Talk:Arch-based distributions

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Excluded projects

Following projects are excluded since they were found to misuse the Arch Linux trademark:

  • 3du Arch, [1]
  • Arch Rescue Kit, [2]
  • Arch USB OS, [3]
  • Happy Hacking Linux, [4]
  • Reborn OS, [5]on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin
  • Zen Installer, [6] *2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS

If trademark misuse problems have been addressed since, please create a separate thread below.

-- ArchWiki:Maintenance Team

Read this first

  • Previous page history can be found at [7].
  • Sourceforge links are intentional, see [8].

-- The ArchWiki Administrators 15:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

I added history link previously on top of this page for some reason, which was later moved into this note, but its not that interesting to "read first" nowadays.
Sourceforge note has been incorporated at top of article with Special:Diff/530253. Previous discussion does not give that much extra information on that.
-- Svito (talk) 12:23, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Trademark infringements

I've removed the following projects from this article since they appear to misuse the Arch Linux trademark:

  • 3du Arch, [9]
  • ArchBang, [10], [11]
  • Arch Rescue Kit, [12]
  • Arch USB OS, [13]
  • ArchMan, [14]
  • ArchMerge, update
  • Arch Anywhere, update
  • Artix Linux
  • Happy Hacking Linux, [15]
  • Reborn OS, [16]on screenshots, *2017, previously Antergos Deepin
  • SwagArch
  • Zen Installer, [17] *2016, previously OBRevenge, Revenge OS

See [18] for the email I've sent on this regard to trademarks@archlinux.org. If I get a response that said distributions have authorization to use the Arch Linux trademark, they can be readded to this article. -- Alad (talk) 11:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Artix Linux[19] has now changed its tag-line from "Your Arch, your init" to "Your GNU/Linux, your init", and so, is no longer in violation of the TrademarkPolicy. The entry has been added back. —This unsigned comment is by Drumal (talk) 07:13, 30 September 2017‎. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
Thank you. -- Alad (talk) 17:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
I've sent an email to 3du Arch, ArchBang, and Happy Hacking Linux developers to address this issue on their part. At what point should I contact trademarks@archlinux.org, especially in more serious cases like Arch USB OS which may be possibly mistaken for official ISOs and be compromised? -- Svito (talk) 20:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Just send it to trademarks@ directly, it's their responsibility to deal with it. I guess you can CC the "developers" of the distros in question. -- Alad (talk) 22:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
ArchBang has now changed SourceForge page to use "based on Arch Linux" wording as well as clarified that trademarks belong to their respective owners on the forum description. Adding back the entry. -- Svito (talk) 14:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
I have copied the list of excluded projects to separate thread. This discussion is closed. -- Svito (talk) 12:30, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Archman Linux

We have removed the #archlinux chat room you claim to be a problem from our lists. We have already written archman information to etc/os-release. Now we have sent the os-release file to the usr/lib directory. Please re-add the distribution. Tell us if there's anything else. Thanks Tulliana (talk) 08:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

