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==Inspired by 'The Rise of ''Worse is Better'''?==
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== Openness and Freedom are missing ==
Can we add that it's inspired by http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html? -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] ([[User talk:Karol|talk]]) 21:03, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
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:Pardon my ignorance, but where/how did you find this reference? -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 15:00, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
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The ideals espoused in the v1.0 [[The_Arch_Way#Openness|Openness]] and [[The_Arch_Way#Freedom|Freedom]] are missing from this version. These are principals of what Arch is and I believe it is a bug to omit them. What is this v2.0 for anyway? Is there some other place a discussion of this is taking place? --[[User:EnigmaCurry|EnigmaCurry]] ([[User talk:EnigmaCurry|talk]]) 00:09, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
::I remembered reading this article years ago when I was familiarizing myself with who's who of computing. I googled 'Worse is better', found out [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worse_is_better there's even a Wikipedia article about it], picked the link to Jamie Zawinski website and here it is :-)
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:The main author is [[User:Misfit138|a wiki admin]] and I guess it's his take on the Arch way. -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] ([[User talk:Karol|talk]]) 04:03, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
::I think the way 'The Arch Way v2.0' is written closely resembles 'The Rise of "Worse is Better"' and since it was written later, I assume it could have been inspired by it.
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::-- [[User:Karol|Karol]] ([[User talk:Karol|talk]]) 07:08, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
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== Deletion/merge request ==
:::Cool, thanks for explaining, maybe we can add:
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This entire article is stupid. Random users shouldn't be allowed to just make up new philosophies and then lock the main article with links to this drivel. (Quoting clever people does not make you witty or intelligent.)[[User:Earnest|Earnest]] ([[User talk:Earnest|talk]]) 23:46, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
::::''Inspired by [http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html The Rise of "Worse is Better"].''
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:Supporting your ideas with words like "stupid", "random users", "drivel" doesn't make you "witty or intelligent" either, more the opposite I'd say. '''Flaming is not allowed here''' so please rewrite your post using a respectful language. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 13:50, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
:::at the top, before the ToC?
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::Remove the link to this article from the "The Arch Way" article please or unlock it so we can make up new ideas about arch and link to our random articles.  Thanks. [[User:Earnest|Earnest]] ([[User talk:Earnest|talk]]) 14:28, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
:::An alternative would be a See also section I guess, but for some reason I like it less.
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:::I agree that having two The Arch Way articles is confusing and unneeded, and not simple at all. I've moved this article under Misfit138's user page, and marked all its translations for deletion. -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 07:16, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
:::-- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 12:22, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
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::::This is a case of one "making a reply before hearing the matter". The Arch Wayv2.0 was in fact originally to be a collaborative effort, inspired by another user and in harmony with the "worse is better vs. MIT approach". Unfortunately, the user who urged me to start the wiki page disappeared from my radar screen, the page was largely abandoned and the concepts were never merged into v1.0, nor did they replace the originals. That page was not locked by me ever, or in recent memory at least. I do see that it was recently locked, due to "vandalism", by another admin. Earnest, it is true that I, like many other Arch "old timer" admins have moved on to other things, but have some respect, please. [[User:Misfit138|Misfit138]] ([[User talk:Misfit138|talk]]) 21:11, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
::::I like it better at the top too. I found a non-pdf version of this text on Richard Gabriel's website, so I think we should use [http://dreamsongs.com/RiseOfWorseIsBetter.html this link] rather than the one I originally posted. -- [[User:Karol|Karol]] ([[User talk:Karol|talk]]) 06:01, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
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:::::Yeah, beautiful, maybe you want to add it since the idea is yours? ^^ -- [[User:Kynikos|Kynikos]] ([[User talk:Kynikos|talk]]) 14:05, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 21:11, 28 July 2013

Openness and Freedom are missing

The ideals espoused in the v1.0 Openness and Freedom are missing from this version. These are principals of what Arch is and I believe it is a bug to omit them. What is this v2.0 for anyway? Is there some other place a discussion of this is taking place? --EnigmaCurry (talk) 00:09, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

The main author is a wiki admin and I guess it's his take on the Arch way. -- Karol (talk) 04:03, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Deletion/merge request

This entire article is stupid. Random users shouldn't be allowed to just make up new philosophies and then lock the main article with links to this drivel. (Quoting clever people does not make you witty or intelligent.)Earnest (talk) 23:46, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Supporting your ideas with words like "stupid", "random users", "drivel" doesn't make you "witty or intelligent" either, more the opposite I'd say. Flaming is not allowed here so please rewrite your post using a respectful language. -- Kynikos (talk) 13:50, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Remove the link to this article from the "The Arch Way" article please or unlock it so we can make up new ideas about arch and link to our random articles. Thanks. Earnest (talk) 14:28, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
I agree that having two The Arch Way articles is confusing and unneeded, and not simple at all. I've moved this article under Misfit138's user page, and marked all its translations for deletion. -- Kynikos (talk) 07:16, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
This is a case of one "making a reply before hearing the matter". The Arch Wayv2.0 was in fact originally to be a collaborative effort, inspired by another user and in harmony with the "worse is better vs. MIT approach". Unfortunately, the user who urged me to start the wiki page disappeared from my radar screen, the page was largely abandoned and the concepts were never merged into v1.0, nor did they replace the originals. That page was not locked by me ever, or in recent memory at least. I do see that it was recently locked, due to "vandalism", by another admin. Earnest, it is true that I, like many other Arch "old timer" admins have moved on to other things, but have some respect, please. Misfit138 (talk) 21:11, 28 July 2013 (UTC)