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Latest comment: Yesterday at 11:58 by C0rn3j in topic VCS revert

bot checking links after move

Hi, re Talk:Touchpad Synaptics#adding libinput alternative. Touchpad Synaptics has 100+ backlinks and the more important ones - a bit tedious task. I was just glancing over your clever github bot scripts. It would be handy to have a script after such moves: walk over the backlinks of Touchpad Synaptics and just replace "[[Touchpad Synaptics" with "[[Synaptics" from the links. That would leave all links to subsections intact. Leaving out the translations to handle manually, there would not be much to go wrong, or? --Indigo (talk) 07:36, 26 September 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, thanks for the suggestion. It would be indeed handy in this case, but most likely not generally. Imagine that there was a UUID page, which was later generalized and renamed to Persistent block device naming and content about UUID is now only a section on the page. In this case using the naive replacement would likely change the meaning of many sentences, and using shorter redirects for convenience is actually encouraged. There would have to be a list of whitelisted "harmless" replacements, which could even help to replace [[pacman|Install]] with [[Install]] etc. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 08:01, 26 September 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, good examples, but you are thinking universal already :) I did not mean it could be that. For example, if you take the time when the bulk of the title case moves were done. With such a script one could avoid a lot of internal redirects as well. E.g. [1]. But it's ok, just an idea. Please close this, if you think it's too singular cases with a simple enough replacement where it could be applied. --Indigo (talk) 10:02, 26 September 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi, about your revert: You can use mkosi also to create a container/directory tree (-t directory). So it can do the same and more. -- Nudin (talk) 11:33, 1 October 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Alright, how is the "more" relevant to systemd-nspawn though? -- Lahwaacz (talk) 17:30, 3 October 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, mkosi let's you create images (or directory trees) of various different distributions and allows you to do things like setting the root-password or installing additional packages. systemd-nspawn alows you to boot such images/directory trees. So I thought mentioning mkosi as alternative to manually creating a container with pacstrap or debootstrap would be worth it. -- Nudin (talk) 22:23, 5 October 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Waking from suspend with USB device

Hi Lahwaacz, thanks for your input on this topic. Can you help me a bit further, I know the USB host controller and the USB device are different things but I thought that enabling the host controller was not necessary anymore, see [2]. In my case all the driver/*/power/wakeup are all enabled by default and the /proc/acpi/wakeup as well. Anyway I have added a step in my explanations to identify the path awaiting for more clarity.

Kewl (talk) 21:57, 16 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, thanks for the link, it's entirely possible that something changed since the section was written. However, in my case only the keyboard device has wakeup enabled by default:
$ for f in /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/*/power/wakeup; do echo "$f: $(cat $f)"; done
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/1-1/power/wakeup: disabled
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/2-1/power/wakeup: disabled
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/3-11/power/wakeup: disabled
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/3-12/power/wakeup: enabled
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/3-13/power/wakeup: disabled
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/4-3/power/wakeup: disabled
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/4-4/power/wakeup: disabled
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/usb1/power/wakeup: disabled
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/usb2/power/wakeup: disabled
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/usb3/power/wakeup: disabled
/sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb/usb4/power/wakeup: disabled
But in practice it seems to wake up the system even without the host controllers enabled for wakeup... It might also depend on some BIOS/firmware settings but if it works by default on most systems then I think the host controller settings could be removed again.
-- Lahwaacz (talk) 19:14, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Are supported local/remote destinations important for choosing a backup program?

You reverted my edit adding supported backup destinations to Synchronization_and_backup_programs. This is puzzling to me. Here are some thoughts:

  • if choosing any backup program, the ability to send the backup off-site vs only on a local disk is a key feature consideration. Perhaps *the* key feature: one helps me recover in case my house gets burglarized or burns down, and the other does not. This is a much more important feature consideration than, say, whether the program is written in Go or Mono (something that has a full column). I think it's hard to disagree on that.
  • Given this, I am very puzzled you would use the term "useless" in the revert message.
  • I assume you didn't like that the table got even bigger (it didn't fit into the layout even before). I don't like it either, but perhaps the revert should have said "can you put this somewhere else, not in this already-too-big table?"
  • On a personal note, when I provide feedback or give opinion on somebody else's work, I'd like to be constructive and kind, instead of aggressive and putting people down. Just a thought. Thanks for listening.