That is not enough. From [20]: "Archman Linux is Arch Linux? Yes Archman is Linux Arch Linux. [...]" The same claim is repeated all over your blog posts [21] and homepage [22]. You should also not advertise ArchWiki as the Archman documentation platform. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 11:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
As long as we have a dialogue, it's okay. We immediately correct the phrases you mentioned. If there are other pages, we will fix them. With these phrases, we aimed to express our love and love for Arch distribution. We are not malicious. Yours truly Tulliana (talk) 11:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
We scanned our project site and all our forums, and changed or deleted any offensive phrases. If anything is missing, we'll fix it. Best regards Tulliana (talk) 11:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Still not enough - the subtitle on your Turkish forums is still a direct trademark infringement, the Turkish version of your homepage hasn't changed since my last comment here and I'm sure many other texts I did not read use similar phrases. I don't think we will ever add Archman to our list, because it's not about "fixing" issues that we explicitly point out, but primarily about your overall attitude to our trademark policy. We don't have to have a dialogue, your request has been considered and denied. Let this be my last reply to this branch of discussion. -- Lahwaacz (talk) 16:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
I did not say we have to talk, I said it is more useful to have a dialogue. Can you tell me what's wrong with the forum homepage? Only our sponsor server is announced in the forum. I have also reviewed all the issues and I think there is no need to be disturbed. We deleted or changed all the things that could be a problem. We even rearranged the forum logo. The link you provided includes Turkish documentation and translations for Arch Linux and Manjaro Linux. We work as a team to support Turkey Arch and Manjaro years. It is not possible for the titles there to be a problem. You can examine them all..Obviously there are misunderstandings from language translation. I don't think we'll ever add Archman, it's really a fixed-minded approach. This last word is a biased approach. I have browsed the sites and forums of all arch based distributions, and they all have violations. Why were we the target. As base distribution, we have respect and love for Arch Linux. If there are disturbing things, we always fix them. Open source freedom software is a public service, and it wouldn't be nice for you to stop communicating with us. It does not match free software philosophy. I am not making a personal discussion with you. Why, you say this is my last word. I think we are mature people. We support Turkey Arch Linux community as a volunteer for many years. What we're talking about here is really hurtful. Best Regards Tulliana (talk) 21:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
archman.org uses cloudflare and many of the changes we made are not reflected in you. we just noticed it and cleared the cloudflare cache. The changes we made are now visible. regards —This unsigned comment is by Tulliana (talk) 06:00, 2 March 2020‎ (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
On main website: [23]
  • Under "Forum" in header remove links "Arch Wiki" and "pacman usage" - this are not your "forum" and don't belong to your project;
  • Remove "Archman.org is also the site of Turkish support for all distributions based on Arch Linux and Arch Linux". There is https://forum.archtr.org/ for that listed on International communities.
  • Remove "Archman Linux prepares and delivers the Arch Linux experience". It does not.
On [24] [25]. Instead of contributing to Turkish translation of ArchWiki your project chose to create unofficial guides that will get out of date quick(already did), are hard to see or find for other Turkish Arch Linux users, and come from derived distribution. Please add "unofficial" to your guide titles at very least, and change header link to it on Turkish frontpage as well to reflect that.
On [26] remove "Default Arch Linux.".
I remind you to read Arch Linux trademark policy at last, instead of making other people to do your homework for you. Assuming you did not know such document even existed in the first place, that is why you created your project with name specifically noted as problematic.
No excuses. No accusations. No explanations of why and when. You either read and understood the policy or you choose to refuse it and remain unlisted. This page only exists to reinforce that policy as stated in the intro. We have no resources to check everything and try every ISO and check every page of every project, so sometimes intentionally or unintentionally we turn an eye to small details.
-- Svito (talk) 16:02, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
On main website: [27]
  • There is no definition called Arch-Wiki on the homepage. There are Pacman Usage and Documentations buttons. Those buttons are links to our own forum. Are you sure you checked correctly?
  • I am part of the archtr.org team. They are my teammates. We also support Manjaro project together with them in Turkey. Now they are working hard in their own business. No time to take care of users. There is a site (archtr.org) that no longer works there. I continue to support Turkey's Arch users on archman.org. I still fulfilled your request. I edited that text
  • We removed the "Archman Linux prepares and delivers the Arch Linux experience" and changed the text
  • We added the statement that it is an unofficial document in Turkish and English. We have added to titles or readme files "[28] [29]"
  • https://sourceforge.net/projects/archman-os/ we also edited this link
  • I have read and understood the Arch Linux trademark policy. Some things have still escaped our attention, but they are not intentional. We apologize. We did not act wrong with the name of Archman. We emailed Aaron Griffin and got permission. You can ask him.
  • We will continue to review our Archman linux site and forums. We will continue to find and fix things that could be violated. We never want to have problems with you. Best Regards Tulliana (talk) 00:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Your lack of effort to learn few English words results in me wasting my time trying to choose words that will get correctly Google-translated. I'm not going to bother responding to this thread anymore. -- Svito (talk) 15:38, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for translation problems. My knowledge of English is good for my country but it may be insufficient for you. If there are problems, we will take action. I think I'm giving you trouble. We do not want to be referred to as a distribution that violates you. Thanks for your understanding. Tulliana (talk) 16:53, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
By the way, I do not understand why you are disturbed by the Arch installation documentation on Gitlab. Adding something to them does not need to be emphasized. There are Arch Linux installation documents in every language on the internet. Your documents are not bothersome or infringing. I think I have made my best efforts on these issues. We will not violate the Arch rules. That's all I'm talking about. What is spoken here is also enough for me. We understood your problem and we explained our problem. I wish you good work. Best Regards.. Tulliana (talk) 05:41, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Good enough. Added Archman back to the list. -- Svito (talk) 21:22, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Sourceforge

Wouldn't it make more sense to prefer Wikipedia links over SourceForge links if the intention is to avoid marketing these other distributions? SourceForge pages are managed by the distributions themselves and no one else. Wikipedia pages, like ArchWiki pages, are managed by neutral third parties as well as the distributions themselves. Moreover, Wikipedia provides information about the latest release of a distribution at the top of its page making maintenance easy. All-in-all, it seems that Wikipedia is *better* than SourceForge at addressing the points mentioned in [30].

I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that, unlike Wikipedia, SourceForge is a for-profit venture. They have done horrible things in the past like injecting adware into popular open-source projects like GIMP and Firefox [31]. While it appears they are under new management as of late last year, I still feel more comfortable linking users to websites which don't have a financial incentive to take advantage of them.

With that, I propose that we amend the preference for SourceForge links to a preference for Wikipedia links. Alternatively, I propose that we at least prefer Wikipedia links to SourceForge links to homepage links. Any objections? Amendments? Comments?

-- Cosmo (talk) 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Almost none of these have Wikipedia articles. --Larivact (talk) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
It is up for those projects to decide to use or not use SourceForge for hosting their files. We could have used regular website links if they weren't so filled with subjective opinions and catchphrases. -- Svito (talk) 23:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Update to ArchLabs Linux

This distribution is active, can we have it added to the list of active distros please.

Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchLabs

https://archlabslinux.com/

Dobbie03 (talk) 19:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Done. Thank you! -- Svito (talk) 13:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion to add Snal Linux to this page

Snal is an Arch based distro that started in November 2019.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/

Wakejagr (talk) 03:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Done. -- Svito (talk) 13:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Ninja OS has returned

version 0.12.0 release on Jan 18, 2020 https://ninjaos.org https://sourceforge.net/projects/ninjaos

GI Jack (talk) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for notification. -- Svito (talk) 13:17, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

EndeavourOS

Add EndeavourOS (a community successor to Antergos)
https://endeavouros.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EndeavourOS
StarterX4 (talk) 20:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Done. -- Svito (talk) 13:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC)