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== Editing talk pages ==
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Never say never!
  
I think there has been a misunderstanding regarding your recent edits: [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:DenyHosts&diff=275692&oldid=275008], [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AWireless_Setup&diff=275691&oldid=275523]. I think that you visited the history of those pages, found your edits and clicked ''edit'', right? Newer edits have been done since your last edit, and those edits were undone, because you edited an old revision of the page.
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== Editing Fonts wiki page brings up style question ==
  
This is why you should never edit an old revision, unless you know exactly what you are doing (see also [[Help:Style#Discussion_pages]]):
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    "Also you may need to update your Xorg configuration files (e.g. /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/xorg.conf) with the new directory. Search for FontPath to find the correct location within the files to add your new path. See #Fonts with X.Org for more detail." [1]
# '''Never''' remove other people's posts, unless of course removing properly closed discussion (like in [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Wireless_Setup&diff=prev&oldid=275280]).
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# Do not edit your posts if somebody has already replied.
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I'll have to undo those edits, please express yourself in a regular reply. (The reference to [[Help:Style]] from [https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Wireless_Setup&diff=275279&oldid=275273] was meant for your future edits.)
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In this paragraph, the user is directed to edit their xorg.conf file with the actual font path. In this context of fonts and X11 the reader is brought to a context of a complex system of files and directories. Fonts may be placed in at least two locations by the information on this page. Xorg manages many other resources and loads conf directives from different files. In other words we're not talking about, say, a user's application with resource files just in the user's home director under a dot file.  
  
-- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 17:26, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
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Therefore, given this context, the action word "search" has an ambiguous meaning which could refer to searching for files or directories such as "fonts.dir" (an index file used by X.org to find font files).
  
:I must first say this feels ''weird'' to have a discussion on my "User talk:Xtian" page.
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The meaning is easy enough to understand: upon opening the xorg.conf file do a text document search for "FontPath"; however, this is not common documentation reference. Here is an example from X.org's Fonts documentation.
  
:While I'm sure I did not visit history, its certainly possible we edited the same page within minutes (9/16). Its very possible I edited a tab rather than reloading the page (>_<) I will be more careful in the future.
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    "It is computed by appending all the directories mentioned in the “FontPath” entries of the “Files” section in the order in which they appear." [2]
  
:As to the remark of 'some wireless driver's not requiring firmware' that's not me. In fact this is the reason for the discussion as I stated in the talk page, precisely because I don't know how dmesg reports other system hardware as a rule.  
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While its useful to give quick advice to readers such as find the FontPath, and by the way the easiest way to do this is a text search--don't you know--its somewhat misleading. This is never more the case than when referencing some line about some app which needs to find some needle in the haystack. There's always one more thing, one more file, one more way to do something. Its bad enough that every Arch wiki page on an app like X11 must assume "your own installation may be different".
  
:I included the BBS page--while it doesn't represent the same ''case''--because it does represent quite well a diagnosis. And while the diagnosis is thorough, it nonetheless pulls the device driver name out of thin air. Yet, an earlier diagnosis step does identify the device driver. To include a '''back''' reference to this step seemed like a logical document fix.
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[1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font#Manual_installation
:[[User:Xtian|Xtian]] ([[User talk:Xtian|talk]]) 23:37, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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[2]: http://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.7/doc/xorg-docs/fonts/fonts.html
 
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[[User:Xtian|Xtian]] ([[User talk:Xtian|talk]]) 23:15, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
::Editing old tab could indeed cause this problem, be more careful next time. -- [[User:Lahwaacz|Lahwaacz]] ([[User talk:Lahwaacz|talk]]) 16:54, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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Revision as of 23:15, 26 September 2013

Never say never!

Editing Fonts wiki page brings up style question

    "Also you may need to update your Xorg configuration files (e.g. /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/xorg.conf) with the new directory. Search for FontPath to find the correct location within the files to add your new path. See #Fonts with X.Org for more detail." [1]

In this paragraph, the user is directed to edit their xorg.conf file with the actual font path. In this context of fonts and X11 the reader is brought to a context of a complex system of files and directories. Fonts may be placed in at least two locations by the information on this page. Xorg manages many other resources and loads conf directives from different files. In other words we're not talking about, say, a user's application with resource files just in the user's home director under a dot file.

Therefore, given this context, the action word "search" has an ambiguous meaning which could refer to searching for files or directories such as "fonts.dir" (an index file used by X.org to find font files).

The meaning is easy enough to understand: upon opening the xorg.conf file do a text document search for "FontPath"; however, this is not common documentation reference. Here is an example from X.org's Fonts documentation.

    "It is computed by appending all the directories mentioned in the “FontPath” entries of the “Files” section in the order in which they appear." [2]

While its useful to give quick advice to readers such as find the FontPath, and by the way the easiest way to do this is a text search--don't you know--its somewhat misleading. This is never more the case than when referencing some line about some app which needs to find some needle in the haystack. There's always one more thing, one more file, one more way to do something. Its bad enough that every Arch wiki page on an app like X11 must assume "your own installation may be different".


[1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font#Manual_installation [2]: http://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.7/doc/xorg-docs/fonts/fonts.html Xtian (talk) 23:15, 26 September 2013 (UTC)