Jernst (talk) 17:38, 11 June 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No because you can use any remote back-end with any backup application by just running one command / writing the backups to a FUSE (if available).--Larivact (talk) 04:39, 12 June 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hmm, by that reasoning we don't need the Arch package repository, as long as we have source code and makepkg. Or Perl, if we have bash and awk. But even then, and if all the fuse backends existed (I doubt they do), and if it were easy to set all of them up (another thing I doubt), do you indeed believe that running something written to read/write local files will be just as efficient backing up gigabytes of data to a remote repository as something that is specifically optimized for that use case? Note that backing up, say, daily, a typical hard drive via tpyical consumer broadband is still quite a bandwidth challenge in many places today. What about we add this info, and remove (or merge) some other columns to make the table smaller? —This unsigned comment is by Jernst (talk) 18:08, 12 June 2018‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
Your comparisons don't make sense. Mind the slash in my response, you do not need a FUSE implementation, a simple CLI suffices. You do not need to "set all of them up", you only need one. --Larivact (talk) 18:47, 12 June 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you ever attempt to help a normal user set up a reliably-working off-site backup strategy, think of this discussion. In the meantime, this is all the time I'm going to spend on a discussion that has such repeated gems in it as "makes no sense" without explaining why you think so. Have a nice day. Jernst (talk) 18:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The pip section in Python package guidelines

Hi, you wanted the warning about using pip or wheels restored but accidentally(?) reverted my whole set of changes. I redid them, leaving the warning in place. – flying sheep 08:17, 8 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Full revert was intentional, because the "wheel" section is not a full replacement for "pip" because there are packages which don't provide wheel files. As I said in the edit summary, there is no reason to recommend one or the other due to the warning. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 19:21, 8 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That still doesn’t explain why you reverted the first part, that had nothing to do with the pip/wheel section and simple improves the URLs. I restored that one while we’re discussing the pip/wheel section. And about that: There’s no reason to use pip for anything else, and pip is only used because some people (me included) didn’t understand that you can install most wheels by just extracting them to the correct location. So what do you think is missing from my wheels section that the former pip section had? – flying sheep 11:41, 11 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you didn't notice, the page includes "guidelines" in the title. So the page should contain only common and recommended ways to do things, not everything that is possible to do. If you think that your way to install "wheels" should be followed by everybody, feel free to discuss it on the talk page. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 13:26, 11 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, extracting static archives sounds much more recommended than running pip with like 7 options to make it behave. I added a talk item: Talk:Python package guidelines#Remove_pip_section_in_favor_of_wheels_section?flying sheep


Regarding, one person ran into this problem in March of this year and spent too much time diagnosing it:

It took me a few days to find the problem. I want to make sure the next time someone encounters it, they easily find relevant information about what the cause is. Since you've reverted my edits to both netctl and wpa_supplicant, what do you suggest?


Pooryorick (talk) 08:24, 18 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello. :) I'm here to address a recent disagreement. I noticed a reversion of my edit regarding the F2FS filesystem, in particular regarding the configuration file to edit (with you representing /boot/grub/grub.cfg and me representing /etc/default/grub). I run F2FS on my daily driver with an encrypted root filesystem and encrypted boot on a separate partition, and have never had to touch grub.cfg. I only automatically generate it. It's possible to use either, but /etc/default/grub would make more sense as a recommendation in my mind because grub.cfg has the potential to be overwritten during updates, whereas /etc/default/grub doesn't.

If there's a compelling reason to use grub.cfg over /etc/default/grub, please let me know. ^^ I'm always eager to learn more about Arch. I don't want to get in a reversion war so I've left your change untouched for the time being.

