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:: Of course I understand being corrected when I neglect to adhere to the guidelines, but sometimes the amendments do seem a bit over-critical. It has seemed at times as if it is being done of out irritation than anything else (as apparently evidenced by being called "usless"). Personally, I would rather just be told to go away if I am considered as being provocative in some way. [[User:Carlduff|Carlduff]] ([[User talk:Carlduff|talk]]) 17:01, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 
:: Of course I understand being corrected when I neglect to adhere to the guidelines, but sometimes the amendments do seem a bit over-critical. It has seemed at times as if it is being done of out irritation than anything else (as apparently evidenced by being called "usless"). Personally, I would rather just be told to go away if I am considered as being provocative in some way. [[User:Carlduff|Carlduff]] ([[User talk:Carlduff|talk]]) 17:01, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
  
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==<s> Stop </s>==
Lahwaacz, you appear to be trolling my edits. Please stop doing that.
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''[Moved to [[ArchWiki talk:Reports#User:Idomeneo1]]. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 02:40, 17 February 2014 (UTC)]''
 
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[[User:Idomeneo1|Idomeneo1]] ([[User talk:Idomeneo1|talk]]) 20:51, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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:# Commands like {{ic|systemctl enable ntpd}} do not belong into ArchWiki - see [[Help:Style#Daemon operations]]. The original wording was absolutely fine and compliant to the style guidelines.
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:# There is a fundamental difference in how the individual network managers use NTP: [[NetworkManager]] runs ''the daemon'' which stays running, whereas [[netctl]] and [[wicd]] synchronize only once.
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:# Why the hell is "Synchronize once per boot" under "Running as daemon"?
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:Reverting once again, sorry... Please do not edit articles outside your competence.
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:-- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 21:09, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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::That is the difference between "ntpd" and "ntpd -q". Either can be used with any network manager hook.
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::I will change "Running as daemon" to "Running under systemd". I will also spell out the difference between "ntpd" and "ntpd -q", even though that could be gotten from ''man ntpd''.
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::[[User:Idomeneo1|Idomeneo1]] ([[User talk:Idomeneo1|talk]]) 21:44, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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:::Is there any common case where "Running as daemon" != "Running under systemd" these days? The {{ic|ntpd-q}} command is described in [[Network_Time_Protocol_daemon#Using_without_daemon]], what exactly is missing there? I can only think of the link to the man page :P
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:::See also [[Help:Style#Hypertext metaphor]], even copying from man page might be considered as duplicating external resources.
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:::What exactly is your point here, to leave your trace on every bloody article on ArchWiki?!
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:::-- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 22:04, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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::::The problem is that you appear to be muddying the difference between daemon and one-shot, and yes, I did mention ''man ntpd'' to you.
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::::My "point" is to edit some of the more unreadable wiki articles, and improve them. As any editor does. I expect to be able to do that in a civil environment, and without being trolled.
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::::[[User:Idomeneo1|Idomeneo1]] ([[User talk:Idomeneo1|talk]]) 22:22, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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:::::I'm well aware of the one-shot service type, note that the {{ic|1=!=}} operator I used is not commutative. It was meant as "...where ''Running as daemon'' '''does not mean''' ''Running under systemd''" and '''not''' the other way round... And you did '''not''' mention the man page!
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:::::Unreadable is subjective. I find the [[Beginners' Guide]] being unreadable to me, even though I admit it contains correct information (until some first-time ArchWiki editor steps in and...). The point is to make ArchWiki readable for '''most''' of the readers, which is why I do not involve myself (much) in editing the Beginners' Guide. It is obvious that some compromises are necessary, specifically, ArchWiki assumes that the reader is acquainted with [[Help:Reading]] &mdash; which you clearly did not read since my last "trolling" &mdash; and that the editor is at least willing to gradually improve his knowledge of the [[Help:Style]] guidelines. I will not read it for you, but some sections for the start:
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:::::* [[Help:Style#Daemon operations]]
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:::::* [[Help:Style#File editing requests]]
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:::::* [[Help:Style#Command line text]]
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:::::* again - the basic prerequisite is [[Help:Reading]]
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:::::The [[Network Time Protocol daemon]] page <s>is</s> '''was''' perfectly fine before, you did not do anything else than changing a [[Help:Style]]-complying article into a non-complying one. I'm afraid I'll have to revert it again...
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:::::-- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 22:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Right: "I will also spell out the difference between "ntpd" and "ntpd -q", even though that could be gotten from man ntpd."
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::::::You have not read my comments any more than you've read the edits you're reverting. You won't be happy with any edits.
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::::::That is not how a Wiki works.
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::::::[[User:Idomeneo1|Idomeneo1]] ([[User talk:Idomeneo1|talk]]) 23:05, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::That's about just enough, you're reported: [[ArchWiki_talk:Reports#User:Idomeneo1]]. We shall see what the others have to say. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 23:19, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::Guys, please, let's try to work together in ''peace'', ok? Discussing in this tone is only a waste of time for yourselves, and now also for me.
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::::::::@Idomeneo1: please understand that Lahwaacz is not trolling, he's an official Maintainer who does lots of edits everywhere, and in this case he's trying to keep the article compliant with our style guidelines. If an edit is modified, or even reverted, because of style issues, it's pointless to redo it exactly the same way as before, right? :) It will never end that way...
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::::::::We need to end this quarrel ''now'' and move back on to constructive collaboration, so I will take Idomeneo1's [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Network_Time_Protocol_daemon&diff=297951&oldid=297950 last edit] as the whole matter of dispute and explain in details why it doesn't improve the article:
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::::::::# Changing the {{ic|#}} prompt to {{ic|$ sudo}} is the opposite of what is recommended in [[Help:Style#Command_line_text]].
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::::::::# Giving basic ''systemctl'' examples conflicts with [[Help:Style#Daemon_operations]].
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::::::::# The title "Running as a daemon" is better than "Starting ntpd at boot" because:
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::::::::#* a daemon cannot only be started at boot
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::::::::#* the second title duplicates "ntpd" which is already the subject of the article
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::::::::# Idomeneo1's section structure loses the clear distinction between the two main uses of ntpd: daemon and oneshot. Leaving the distinction to be understood by the user only by the presence or absence of the -q option is clearly insufficient, and this is also proved by the need for a note in "Run at network connection" that duplicates - and links to - the introduction of "Using without daemon".
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::::::::Please accept this explanation, I will do the needed updates to the article, then please use that revision as a starting point for new, ''different'', edits, without restarting edit wars, otherwise I'll be forced to protect the page. Thank you ^^
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::::::::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 04:24, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
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Revision as of 02:40, 17 February 2014

