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:::I still have to look into the edit, but Indigo is right, it's the scenarios that must depend on the other subpages for details, not vice versa, otherwise we'll start re-encouraging people to add details in the wrong place. I'll try to give a more accurate reply after reviewing the edit. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 11:06, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 
:::I still have to look into the edit, but Indigo is right, it's the scenarios that must depend on the other subpages for details, not vice versa, otherwise we'll start re-encouraging people to add details in the wrong place. I'll try to give a more accurate reply after reviewing the edit. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 11:06, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
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:::Ok, after examining the matter in detail, I've realized that [[dm-crypt/Drive Preparation]] is linked from the other subpages only when mentioning the secure drive erasure, while the "Partitioning" section is never referred to from them. When talking about partitioning, [[dm-crypt/Encrypting an Entire System]] always points the users directly to [[Partitioning]], and the fact that /boot has to be unencrypted is always stated there anyway (and couldn't be otherwise).
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:::Teateawhy does make a point when he says that partitioning is strongly dependent on the chosen system configuration and would require in practice mentioning the various scenarios in [[dm-crypt/Drive Preparation]], thus increasing - and not decreasing - duplication of content. Put another way, I can't see a way to deal with partitioning in a "generic" way there.
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:::This is why I propose to simply remove [[Dm-crypt/Drive Preparation#Partitioning]], and let [[Partitioning]], [[LVM]] and [[RAID]] be the detailed, generic articles that the scenarios should point the users to for more precise information (as they already do). At that point, [[Dm-crypt/Drive Preparation]] should probably be better renamed to [[Dm-crypt/Secure drive erasure]] or similar, also adding [[Securely wipe disk]] as a related article there, so as to remark the different scopes of the two articles.
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:::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 15:35, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Revision as of 15:35, 6 May 2014

GRUB redundant menu entries

About [1]: there is already a warning for that: GRUB#Generating main configuration file, [2]; even with a link to the bug report which provides the necessary workarounds. Is the new section necessary? -- Lahwaacz (talk) 22:00, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Inactive Arch based distros

Hi, I just wanted to make you aware of Arch based distributions (inactive), since you recently removed some inactive distros from Arch based distributions (active). I've restored them there this time. -- Kynikos (talk) 17:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Removing content

Hi, when you do edits like [3], please make sure the content removed is already available somewhere else, otherwise you should make sure the useful parts are preserved; I've restored them this time: [4], [5]. -- Kynikos (talk) 23:38, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I assumed the beginners' guide consists only of information that is already available on the relevant other wiki pages. Apparently that is not always true. Thank you for pointing this out.
Teateawhy (talk) 09:32, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Composite managers

About [6]: there is already Xorg#Composite. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 16:58, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I have replaced the existing list with the one from List of applications, as the new one has a nicer formatting. Then i created a link from the List of applications to the Xorg page. -- Teateawhy (talk) 20:23, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Great, thanks! -- Lahwaacz (talk) 05:53, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

dm-crypt/drive preparation

Hi, I'm unsure about cutting that part of the subpage as much as did with [7]

The idea about the scenario subpages Dm-crypt/Encrypting an Entire System and Dm-crypt/Encrypting a Non-Root File System is that these primarily give the installation instructions and for details and (some) general points refer to the other subpages, i.e. general info on partitioning should be in this section. Clearly we have to find the right balance of what we cover in Dm-crypt/Drive_Preparation#Partitioning because it is linked to the subsequent encryption and where we can link out to the real articles on partitioning. But linking from here to the scenario pages for explanation, like you did in the edit, is against the structure we want for the subpages (we rather want to merge more of the general info from the LVM/LUKS partitioning examples here).

--Indigo (talk) 23:19, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

> I'm unsure about cutting that part of the subpage as much as did with
Yes, the edit looks like a lot of content was lost, but to my defense the content was not formulated concise. A lot of words were used to say basically 3 things:
1. You can combine RAID and LVM together with dm-crypt, stacking block devices on each other as you want.
2. You can create partitions as you want and encrypt some of them, leaving others unencrypted.
3. You need a seperate unencrypted partition for /boot for full system encryption.
All these 3 points are found in the new version.
> general info on partitioning should be in this section
Yes, i agree. Is there any "general info" missing besides above 3 points?
>But linking from here to the scenario pages for explanation, like you did in the edit, is against the structure we want for the subpages
But we can not give any information about the partition layout without seperating it into sections depending on what kind of encryption is wanted. So we need another 4 or more sub-sections for:
  • Partition layout when using full system encryption
  • Partition layout when using LUKS on LVM
  • Partition layout when using LVM on LUKS
  • Partition layout when using LVM on RAID on LUKS ...
I think that it is easier to include the information about the partition layout in the relevant articles like Dm-crypt/Encrypting an Entire System, instead of making sub-sections on the page Dm-crypt/Drive_Preparation#Partitioning.
-- Teateawhy (talk) 23:50, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Sure it is easier, but that's not the point. Before Kynikos kicked off the re-structure and merge of the main old LUKS article and the newer ones, there was a long talk about how to perform a merge but not end up with an article twice as long as the LUKS page. Then it was decided to use "installation scenarios" and merge all the commmon content (incl. general info about partitioning) to subpages and link to them (see Talk:Dm-crypt#New_idea for the end of the discussion. We went a long way with this, but especially for the sections in Dm-crypt/Encrypting an Entire System it is not completed yet (and great you did edits to them). No problem with making this subsection more concise, but by linking back to the scenarios "for more info" you basically make it necessary to be more descriptive per scenario, what is exactly contrary to the intention of the structure.
If you still disagree, please move this talk item to Talk:Dm-crypt/Drive_Preparation. thanks.
--Indigo (talk) 10:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
I still have to look into the edit, but Indigo is right, it's the scenarios that must depend on the other subpages for details, not vice versa, otherwise we'll start re-encouraging people to add details in the wrong place. I'll try to give a more accurate reply after reviewing the edit. -- Kynikos (talk) 11:06, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Ok, after examining the matter in detail, I've realized that dm-crypt/Drive Preparation is linked from the other subpages only when mentioning the secure drive erasure, while the "Partitioning" section is never referred to from them. When talking about partitioning, dm-crypt/Encrypting an Entire System always points the users directly to Partitioning, and the fact that /boot has to be unencrypted is always stated there anyway (and couldn't be otherwise).
Teateawhy does make a point when he says that partitioning is strongly dependent on the chosen system configuration and would require in practice mentioning the various scenarios in dm-crypt/Drive Preparation, thus increasing - and not decreasing - duplication of content. Put another way, I can't see a way to deal with partitioning in a "generic" way there.
This is why I propose to simply remove Dm-crypt/Drive Preparation#Partitioning, and let Partitioning, LVM and RAID be the detailed, generic articles that the scenarios should point the users to for more precise information (as they already do). At that point, Dm-crypt/Drive Preparation should probably be better renamed to Dm-crypt/Secure drive erasure or similar, also adding Securely wipe disk as a related article there, so as to remark the different scopes of the two articles.
-- Kynikos (talk) 15:35, 6 May 2014 (UTC)