Eurydice (talk) 00:17, 8 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The reason is explained in the section: "If GRUB is used with an unsupported filesystem it is not able to extract the UUID of your drive so it uses classic non-persistent /dev/sdXx names instead." If it does not apply to F2FS, it should be made clear. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 06:29, 8 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You can specify UUID's in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub, so my proposed solution would work for F2FS and other unsupported filesystems, without the burden of manually editing grub.cfg. If there's anything I need to clarify or something else I'm missing, just let me know. :) Eurydice (talk) 19:37, 8 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The root= parameter is not supposed to be in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT, regardless if UUID is used or not. grub-mkconfig automatically detects the root filesystem and adds the appropriate root= parameter based on GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID. In any case, your change to the paragraph does not make sense. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 20:02, 8 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It could simply be because I use full disk encryption, and adding a kernel parameter for the encrypted disk's UUID is correct in that situation. You're more experienced with contributing to the wiki, so I guess I'll defer to your judgment. It felt like a reasonable edit and solution to me and I don't see the downside to including it in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT. Eurydice (talk) 05:38, 9 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

dracut executable link

Hello, your last edit on the dracut page ( that undid my 'Link to direct "make executable" section for executable link' commit states: "the redirect executable points exactly to that section", but it doesn't. Following the executable link just points to the top of the Help:Reading page.

—This unsigned comment is by Krathalan (talk) 17:06, 28 January 2020‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

In that case your browser probably does not work correctly, because the redirect really points to the section. Or MediaWiki, there was a bug several years ago... -- Lahwaacz (talk) 19:41, 28 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
How strange... thanks for pointing that out. It does indeed appear to be some issue with my Firefox configuration. Krathalan (talk) 19:51, 28 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Getting install.php work in DokuWiki

Hi, than you for having undone my contribution and pointed to the right solution on Dokuwiki#Configuration. Indeed I had read this solution before, but I was misled by the condition "if you are using lighttpd or nginx and your PHP version is lower than 7": as I use Apache with php v. 7.4.3 I didn't take it into account. Do you know what a correct rephrasing could be? Maybe it should be deleted?

Also, I think that, at the end of this same section, one should add something like "verify that php-gd is installed and restart php-fpm.service".

Naturally I can do it myself, but I prefer to ask before. BDumont (talk) 17:31, 19 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, apparently it depends on whether you had open_basedir set previously or not. I've changed the page, feel free to update the gd extension. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 21:16, 19 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you! However, while, I didn't have open_basedir set previously, I couldn't access install.php. I suspect there is another thing to do, since the configuration editor in DokuWiki complains that it cannot modify the configuration files although ownership and permissions are correctly set for the relevant symlinks, directories and files, and so is open_basedir. However I can edit my pages. Maybe a return from a new user with a fresh installation would be more useful, though. BDumont (talk) 08:20, 20 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Double linefeed results in extra line

If you look at templates that end with double linefeed before noinclude this would result in extra line in resulting page.

It may be a minor point but since you are perfectionist about wikitext I should mention this is a tradeoff and it results in slightly worse result.

Removing just one linefeed removes the problem while still allowing it to not jumble all the tags into same line.

-- Svito (talk) 16:30, 11 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If this is about [3], the spaces I added back are not included when the template is used elsewhere, because the spaces are inside the noinclude tags. The extra space is only on the template page itself, but it does not result from template inclusion. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 20:41, 11 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OFC, I mean the template page render has extra line. -- Svito (talk) 21:21, 11 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree with Svito, isn't it good to delete the extra blank lines? -- Blackteahamburger (talk) 05:39, 12 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, let's do it. [4] -- Lahwaacz (talk) 16:47, 26 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Automatic template correction

Per Help:Template#Style, templates should be used with the capitalization shown in the examples in their pages, so {{AUR|... is correct, while {{aur|... is not.

However, there are pages that don't respect that rule (e.g. Android_Debug_Bridge until recently).

I beleive this correction should be easy to implement using a bot. What do you think?

—This unsigned comment is by Relrel (talk) 07:24, 25 August 2020‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Yes, this should be easy, but the bot should not make a huge amount of simple style-only changes - they should be combined with corrections for more complex rules. Anyway, there is an idea to create a style linter for the ArchWiki rules. Would you like to help? ;-) – Lahwaacz (talk) 09:21, 25 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Failed to create tun device

