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Update Wikipedia inter-wiki link to use the SSL version of Wikipedia

This template/inter-wiki link should use the SSL version of Wikipedia instead of the regular HTTP version. For example, the inter-wiki link should use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_Linux instead of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_Linux

I wasn't sure where to report this, so I apologize if this is the wrong location.
-- Jstjohn (talk) 04:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

This is a problem of the back-end configuration of our wiki, probably [1] or [2], I'm not really sure... This is affecting also the simple interwiki links to Wikipedia. A bug report should be opened, but without a patch it will never be fixed :)
We could just fix the link in this template by making it explicit (i.e. not using the interwiki syntax), but I'm going to deprecate this template instead, like it happened for Template:Gentoo.
-- Kynikos (talk) 14:56, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Deprecation

  • It's not simple at all to have a template for links to Wikipedia when there are already interwiki links
  • The rest of the wording is completely useless and inconsistent with all the links to any other sources (including links to other articles in this very wiki)

=> Deprecated.

List of deprecated templates:

  1. Fix all their transclusions and backlinks (usually just by hard-coding the template text)
  2. Delete the templates
  3. Move #Update Wikipedia inter-wiki link to use the SSL version of Wikipedia somewhere else as it's an important reminder of a bug in our interwiki table
  4. Delete this talk page

Well, if somebody wants to defend the existence of this template, this is the time and place to speak.

-- Kynikos (talk) 14:56, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Am I still allowed to express my opinion on the matter? IMO, "hard-coding the template text" is exact opposite of the purpose of wiki format. I won't be surprised when someone unknowingly re-creates this template under different name for the same purpose. --AlexanderR (talk) 13:09, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Well, the most important reason behind this deprecation is consistency: 99% of the text introducing links in articles is hard coded, even most links to Wikipedia don't use the template because they require a particular wording (or no wording at all). Having a template that handles just some particular cases is inconsistent and useless, since the text introducing a link to Wikipedia has a very little chance of needing adjustments, and for sure it doesn't need more updates than most of the other already hard-coded text. There's no reason to treat a small subset of links to Wikipedia differently from all the others. With the same philosophy, we could have templates with text that introduces links to the forums, the bug tracker, online manual pages, and any other kind of external links, e.g. links to the Gentoo wiki, whose template was deprecated and deleted for these same reasons. Moreover, we could make templates with text that introduces the installation of packages, the starting of daemons etc., turning the articles into collages of templates mixed with plain text, which would also make the source unreadable. What's simpler, an incosistent blue-bordered, white box with some useless text plus a link to the Wikipedia Main Page (as if there was somebody who doesn't know what Wikipedia is...) put in some random part of the article, or a simple interwiki link in the See also section together with all the other external links that add references for the subject? Finally, my experience tells me that the chance of somebody re-creating a similar template in the future is very low, and if/when it will happen, it will be very easily fixable with another click on the "delete" button ;) -- Kynikos (talk) 12:29, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Kynikos, so, will this template be deleted? I'm creating a russian article, translated from english version, that uses template Wikipedia. What should I use: template Wikipedia (Русский), or simply some text with links? --Kycok (talk) 07:24, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Yep, this template and its translations will eventually be deleted, you should use some plain text with links. If you also want to update the English articles you translate, these are recent examples: [3], [4]. -- Kynikos (talk) 01:13, 5 April 2014 (UTC)