Fork Bomb

Fork_Bomb: This new article worries me a bit, as it provides an example of how to do one. Carlduff (talk) 21:04, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

But it also contains some information regarding prevention, so I'm fine with its existence. I can't comment on the factual accuracy though. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 15:46, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Openbox

RE: Revision [1]

A dependency of Thunar is libxfce4ui. A sub-package of libxfce4ui is xfce4-about. For confirmation see: [2]. So I would not describe my work as being "useless" or "inaccurate". There are however many useless and inaccurate articles on this wiki, which seem to be ignored in favour of putting my contributions under a microscope instead.

OK, there has been a slight misunderstanding with the xfce4-about - it is not a (sub)package in Arch terms, I'd say it is a binary/executable that is part of libxfce4ui. I was looking for an Arch package under that name.
First of all, why recommend some application when the user is discouraged from installing it in next sentence? Also, I'd say that an average Arch user knows about the dependency chain, and checks which dependencies are installed if he cares.
You are not under a microscope, it just happened that Openbox is in my watchlist. Believe me that I check all pages from my watchlist equally. True, I don't check all new edits in Special:RecentChanges, that's just beyond my powers...
-- Lahwaacz (talk) 16:43, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
I am trying not to allow personal bias get too much in the way of contributions, which is why I listed a range of FMs without specifically recommending any of them, including those without their own wiki pages. A warning was placed about Thunar as although it is an excellent FM (I personally prefer SpaceFM), the exo and xfce4-about menu entries can irritate users like myself who want a "harmonious"-looking desktop. Experienced users would know this; I'm just trying to be helpful for others like myself who want to learn.
Of course I understand being corrected when I neglect to adhere to the guidelines, but sometimes the amendments do seem a bit over-critical. It has seemed at times as if it is being done of out irritation than anything else (as apparently evidenced by being called "usless"). Personally, I would rather just be told to go away if I am considered as being provocative in some way. Carlduff (talk) 17:01, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Stop

[Moved to ArchWiki talk:Reports#User:Idomeneo1. -- Kynikos (talk) 02:40, 17 February 2014 (UTC)]