I don't understand your reason for [removing my section in NetworkManager]. Could you elaborate?--Egils (talk) 07:40, 11 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You can't use systemd-networkd and NetworkManager at the same time. Even if you don't have any .network file for systemd-networkd, you can't solve NetworkManager's problems with systemd-networkd. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 07:43, 11 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok, thanks, in this case it solved the error I got. Now the VPN works. Do you have an idea about how to solve it without systemd-networkd?--Egils (talk) 22:27, 11 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You should really fix the permission problem for networkmanager-openvpn. The tun interface should be managed by OpenVPN which needs rights to create it. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 06:37, 12 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think this statement is entirely correct. systemd-networkd and NetworkManager can happily co-exist together if they are managing different interfaces. I unfortunately don't have a reference to point to this, but I came across this being mentioned a couple of times on forums. I personally use NetworkManager on my laptop to handle wifi, while systemd-networkd is in control of virtual ethernet and bridges for all my systemd-nspawn instances. Romstor (talk) 03:24, 12 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Readability in Wiki

I noticed that you and the other admins and moderators often want sentences to continue endlessly, without line breaks. For example in the introduction of Wayland.

I think it would be better to have more seperated sentences, so it is easier to read and "important" information is easier visible for people. I don't know who is responsible, but maybe some options in MediaWiki (or whatever this wiki software is) could be changed as well, to make make line breaks etc. easier and reduce the height-space (if you know what I mean) between sentences, so it looks better, even though line breaks are used.

G3ro (talk) 14:38, 15 October 2020 (UTC) G3roReply[reply]

I don't know exactly what you mean. Is it about the readability of the rendered HTML or the "source code" of the page? -- Lahwaacz (talk) 19:15, 15 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well I guess it can be about both. But mainly it is about what people see on the page.
There are three seperate topics I mentioned:
1. Use line breaks: I would like to use more line breaks, because if you have long sentences that are written after each other without line breaks, it gets "harder" to recognize when the next sentence starts.
While I agree to what you said somewhere, that sentences that belong directly together, should be written in one "paragraph", it would be useful for sentences that cover (slightly) different "topics" to be visibly parted.
2. Adjust margin options: I notice that when line breaks are used, there is a vertical space added between two sentences. Just like in this post. If you would use line breaks more often, this is a little too much spacing in my oppinion.
3. Potential options to make line breaks easier: It would be very convenient if a line break in the source code would lead to a line break in displayed text as well, instead of needing to add an empty line.
G3ro (talk) 20:33, 15 October 2020 (UTC) G3roReply[reply]
OK, now I understand. I agree that splitting different topics usually improves legibility, but they should be split into separate paragraphs and not just by line breaks (e.g. using the <br> tags). Paragraphs are semantic units whereas line breaks inside a paragraph are usually typographic errors.
Also note that such splitting alone may not be enough to improve the text flow. For example, if we consider the intro for Wayland, the second sentence about XWayland would not constitute a good paragraph - it is just a plain statement and the new topic is not nicely introduced. Ideally, you'd split the topic and make some wording changes for the second paragraph.
As for the margin options, that is the difference between paragraph splitting and non-semantic line breaks. In my opinion, the styling is correct in this respect, as paragraphs should be discernible. You mentioned that you like line breaks to easily recognize where a sentence ends - but reading should be based on whole paragraphs, not sentences. There should be no reason to skip anything in the middle of a paragraph, otherwise it should be probably split into multiple paragraphs or otherwise rephrased.
If you find it hard to follow a long sentence horizontally on a wide screen, we might consider enforcing some maximum width for the whole content. I think the readability would be better, since there would be more top-to-bottom eye movement at the cost of left-to-right-and-back.
-- Lahwaacz (talk) 20:59, 15 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

SSHFS - systemd edit

The edit was removed because "there is no advantage over using fstab entries".

Is not only about the dis/advantages of the systemd option, is about that it is another possibility to achieve the task, that is why it was created in another level and the fstab section was left alone.

Reconsider the edit as it presents another option which people can use.

