User talk:Kynikos

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Feel free to leave here your comments on my edits or anything else you want to talk about: I'll reply as soon as I can!

Note: Please, add new discussions at the bottom, and with a proper title: I'll take care of removing old discussions once they are exhausted.

Random formatting ideas

Xyne-related page edits after Powerpill, Bauerbill... discontinuation

"pacman -S foo" vs "pacman -Syu foo"

What about today's contributions from this user? Everywhere in the wiki it's used "-S" alone: I think people already know that they should update the system before installing packages, so writing "pacman -Syu package" is incoherent and unnecessarily complicated. Revert? -- Kynikos 15:39, 5 April 2011 (EDT)

I wanted to ask you about this too :-) Using the "good, bad, ugly" convention: '-Sy foo' is bad, '-Syu foo' seems ugly in this situation and '-S foo' is good.
Ledti did fix it a bit but you can make it even better by removing the unnecessary elements, something he probably didn't think of.
I suggest changing those 'Syu' to '-S' so it's not a revert but an edit. -- Karol 16:08, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
I disagree: support for Template:Codeline was only recently added. I think all wiki articles should be updated such that the first or primary installation line uses -Syu rather than just -S. Yes, people should know to update first, but users running outdated systems is invariably one of the most common causes of trouble. -- pointone 16:19, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
So this would be a "sneaky" way to update distracted users' systems? :) Don't get me wrong, I perfectly understand, I'm not criticizing, it's just I don't think it is so KISS... If you make this new procedure official, should we start an edit campaign to change all -S into -Syu? -- Kynikos 16:32, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
I don't think this is something that needs to be changed for the sake of change... I've only made it if I happen to be editing a page for another reason (and if I remember!) I won't make this "official" without a larger discussion. -- pointone 16:47, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
How do we start that "larger discussion"? IIRC there already was one on the ML around the time '-Syu foo' was introduced. I don't remember if '-Syu foo' vs. '-S foo' have been discussed too, I'll try to find it. -- Karol 16:56, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
It could be started on the forum: I would be interested in discussing and reaching an official decision, otherwise the wiki will start to have some articles with -S, and others with -Syu, and that will make things even messier, instead of solving problems. -- Kynikos 17:04, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
Just an example of how I would like it to be, only as a reminder for a future larger discussion. -- Kynikos 10:55, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

Flattening of the category tree

Would you be okay with the removal of Category:System administration (English) and Category:Desktop user's guide (English) as proposed here? I know you voiced your opposition to flattening in general, but I don't plan on removing the Software/Hardware categories because I think those are useful (even if they overlap a lot). thestinger 13:49, 7 September 2011 (EDT)

Actually, I think simply merging Desktop user's guide into System administration might be a good first step - flattening it will clutter the top-level English category a lot. thestinger 15:58, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
I'm perfectly fine with merging those categories, please do it, you're on a roll these days, I'm going crazy in the recent changes XD
I'm basically against a systematic flattening of the tree, I mean just done for the sake of it, or being the flattening itself the main purpose of the restructuring, but when there's a rational justification it's a good thing, like in this case.
-- Kynikos 05:59, 8 September 2011 (EDT)

Articles Categories

So I have explained to you why I have removed that article from the category command shells. Why do you think assigning an article to (almost) random category will help? Aroko 08:31, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

We were discussing this on your talk page, I have obviously answered there, as you should have expected. -- Kynikos 08:54, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
I have expected you will first update the discussion and only then revert my change. Aroko 10:06, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
You were the first one to uncategorize Commandline Tools without discussing in the first place. You are playing with fire. And sign your edits. -- Kynikos 09:05, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
So if you are telling me that an article being categorized somehow is better then an uncategorized article at all I can live with this. But I cannot live with your warnings about some fire while I haven't broken any existing official guidelines. Be there a rule articles must be categorized I will be first one to acknowledge my ignorance. So it seems a good idea to me to list such rules somewhere. It would be even better if articles can be checked against some of them on save page event. Aroko 10:06, 13 October 2011 (EDT)