Talk:System76 Oryx Pro
Latest comment: 16 March by Sweyn78
@User:Erus Iluvatar: Is it possible to retitle this article to be "System76 Oryx Pro (versions 6/7/8)", or something along those lines? (not sure what Arch Wiki's standard is for how to specify version info in laptop article titles) The new Oryx Pros have a different chassis, motherboard, etc; and so are essentially different computers sharing the same name. Accordingly, I would think it's probably best to put documentation for the newer Oryx Pros into a different article. -- Sweyn78 (talk) 21:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see anything in Help:Laptop page guidelines#General, but the general formula that seems to have emerged is indeed appending the version (e.g. what's done in Category:Lenovo and Category:Dell).
- From what I can see from System76, their naming is oryp6, oryp7, oryp8: do we want to mimic that? I.e. System76 Oryx Pro (oryp6/7/8)?
- Do you want me to move the page without leaving a redirect, to avoid people getting sent to the older page when a newer one is created? Erus Iluvatar (talk) 06:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the "oryp#" identifiers you've noted are indeed the model numbers, so they should be used.
- I'd like to try to avoid the name becoming too overly wordy, but there's value in specifying "oryp6, oryp7, oryp8" for SEO. I'm not really sure what the best way to do this is. Your proposal makes sense to me at least.
- Regarding the redirect: Maybe make a disambig page, with a redlink for oryp9/oryp10, and a redlink for oryp11? That will direct people interested in creating those articles to the exact right titles, and it will help people who bookmarked the current title to find the current article (where deleting would not).
- -- Sweyn78 (talk) 19:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- We're trying to get rid of disambiguation pages :/
- There's only four models listed in Category:System76 for now: IMO as long as there's not a large amount of content, having System76 Oryx Pro redirect to a (to be created) Laptop/Other#System76 section would be the closest equivalent?
- -- Erus Iluvatar (talk) 06:44, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I see! That works, though. Good idea. Though, if we're going to have a Laptop/System76 article (as per below), we might as well list them in there instead. -- Sweyn78 (talk) 06:52, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, IMO these are two options to pick from, but they are mutually exclusive :)
- -- Erus Iluvatar (talk) 09:15, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oh -- we can't have both an overarching page *and* model-specific pages? -- Sweyn78 (talk) 19:27, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- I probably worded my answer poorly: we have no reason to have Laptop/System76 and Laptop/Other#System76. Erus Iluvatar (talk) 20:32, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ah! I see. Yes, of course, that's what I meant originally: We might as well do Laptop/System76 instead of Laptop/Other#System76, since we're also moving System76-wide info there. -- Sweyn78 (talk) 20:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- I probably worded my answer poorly: we have no reason to have Laptop/System76 and Laptop/Other#System76. Erus Iluvatar (talk) 20:32, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oh -- we can't have both an overarching page *and* model-specific pages? -- Sweyn78 (talk) 19:27, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I see! That works, though. Good idea. Though, if we're going to have a Laptop/System76 article (as per below), we might as well list them in there instead. -- Sweyn78 (talk) 06:52, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Part of me is concerned around duplication of knowledge between multiple Oryx Pro articles; but the stuff that is the same between them is largely the same between all System76 laptops; so we might should consider moving the shared stuff into a "System76 laptops" article, and having pages about specific laptops only cover the stuff that is specific to them. -- Sweyn78 (talk) 19:56, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's an option too, if there's enough content for it we can totally make Laptop/System76 a thing :)
- -- Erus Iluvatar (talk) 06:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- That works! I notice that there's not really a coherent standard structure for the other Laptop/* articles, beyond the model tables. Does that mean I can pretty much structure the rest of it however? If so, that's good, because it will make it easier to do, since theoretically, sections like Firmware and such can be moved entirely out of this article and into the shared System76 article (and kept essentially as-is), since this stuff is the same for all of System76's CoreBoot laptops (which has been all new ones for a good while). If this is done, what should remain in this article? Should/can I use section transclusion? Should I just have an otherwise empty section linking to the parent article? Other? -- Sweyn78 (talk) 06:52, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, for now there are no hard set of rules for vendor laptop pages. IMO if there's enough common items from all the System76 individual laptop pages, maybe taking some inspiration from Help:Laptop page guidelines might help the structure?
- As for transclusion, we prefer linking to content (see Help:Style#Hypertext metaphor) so having a "stub" section with only a link would be completely fine :)
- -- Erus Iluvatar (talk) 09:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- That works! I notice that there's not really a coherent standard structure for the other Laptop/* articles, beyond the model tables. Does that mean I can pretty much structure the rest of it however? If so, that's good, because it will make it easier to do, since theoretically, sections like Firmware and such can be moved entirely out of this article and into the shared System76 article (and kept essentially as-is), since this stuff is the same for all of System76's CoreBoot laptops (which has been all new ones for a good while). If this is done, what should remain in this article? Should/can I use section transclusion? Should I just have an otherwise empty section linking to the parent article? Other? -- Sweyn78 (talk) 06:52, 16 March 2024 (UTC)