Garnica (talk) 16:22, 22 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There is no need to use anything else, fstab just works well enough. Configuring mounts with systemd services is not a good idea - it is much more bloated than fstab and not the right tool for it. If anything, a different type of systemd units should be used: systemd.mount(5). But creating the mount units manually is still pretty useless since everything can be configured in fstab and systemd will generate the unit for you. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 19:22, 22 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It is about the ability to use the user's .config file and all the proper options that are saved there. Also systemd gives the possibility to use different targets, so the user could mount it when an specific user logs in or when a graphical session starts. I could argue that bad a modification of fstab could lead to a system that doesnt boot, but such poorly configured systemd unit file just fails and the system is fine. Just give the user the information and let it decide what they can use depending on their use case. Garnica (talk) 08:08, 24 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You can configure systemd targets in fstab using the x-systemd.wanted-by and x-systemd.required-by options, there are also nofail and noauto options. Please read the systemd.mount(5) manual.
Using hosts from the user's .ssh/config is the only thing which is not possible with fstab, but this does not warrant using the wrong tool for the task. Simple copy the full user@hostname into fstab and you're done.
-- Lahwaacz (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Self-encrypting drives

Hi, I'd like to respectfully disagree with the rollback. It's specific to sedutil that with most commands you need to input /dev/nvme0 (when encrypting the device) but for the sleep commands it requires /dev/nvme0n1 or it fails with a very unspecific error (Error saving the password to the kernel errno = 25), as found out in the discussion

All in all I believe that it is important to keep this piece of information which was found out in a long discussion between the reporter and the developers. I ran into it and I believe many people may run into it, considering most of the new SSD will be NVMe. Best, Przemub (talk) 13:34, 28 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

OK, then it makes sense. But it should be probably explained before, not in the section about the sleep command. Also please add the link to the note as a reference. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 14:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nvidia Installation

The whole guide is unnecessary long and overcomplicated formulated. Shorter is better, most people will know their graphic card for example, so the determination etc. is only optional.

G3ro (talk) 20:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC) G3roReply[reply]

Moving some info to some other page and leaving a tip behind does not make it shorter, but harder to follow. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 20:36, 10 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

firefox zoom

"no reason to zoom manually, see HiDPI)" - fractional scaling doesn't work Ubone (talk) 02:38, 26 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That should be explained in HiDPI#Firefox anyway. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 10:48, 26 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
it's good to have this mentioned somewhere clearly so people know about it before they say "fonts on linux suck" Ubone (talk) 15:51, 29 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Intel GVT-g edits

Hello Lahwaacz,

I have noticed that you reverted one of the edits I have performed on Intel_GVT-g.

About this revert: Windows problems are out of scope

While I understand that the ArchWiki is about ArchLinux, this article in particular mentions Windows in the introduction, and already includes another troubleshooting point about Windows. The issue I have encountered with the black bars is somewhat common, as I have found other people discussing it online, and I really fail to see why not including this piece of information in this article would be better than including it.

Please, let me know your thoughts. If you think that the point can be improved, I will be happy to do that.


Wilcomir (talk) 09:14, 3 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, the existing section about a Windows problem is actually solved by configuring the Linux host. I think anything involving configuration or installation of programs in Windows is not appropriate for long troubleshooting sections. At most, they could be mentioned in a short reference to other sites which describe the problem in detail. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 10:34, 3 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Root on ZFS draft

Hi, I submitted a Root on ZFS draft to official doc repo.

In the draft, the following directories are separated from root filesystem:


Is this appropriate for Arch Linux? Or do you have any suggestion on the draft? Any comment is appreciated. M0p (talk) 01:28, 23 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: undo GRUB - Common installation errors

Concerning your undo of Add the error message `Could not prepare Boot variable: No space left on device`) Is there a better place to for this Information? One can find the solution in various forums, but I thought it could be helpful to have it in this wiki somewhere. ModProg (talk) 12:51, 25 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The error message is not specific to the /sys/fs/pstore/ filesystem (which does not even seem to be used by default on Arch...) Where did you find that? -- Lahwaacz (talk) 13:16, 25 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I did not find anything Arch specific, but this post about Debian helped: Post. I also found something about /sys/fs/efi/efivars/dump-* The problem is that the actual efi-partition does not seam to be the problem, there is more than 70% space left. If there is better information to guide the user in the right direction that wuld be more helpful. This is what I found worked, but I admit that I don't know much about how grub operates. ModProg (talk) 16:20, 25 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This wiki is Arch specific so old posts about Debian or Ubuntu do not apply. Even if they did, this is hardly a common installation problem. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 07:29, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know that, and would not have put it there if it didn't occur on my Arch Linux installation. If this is something that should not be documented in this wiki, I understand that. Is there any other place you would recommend? An issue for grub-install maybe? ModProg (talk) 22:24, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Removal of website link

