out that 256 colors load properlly if the colorscheme sentence on the vimrc is at the bottom of the file
 
==<s>vim != vi</s>==
 
If [[vi]] is going to redirect here, we at least need something to distinguish these. | [[User:Emiralle|Emiralle]] 09:47, 11 October 2011 (EDT)
 
:Well, the intro already says "Vim is an advanced text editor that seeks to provide the power of the de-facto UNIX editor ‘vi’, with a more complete feature set." but if you want to add more it's a welcome thing :) -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 16:01, 12 October 2011 (EDT)
 
 
==<s>vim-spell</s>==
 
 
In the [[Vim#Spell Check|Spell Check]] section the infromation are incomplete, now the spell check for Vim are in the repository so I think that the section need to be updated, I was thinking someting like that:
 
 
Only English language dictionaries are installed by default, more can be found in the [extra] reopository:
 
# pacman -Ss vim-spell
 
to get the list of available languages,
 
 
# pacman -S vim-spell-xy
 
 
where xy are the language of your choice.
 
 
The spell check files can also be found at the [http://ftp.vim.org/vim/runtime/spell/ vim ftp archive]. After downloading the spl files for the given language (e.g. hu.cp1250.spl, hu.iso-8859-2.spl and/or hu.utf-8.spl for Hungarian) into {{ic|~/.vim/spell}}, run:
 
:setlocal spell spelllang=LL
 
 
This is just a sample, not fully formatted.[[User:Maveloth|Maveloth]] 08:32, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
 
:Looks good, you can update the section. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 07:14, 16 October 2011 (EDT)
 
::Done, I also suggest to use the keypress template for this page, I'm going to translate it for the Italian wiki, so if you think it is correct I can do it. -- [[User:Maveloth|Maveloth]] 13:51, 17 October 2011 (EDT)
 
:::Well, having all keys marked with [[Template:Keypress]] is better than highlighting them in bold, so you can change them. Nonetheless, I don't know if Keypress itself will be involved in the template simplification currently under discussion, and thus redirected to a simpler template, but that's another story. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 05:41, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
 
:::The spell checking addition was reverted only because of how Template:Keypress looked at that time, now I've restored it and this discussion can be closed. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] 07:43, 5 March 2012 (EST)
 
  
 
== Should there be this much tutorial content? ==
 
== Should there be this much tutorial content? ==
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::The [[Emacs]] page was re-written and structured to be consistent with the [[Vim]] page; any structure change should be reflected in both pages. I don't want to speculate why people do and don't come to the ArchWiki. The standard of documentation on these pages is quite good and I wouldn't like to see them removed just for the sake of it. However, if other pages can be found which provide an equivalent (or better) resource, then I'm all for it.
 
::The [[Emacs]] page was re-written and structured to be consistent with the [[Vim]] page; any structure change should be reflected in both pages. I don't want to speculate why people do and don't come to the ArchWiki. The standard of documentation on these pages is quite good and I wouldn't like to see them removed just for the sake of it. However, if other pages can be found which provide an equivalent (or better) resource, then I'm all for it.
 
::--[[User:Chpln|Chpln]] ([[User talk:Chpln|talk]]) 09:23, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 
::--[[User:Chpln|Chpln]] ([[User talk:Chpln|talk]]) 09:23, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
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:::This documentation is hard for me to read; my eyes just skim right past it. I think it may be the typography that's causing issues, but at any rate, I feel that there are many better resources. There's the wonderful vimtutor and the help documents both built into vim. Also, here are a few sites I found from a quick search:
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:::http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Vim_Tips_Wiki
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:::http://www.openvim.com/
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:::http://yannesposito.com/Scratch/en/blog/Learn-Vim-Progressively/
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:::http://www.knowvim.com/
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:::http://yanpritzker.com/2011/12/16/learn-to-speak-vim-verbs-nouns-and-modifiers/
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:::http://vim-adventures.com/ (You have to pay if you want the entire game)
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:::[[User:Conley|Conley]] ([[User talk:Conley|talk]])
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::: Vim hs a very good document base. Arch wiki should link to these pages instead duplicate information here. Upstream first is what Arch always does. -- [[User:Fengchao|Fengchao]] ([[User talk:Fengchao|talk]]) 02:26, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
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::: I'm beginning to work on deleting all the extraneous content. Once all the other sections are up to par, as well as the basics section, I'll take them out. -- [[User:Conley|Conley]] ([[User talk:Conley|talk]]) 22:23, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

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Advanced vim usage?

Could a wise vim wizard share with us the art of advanced vim usage using plugins and commands not explained in this article? --Svenstaro 22:45, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

I am not a wizard, but regardless, one of the things to do is simply peruse the quickref and try to think of when such and such command or keystroke could be useful. Read the associated documentation for those you are interested in. See also Jonathan McPherson's article on efficient editing as well as Bram Moolenar's version. --khne522 Forgot to sign at the moment of posting.

256 Colorschemes

There should be a comment somewhere in the vimrc example pointing out that 256 colors load properlly if the colorscheme sentence on the vimrc is at the bottom of the file

Should there be this much tutorial content?

The usage section is very large, and not very useful, in my opinion. If users are looking for learning resources, vimtutor would do a much better job. I think usage should be a short overview of things that focuses on more abstract things, such as how modal editing works. Conley (talk) 15:06, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

My reply would be a simple +1 (also because of Help:Style#Hypertext metaphor), but the same observation can be done for Emacs, so we can either remove the usage sections from both articles or none.
I don't think it's the ArchWiki's duty to teach how to use Vim or Emacs, there are innumerable guides, tutorials, cheat sheets... out there for both applications, not counting their official documentation. I don't think either that people really come to the ArchWiki to learn how to use those programs.
On the other hand, I recognise that a lot of effort has been put to write those sections, and just chucking them out like that would make me a little sorry ^^
More opinions?
-- Kynikos (talk) 12:35, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
The Emacs page was re-written and structured to be consistent with the Vim page; any structure change should be reflected in both pages. I don't want to speculate why people do and don't come to the ArchWiki. The standard of documentation on these pages is quite good and I wouldn't like to see them removed just for the sake of it. However, if other pages can be found which provide an equivalent (or better) resource, then I'm all for it.
--Chpln (talk) 09:23, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
This documentation is hard for me to read; my eyes just skim right past it. I think it may be the typography that's causing issues, but at any rate, I feel that there are many better resources. There's the wonderful vimtutor and the help documents both built into vim. Also, here are a few sites I found from a quick search:
http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Vim_Tips_Wiki
http://www.openvim.com/
http://yannesposito.com/Scratch/en/blog/Learn-Vim-Progressively/
http://www.knowvim.com/
http://yanpritzker.com/2011/12/16/learn-to-speak-vim-verbs-nouns-and-modifiers/
http://vim-adventures.com/ (You have to pay if you want the entire game)
Conley (talk)
Vim hs a very good document base. Arch wiki should link to these pages instead duplicate information here. Upstream first is what Arch always does. -- Fengchao (talk) 02:26, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm beginning to work on deleting all the extraneous content. Once all the other sections are up to par, as well as the basics section, I'll take them out. -- Conley (talk) 22:23, 6 October 2012 (UTC)