Refers to this:

I don't understand why that has to be removed. The official website should be always worth a mention, even if it is somehow mentioned in the text already. G3ro (talk) 20:02, 28 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The "See also" section is for additional links, it is not intended as a collection of all links used on a page. Adding links which are clearly mentioned in the appropriate place only clutters the list. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 20:24, 28 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There are just three links and only one of them is really useful, the others could maybe even be removed as they link to old blog posts.
I can only repeat myself, that things don't always have to be made more complicated than necessary.
The official website is a central point which links to many more useful ressources, so it's one link for much information.
G3ro (talk) 20:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Install Arch Linux via Docker

(Undo revision 699881 by Oliver (talk) - installing arch-install-scripts does not get the image to "the same footing" as the archiso, even installing something for the first time is not an excuse to violate Help:Style#Package management instructions)

'the same footing' may be poor choice of wording maybe but it's also not false. You are in a SIMILAR place, not 'exactly identical to the dot' e.g. same footing

but 'installing something for the first time' is NOT what is going on here really. If we quote the style guide:

every Arch user should know pacman's article by memory

The thing is, this is NOT an Arch user yet. They have no idea what's going on, how to do stuff and just want to get started and installed. You can't expect _new_ not-yet-a user, to figure out everything in a daunting installation; by being a smart-bum about it. Yes, the style guide is completely correct on all other points. But I would think that this is the exception, rather then the rule. Help your new users a little. Introduce them gentle with open arms. From a 'first UX kind of way, this is horrible to treat your potentially new users.

Oliver (talk) 17:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We use the same convention on the Installation guide itself. They should read the pacman page to learn how to install packages as soon as possible, so why not right when they use it for the first time? There is a gentle link to "install" before the package name, so the clueless user will follow the link and learn something. They will not learn anything by copy-pasting a quick one-liner. — Lahwaacz (talk) 17:59, 26 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, you ARE right, however; this is the install guide (relatively speaking) Let them install the system first with a gentle nudge; THEN force them to learn stuff :p

Again, I understand the policy and the reasoning behind it very much so; but it's those first few steps that are the hardest. It's birds vs humans I suppose; birds throw their children out of their nests to teach them to fly (or die); Humans raise their children first in a more gentle manor. Is arch really the 'l337 fly or die, rtfm n00b' kind of distro? Oliver (talk) 18:25, 26 October 2021 (UTC) Btw, the big irony is, that I came back on editing this page, as I never finished my first installation when I started that page; and so I had to (again) look-up a lot of stuff, just to be in the 'oh yeah duh' kind of state; so I'm not just offering this suggestions because I think the user needs them, *I* even needed them :) and wanted to help my future self, to one of these days actually make the arch-transition :) (which you are not making any easier :p) Oliver (talk) 18:56, 26 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi, I saw you recently reverted my changes - could you help me understand why?

  • "the presentation is from low-level to high-level, without shortcuts" - why is that? Is that a policy here? Seems opposite to what readers would want: if high-level works for you, use it, if not, here is low-level
  • "these are in AUR helpers#Graphical" - I know this, but they're also graphical Pacman utilities, so why can't they also be in there?

Thank you :) Tme5 (talk) 15:36, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. The presentation in Network configuration#Network management is given by the steps in the introduction. It does not make sense to list network managers first and then how to check the network interface, for example.
As for the graphical helpers, anything that supports AUR belongs to the AUR helpers page, see [5].
Lahwaacz (talk) 06:58, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Network configuration/Wireless "Airplane mode"

Hi Lahwaacz, i see that you reverted a recent change, regarding what you though was airplane mode. The bug is more related to laptops that have a lid, it triggers airplane mode like behavior but doesn't really apply to only devices with airplane mode

—This unsigned comment is by PranshuTG (talk) 14:12, 5 December 2022. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

It does not apply to all, or even most laptops with a lid. You should specify which hardware exactly is affected by the issue. — Lahwaacz (talk) 21:23, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

partial reversion at Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Removing_unused_packages_(orphans)

Hi, I see that you took away the section where I spelled out the variant with ifne. You call it trivial and I get what you mean, but to me it was very handy to have this variant ready for copying into the command line. Would like to ask you to reconsider. Thanks Sebalis (talk) 21:07, 7 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

python package guideline: note about poetry


you reverted my change: I understand your reason (it is a closed issue and the comment is not very specific), but the bug/behaviour of poetry is really strange/odd. Please read this: I still find it useful to have a note about it.


Can you summarize what is the problem? Saying just "read this" or "be aware of this issue" is not specific, it does not attract attention and will be just ignored in most cases. — Lahwaacz (talk) 20:47, 25 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Response from kmille ( 26.02. 9:24) - sorry this talk/markdown is too confusing for me:

I don't fully understand the issue. If you install a dedicated version and download a tar file, there is no git repository in $srdir. poetry is looking for a git directory and doesn't find one. Then it goes up and finds the git repository of the PKDBUILD/Arch package. But I don't know why this breaks the build process. And I don't even know why `python -m build` calls poetry. The issue I linked gives a solution to the problem, but also does not make things clearer to me.

I think you should bring it up in the talk page or somewhere else outside the wiki to understand the real problem and discuss solutions. The page contains guidelines and vague workarounds don't fit there. — Lahwaacz (talk) 12:42, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fail2ban hardening revision

Would be interested to know why you reverted my change. If you see in the Talk:Fail2ban page another user was also seeing this lack of xtables.lock file. I asked on stackexchange and felt this was a self-contained solution.

—This unsigned comment is by Assumetrue (talk) 11:32, 18 March 2023. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

It is not merely a revert, read my edit summary. You can see the difference here. — Lahwaacz (talk) 16:08, 18 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Add example for block device identifier for efibootmgr

Hey there,

you reverted my change regarding the example of a valid entry for that otherwise unspecified placeholder. I know that my wording is not up to par with native speakers, but it would be nice if you could reword it instead of simply reverting my change.

After that revert, I stumbled upon the fact that multiple people already tried to add it after getting stuck at that step, so there is clearly a need for an example. Why do you keep removing it?

Greaka (talk) 14:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I did not "revert" your change, but replaced it with a link to Persistent block device naming#Kernel parameters. — Lahwaacz (talk) 06:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Installation instructions based on curl-to-sh pipes are not supported on this wiki.

I feel this rule needs to be looked at again by the moderation team since there are now multiple immutable distros that are Arch based and this method of installing software to the users home folder is used commonly to allow users to install software on those distros. I get that users of BlendOS probably don't need the help but it seems kinda short-sighted to disqualify SteamOS users from having available instructions on the wiki. Dungeonseeker (talk) 09:18, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Other distros are irrelevant, this wiki is for Arch Linux. See ArchWiki:Contributing#Non-Arch users. As for curl-to-sh pipes, they pose a security risk, because they execute unknown code and no distro can ever change that. — Lahwaacz (talk) 14:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, so do I need to remove the immutable section from Distrobox? — Dungeonseeker (talk) 14:46, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think that's the best solution. — Lahwaacz (talk) 20:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

About Zoom and pacmd

Hi, thanks for the clarification on the /usr/local/bin for custom scripts part, but I've already tested that pacmd list-sinks is the only command that need a translation and Zoom could fully function after a translate to pactl list sinks (Audio and recording is functioning normally), should I add that section back to troubleshooting? 'Cause as far as I'm concerned, this is the only way to circumvent the issue for now. Winslow (talk) 06:11, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

libpulse provides pactl. If pacmd was provided by libpulse rather than pulseaudio, this hack would not be necessary. Maybe you should submit a bug report if there isn't one already. — Lahwaacz (talk) 21:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But that's the issue here: pacmd is only provided by pulseaudio, which conflicts with PipeWire. There is already a bug report to pipewire-pulseaudio that pacmd is not provided(and binary pacmd simply doesn't work with pipewire-pulseaudio as it tries to connect to pulseaudio's daemon with a hard-coded socket address) as far as I'm concerned. As this issue exists for now, shouldn't this hack be provided at the Wiki? Winslow (talk) 21:53, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, please add it to the troubleshooting section with all the references, thanks. — Lahwaacz (talk) 05:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Network configuration edit


You reversed my edit in the network configuration pages ( because you stated it was out of scope and tlsv1.0 is insecure

I disagree on the first part, many people I know, I first have struggled to configure eduroam on archlinux and this place seems the best fitted

On the second part, I agree tlsv1.0 is outdated and insecure, sadly it's the one used in some schools Ultraxime (talk) 17:11, 4 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Systemd/User edit

Hi. maybe you can word my warning there better:

My point is that with systemd you have two options with processes started under the user slice: either you tell systemd to kill them regardless of data loss on logout (i.e. it won't respect SIGTERM+TIME+SIGKILL, and instead does SIGTERM+SIGKILL by silly design) or you have them lingering forever preventing you from shutdown. Anyway, i think that is a very important description that people should be aware. Specially since the data-loss-for-faster-shutdown is the insane default. Gcb (talk) 21:08, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, I don't see the need. There is no data loss by default, since KillUserProcesses=no by default on Arch. And when users set it to yes, the term kill implies possible data loss by definition. I think you should look into how your desktop environment/window manager terminates its started applications/processes before ending the session. The KillUserProcesses option in systemd is intended as a last measure to ensure a clean system after logout, it is not a full session manager. — Lahwaacz (talk) 20:54, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

LibreOffice change UI font size

I weighted on whether to delete the section that talks about change font for the UI ( in the talk page (

But when I click on "Talk:LibreOffice" in the removal banner I'm redirected to the main Talk page, not to a specific section, so I'm not sure I did the right thing by creating a new section to talk about the issue.

Fhy (talk) 10:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, now you can add a link to the new discussion with the section= parameter of the template. See Template:Remove#Usage. — Lahwaacz (talk) 10:08, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Officially supported kernels revert

Regarding the refert:

While I confirm that the part regarding "that are not optimal on desktop" is my interpretation based on the actual configuration differences, I disagree on the removal of the reference to the issue. In my understanding, the "not a bug" is specific to the request to add the documentation to the lts kernel package itself. The maintainer specifically suggests a wiki edit to add that documentation in the next sentence of his reply.

The actual change to the wiki page - the configuration options targeting usage in servers - was not reverted, I just want to make sure that it is okay to add the reference again before I make that change again. Is it okay to add the reference again?

—This unsigned comment is by BS86 (talk) 17:09, 24 February 2024. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

The linked issue does not contain any statement from the package maintainer regarding what each kernel is suitable for, so I don't see how you can use it as a reference on the wiki. — Lahwaacz (talk) 18:08, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

VCS revert

While the VCS page isn't about AUR, I feel that the short Note about not bumping up pkgver needlessly is still a welcome addition to it, and additionally linking to the AUR policy is a fine crosslink.

C0rn3j (talk) 15:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC) C0rn3j (talk) 15:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You can already link to the note in Arch User Repository#Flagging packages out-of-date. — Lahwaacz (talk) 16:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's exactly the note I linked, VCS package guidelines for AUR deserve such a footnote on this page.
Just today I went to link the VCS page to a friend confused about -git packages, only to again find out that's exactly the page that is missing any kind of mention about it.
Please reconsider. C0rn3j (talk) 11:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pipewire note

I understand you found an error in my note on the Pipewire article.

Why not correct or excise the error instead of removing the note? Pfdint (talk) 01:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Because I don't want the note at all. I've added a more general note about firmware to PipeWire#Audio. — Lahwaacz (talk) 09:46, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see you have added text mentioning possible extra steps. Let us hope that helps, thanks.
In the linked alsa section, it stipulates that sof-firmware has to do with newer models.
That may be where the error originated.
Would you like me to correct that page? Pfdint (talk) 14:36, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Which error do you mean? — Lahwaacz (talk) 17:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In revert description, I read "this is not related to newer machines"
On alsa page, I read "sof-firmware is required for some newer models"
During our exchange here, Erus has changed the content, however. Pfdint (talk) 04:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, so I think everything is resolved then? — Lahwaacz (talk) 06:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Backlight colord-brightness revert

Hi, the package colord-brightness now has an aur-package and I would like to ask, if i can add it again/you could revert your remove?

Or is there something else needed before it can be added here? Thanks in advance. Nikl (talk) 00:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, if there is an AUR package, it is ok to add it. Also please keep the list alphabetical. — Lahwaacz (talk) 10:25, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]